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Effluent Man 8th Apr 2022 10:53

Trucker on LBC phone in saying that according to the law they are not allowed to sit on the queue fir 21 hours due to driving hours regs.

ATNotts 8th Apr 2022 11:00


Originally Posted by Effluent Man (Post 11212439)
Trucker on LBC phone in saying that according to the law they are not allowed to sit on the queue fir 21 hours due to driving hours regs.

No officially they won't be allowed to as they will still be "driving" whilst sitting at the wheel. Even if they turn the engine (and therefore the tacho) off they won't in all probability be allowed to take a rest period as they may have to start up and move 15 metres forward before the mandatory rest time is reached.

How the regulators are policing the queue heaven alone knows. I imagine they are turning a blind eye except in extreme cases where driving hours regs have been flouted before the drivers hit the queue.

Bill16STN 8th Apr 2022 12:12

You don't need French Correspondents, just a quick visit to Google Maps with the trafic density selected is enough to confirm that the situation has nothing to do with either the lack of ferries or the weather; but there's something seems to be affecting one side of The Channel & not the other - can't quite put my finger on it though, maybe those uplands are just too darn sunny? ...
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ac90f67e58.jpg

Krystal n chips 12th Apr 2022 08:54

As with sitting in a queue admiring the panorama of Kent, and you can bet with the cost of living rises now hitting with a vengeance, many of those holidaying abroad will be quietly regretting their decision sitting in the queues, let alone the HGV drivers who, as EM says, are further constrained by driving regs, the many "benefits " of Brexit continue unabated.

Whether you like the stuff or not is irrelevant.

It's the waste and costs that are very relevant given a previously open export market no longer wants the products.

As no pigs are involved, and she's ostensibly busy in her second job, this is unlikely to trouble the vacuous Ms Truss.

Brexit: Tonnes of beetroot left to rot as EU firms look elsewhere - BBC News

Ninthace 14th Apr 2022 08:26

Remember when the question of EU subsidies to underdeveloped regions came up and the government said not to worry? Well the HMG just announced the cash allocated to Cornwall. It is half what they would have got from the EU. Cornwall had a majority in favour of Brexit. Is that irony or idiocy?

N707ZS 14th Apr 2022 08:36


Originally Posted by Bill16STN (Post 11212478)
You don't need French Correspondents, just a quick visit to Google Maps with the trafic density selected is enough to confirm that the situation has nothing to do with either the lack of ferries or the weather; but there's something seems to be affecting one side of The Channel & not the other - can't quite put my finger on it though, maybe those uplands are just too darn sunny? ...
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ac90f67e58.jpg

The map doesn't show the que of rubber boats waiting on the French side. Will the idea of flying them to Rwanda really put them off.

Ninthace 14th Apr 2022 09:26

The Rwanda project just supplies red meat to distract from Partygate. Not really a Brexit issue other than control of our borders was another of the broken promises.

Mr Mac 14th Apr 2022 11:15


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11215212)
Remember when the question of EU subsidies to underdeveloped regions came up and the government said not to worry? Well the HMG just announced the cash allocated to Cornwall. It is half what they would have got from the EU. Cornwall had a majority in favour of Brexit. Is that irony or idiocy?

Ninthace
I do not suppose Mr Farage will be heading for the West Country this summer after that becomes public knowledge ! It is really sad that outright lies seem to have caused such a split in UK society and indeed with our nearest neighbours.

Cheers
Mr Mac

ATNotts 14th Apr 2022 11:37


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11215212)
Remember when the question of EU subsidies to underdeveloped regions came up and the government said not to worry? Well the HMG just announced the cash allocated to Cornwall. It is half what they would have got from the EU. Cornwall had a majority in favour of Brexit. Is that irony or idiocy?

Many of us forecast just such an outcome.

The EU Regional Fund didn't play domestic UK politics in the way that Westminster does.

N707ZS 14th Apr 2022 13:14


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11215241)
The Rwanda project just supplies red meat to distract from Partygate. Not really a Brexit issue other than control of our borders was another of the broken promises.

In the North of England this is the main reason people voted for Brexit. I voted against.

Cornish Jack 14th Apr 2022 13:27

The Rwanda Project ... a fruitfol and joyous confirmation of the qualities, principles and humanity of the natural partnership of Cruella de Vil and the Lying Buffoon
There is a definite lack of suitable 'smileys'.

SWBKCB 14th Apr 2022 16:04


Originally Posted by N707ZS (Post 11215334)
In the North of England this is the main reason people voted for Brexit. I voted against.

Any evidence from this sweeping statement, or have you spoken to the same four blokes again?

Ninthace 14th Apr 2022 16:34


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11215403)
Any evidence from this sweeping statement, or have you spoken to the same four blokes again?

Taking the statistically insignificant of my local in Cumbria, this holds true, The immigrants in question, it transpired, were the precursors of the boat people. Pointing out that free movement within the EU only applied to citizens of the EU and, in particular, had nothing to do with the inhabitants of the Indian subcontinent carried no weight at all. They were voting Brexit to keep them out - we did not even have any in the village.

N707ZS 14th Apr 2022 17:15

Yes SWBKCB, unfortunately the same blokes are still shouting the same tune.

Mr Mac 14th Apr 2022 21:01

Unfortunately I concur with the thoughts of some other correspondents on here with regards to their thoughts of a certain section of some people on immigrants in northern UK I am sad to say. Unfortunately these people get a vote so hence we end up where we are re Brexit and indeed hanging if it were put to a referendum.

Cheers
Mr Mac

SWBKCB 15th Apr 2022 06:31


Originally Posted by Mr Mac (Post 11215536)
Unfortunately I concur with the thoughts of some other correspondents on here with regards to their thoughts of a certain section of some people on immigrants in northern UK I am sad to say. Unfortunately these people get a vote so hence we end up where we are re Brexit and indeed hanging if it were put to a referendum.

Cheers
Mr Mac

See alll the southerners are keeping quiet :ok:

I look forward to the day when only people who agree with you get a vote. It's easy to play the racist card, but that ignores the point that for large areas of industry, wages and working conditions have been kept down by freedom of movement from the EU - which was the point, and not to allow the comparitevly minor number of Jeremy's to go and work in the financial sector in Frankfurt

Effluent Man 15th Apr 2022 07:48


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11215643)
See alll the southerners are keeping quiet :ok:

I look forward to the day when only people who agree with you get a vote. It's easy to play the racist card, but that ignores the point that for large areas of industry, wages and working conditions have been kept down by freedom of movement from the EU - which was the point, and not to allow the comparitevly minor number of Jeremy's to go and work in the financial sector in Frankfurt

so exactly how has that cohort been helped? Their wages may have increased, but not as much as their petrol, food and energy costs. Afaics the poor have just got poorer since the famous party animal Mr Tubs de Pfeffel entered No10.

ATNotts 15th Apr 2022 10:15


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11215643)
See alll the southerners are keeping quiet :ok:

I look forward to the day when only people who agree with you get a vote. It's easy to play the racist card, but that ignores the point that for large areas of industry, wages and working conditions have been kept down by freedom of movement from the EU - which was the point, and not to allow the comparitevly minor number of Jeremy's to go and work in the financial sector in Frankfurt

I completely understand where you are coming from, but the sad reality of the "foreigners taking our jobs" argument is that, as people in these areas have discovered, the jobs on offer are ones they'd rather not take, as they are either too strenuous, or don't pay enough - on indeed both. It was yet another false premise of the Brexit campaign, and they are essentially still where they were pre Brexit - sitting their backsides waiting to be paid a kings ransom for doing a cushy job.

Furthermore I can assure you that my name isn't 'Jeremy', and I didn't work in finance, but I was able to take advantage of working in the EU, something that, whilst in post Brexit Britain may doing so may still be possible, like almost everything else, businesses would have to jump through many bureaucratic hoops that simply weren't there previously.

SWBKCB 15th Apr 2022 10:30


so exactly how has that cohort been helped? Their wages may have increased, but not as much as their petrol, food and energy costs. Afaics the poor have just got poorer since the famous party animal Mr Tubs de Pfeffel entered No10.
Hmm - referendum was in 2016? And the increases in petrol, food and energy costs are down to many other factors than Brexit

I didn't say anything about "foreigners taking our jobs", that's your interpretation. I was talking about wages and conditions.


but I was able to take advantage of working in the EU,
But the flow was heavily the other way - freedom of movement allowing cheap labour to flow where it was needed to keep costs down was a key driving force.

alfaman 15th Apr 2022 10:45


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11215744)
Hmm - referendum was in 2016? And the increases in petrol, food and energy costs are down to many other factors than Brexit

I didn't say anything about "foreigners taking our jobs", that's your interpretation. I was talking about wages and conditions.

But the flow was heavily the other way - freedom of movement allowing cheap labour to flow where it was needed to keep costs down was a key driving force.

As many have pointed out before - the referendum was in 2016, but we didn't leave the EU until 31st December 2020 - the period in between was the "phoney war" equivalent, where leavers could crow about how it wasn't as bad as predicted (note: still bad, just not as bad as predicted, & not the "sunlit uplands" promised). For example, Johnson could claim how "leaving enabled the vaccine because we'd left", which was clearly untrue.
The flow was both ways: it ebbed & flowed as it needed to, whereas now we see the reality, both of freedom of movement, & import/export barriers: the workers have mainly left, the vacancies have sky rocketed, but the locals don't or can't do the work required - so food rots in the fields, or in the trucks waiting at Dover.


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