Depends on your personal values, priorities, and overall moral compass doesn't it?

We're very fortunate over here in the UK in that we are, as a nation, relatively wealthy. We are also an Island, and a relatively small one at that, with an infrastructure that is basically creaking at the seams. Our roads are clogged, our trains are generally overcrowded and capacity on many key routes is at a premium.

We also have a very naturally diverse and, in many parts, a quite beautiful landscape that few other nations can match.

So it really comes down to whether you think we NEED these extra people sufficiently enough to warrant the overall drop in quality of life that results from cramming too many people into too little space? I happen to think not, many others disagree.

An innocuous example, but interesting nevertheless. I think the ones round our way are Iraqi's. I say think, because other than the "Boss" none of them speak English, so it's hard to tell. Who's exploiting who is the question I guess? I find it hard to believe many of these "workers" are here legally, and I expect many have been trafficked, probably have little or no financial backup and are probably involved in petty crime, you know harmless stuff like robbing purses from Grannies?

It just seems such an immoral and unjust situation for everyone really. And I see no genuine benefit for those of us that are already resident here, legally. Other than a clean car, of course :)

Oh lord, please don't tell me we now are playing competitive landscapes...

There is indeed some stunning scenery where I was brought up in the UK (Shropshire), there are also some jaw droppingly beautiful areas around where I live now in the Pyrenees, on an even larger scale the Grand Canyon could probably match pretty much anything on the planet..Can't we just this once accept and appreciate that there are amazing things to see and experience all around the world?

I think the data has well and truly been established about whop was training supporting UDA / UVF / LVF etc. If UK keeps a hold of its security services then those groups really have nowhere to go.

I agree. I am very bad at languages but I can speak a little. I think living in the country I might do better.

And when the go back home as many have down so then Who will stoke your economy ?

Well maybe if UK hadn't so willingly gone in, bombed and destroyed their country they wouldn't have had a reason to leave Iraq.

You have to blame Tony Blair and his American friend for that.

No argument from me on that point racedo 👍

That's a really good question, but not as fundamental as "do we need to stoke it"?

My view, the world is moving on, I think (hope) that more and more of the great unwashed are at least starting to question the lazy establishment narrative of the last 50 years, i.e. that consumption driven growth is both a necessity and a good thing.

My view is that sustainable growth should be the new mantra, but that means a mindset change on a whole host of issues, some of which would be very controversial obviously.

Was Boris formerly the head milk monitor then ?.......the sheer consummate dictatorial arrogance is a portent of things to come here in the UK....and so many are paranoid about Corbyn.

Also mentioned, a super wheeze to raise the State pension age to a sprightly 75 !...probably in the hope many won't live that long to claim it.....great way to save the nations economy, kill off the population


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-brexit-talks

Forgive me if this has been mentioned before, but was there a message in the name of Project Yellowhammer?

The bird is well known for its song that sounds like "a little bit of bread and no cheese".

Is that our expected diet after Brexit? :E

Probably, given the anti brexit tendency of our beloved CS.

But as we are leaving, no if's no but's, who cares? We'll get the last laugh now :)

I never said there was. I was just saying it as I saw it.

How do you define 'last' ?