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andrewn 19th Aug 2019 14:18


Originally Posted by SaulGoodman (Post 10549172)


the EU ďimmigrantsĒ are nett contributors. Is that such an issue?

Depends on your personal values, priorities, and overall moral compass doesn't it?

We're very fortunate over here in the UK in that we are, as a nation, relatively wealthy. We are also an Island, and a relatively small one at that, with an infrastructure that is basically creaking at the seams. Our roads are clogged, our trains are generally overcrowded and capacity on many key routes is at a premium.

We also have a very naturally diverse and, in many parts, a quite beautiful landscape that few other nations can match.

So it really comes down to whether you think we NEED these extra people sufficiently enough to warrant the overall drop in quality of life that results from cramming too many people into too little space? I happen to think not, many others disagree.

andrewn 19th Aug 2019 14:27


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10549187)
Ahhh but Andrew, my car has never been cleaner, does this mean all the ripped out jet washes will be reinstalled around the country?

An innocuous example, but interesting nevertheless. I think the ones round our way are Iraqi's. I say think, because other than the "Boss" none of them speak English, so it's hard to tell. Who's exploiting who is the question I guess? I find it hard to believe many of these "workers" are here legally, and I expect many have been trafficked, probably have little or no financial backup and are probably involved in petty crime, you know harmless stuff like robbing purses from Grannies?

It just seems such an immoral and unjust situation for everyone really. And I see no genuine benefit for those of us that are already resident here, legally. Other than a clean car, of course :)

yellowtriumph 19th Aug 2019 15:28


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10549187)
Ahhh but Andrew, my car has never been cleaner, does this mean all the ripped out jet washes will be reinstalled around the country?

My bold. Would you care to put ďcar washes people traffickingĒ into Google? Iím disappointed you seem to be so pleased about the situation.

wiggy 19th Aug 2019 15:55


.We also have a very naturally diverse and, in many parts, a quite beautiful landscape that few other nations can match.
Oh lord, please don't tell me we now are playing competitive landscapes...

There is indeed some stunning scenery where I was brought up in the UK (Shropshire), there are also some jaw droppingly beautiful areas around where I live now in the Pyrenees, on an even larger scale the Grand Canyon could probably match pretty much anything on the planet..Can't we just this once accept and appreciate that there are amazing things to see and experience all around the world?

racedo 19th Aug 2019 16:03


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10549168)
I think they probably fear, perhaps with justification, a terrorist uprising by the UDA or UVF, what whatever acronym protestant terrorists might come up with. The Irish Republic to a great extent didn't suffer the terrorism that Northern Ireland did during "the troubles" (the UK clearly doesn't have civil wars!), but the Protestants in Northern Ireland have been brought up on a diet of fear and hatred of Roman Catholics, and some would doubtless violently object to being absorbed into the Irish Republic. It must be remembered that it wasn't just the provisional IRA that murdered and maimed in Northern Ireland, and there are probably plenty of weapons still stashed away for use if required.

I think the data has well and truly been established about whop was training supporting UDA / UVF / LVF etc. If UK keeps a hold of its security services then those groups really have nowhere to go.

Pontius Navigator 19th Aug 2019 16:05


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10548884)
I suspect nearly as many who have made no efforts whatsoever to learn the language of their host country.
. . . In the UK such behaviour is unacceptable, but of course when it's Brits aboard . . .
It's this kind of attitude that thoroughly pees me off about the UK,

I agree. I am very bad at languages but I can speak a little. I think living in the country I might do better.

racedo 19th Aug 2019 16:06


Originally Posted by andrewn (Post 10549180)
That control was voluntarily ceded by first Blair and Brown and then just continued under Cameron and Osborne. It was a deliberate act to open the floodgates to all comers in order to stoke the economy. And it worked a treat, and we now have the lasting legacy of these gigantic logistics hubs the length and breadth of the country, all paying minimum wage and mostly employing dirt cheap imported labour. Whom all need somewhere to live, and then they have kids that need a school, then people get ill and need a Doctor. Then the locals decide "their" town no longer feels like it used to. Then Cameron let's us all decide whether we want to carry on as we are or not. We decide to course correct. End of, hopefully...

And when the go back home as many have down so then Who will stoke your economy ?

racedo 19th Aug 2019 16:08


Originally Posted by andrewn (Post 10549195)
An innocuous example, but interesting nevertheless. I think the ones round our way are Iraqi's. I say think, because other than the "Boss" none of them speak English, so it's hard to tell. Who's exploiting who is the question I guess? I find it hard to believe many of these "workers" are here legally, and I expect many have been trafficked, probably have little or no financial backup and are probably involved in petty crime, you know harmless stuff like robbing purses from Grannies?

It just seems such an immoral and unjust situation for everyone really. And I see no genuine benefit for those of us that are already resident here, legally. Other than a clean car, of course :)

Well maybe if UK hadn't so willingly gone in, bombed and destroyed their country they wouldn't have had a reason to leave Iraq.

rogerg 19th Aug 2019 16:14

You have to blame Tony Blair and his American friend for that.

andrewn 19th Aug 2019 16:42


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10549267)
Well maybe if UK hadn't so willingly gone in, bombed and destroyed their country they wouldn't have had a reason to leave Iraq.

No argument from me on that point racedo 👍

andrewn 19th Aug 2019 16:50


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10549265)
And when the go back home as many have down so then Who will stoke your economy ?

That's a really good question, but not as fundamental as "do we need to stoke it"?

My view, the world is moving on, I think (hope) that more and more of the great unwashed are at least starting to question the lazy establishment narrative of the last 50 years, i.e. that consumption driven growth is both a necessity and a good thing.

My view is that sustainable growth should be the new mantra, but that means a mindset change on a whole host of issues, some of which would be very controversial obviously.


Krystal n chips 19th Aug 2019 17:32

Was Boris formerly the head milk monitor then ?.......the sheer consummate dictatorial arrogance is a portent of things to come here in the UK....and so many are paranoid about Corbyn.

Also mentioned, a super wheeze to raise the State pension age to a sprightly 75 !...probably in the hope many won't live that long to claim it.....great way to save the nations economy, kill off the population


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-brexit-talks

Sallyann1234 19th Aug 2019 17:56

Forgive me if this has been mentioned before, but was there a message in the name of Project Yellowhammer?

The bird is well known for its song that sounds like "a little bit of bread and no cheese".

Is that our expected diet after Brexit? :E

andrewn 19th Aug 2019 18:11


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10549339)
Forgive me if this has been mentioned before, but was there a message in the name of Project Yellowhammer?

The bird is well known for its song that sounds like "a little bit of bread and no cheese".

Is that our expected diet after Brexit? :E

Probably, given the anti brexit tendency of our beloved CS.

But as we are leaving, no if's no but's, who cares? We'll get the last laugh now :)

SaulGoodman 19th Aug 2019 18:42

I donít see the connection between the EU and immigrants from Iraq who apparently rob old ladies.

andrewn 19th Aug 2019 18:49


Originally Posted by SaulGoodman (Post 10549365)
I donít see the connection between the EU and immigrants from Iraq who apparently rob old ladies.

I never said there was. I was just saying it as I saw it.

Jack D 19th Aug 2019 20:02


Originally Posted by SaulGoodman (Post 10549365)
I donít see the connection between the EU and immigrants from Iraq who apparently rob old ladies.

Then you donít see eye to eye with the Hungarian PM
.. or anyone who lives Malmo !

Sallyann1234 19th Aug 2019 20:49


Originally Posted by andrewn (Post 10549353)
Probably, given the anti brexit tendency of our beloved CS.

But as we are leaving, no if's no but's, who cares? We'll get the last laugh now :)

How do you define 'last' ?

NutLoose 19th Aug 2019 21:44


Originally Posted by yellowtriumph (Post 10549236)


My bold. Would you care to put “car washes people trafficking” into Google? I’m disappointed you seem to be so pleased about the situation.

Had a look, incidentally the staff at mine take turns working late on their own, which would seem at odds, as much as it is bad, trafficking is sadly becoming more prolific from restaurant workers through to sex workers, which in a way has probably been masked due to the EU migration laws and the increase of Europeans living and working in the UK that allows people that would have been noticed blending in.


NutLoose 19th Aug 2019 21:51


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10549267)
Well maybe if UK hadn't so willingly gone in, bombed and destroyed their country they wouldn't have had a reason to leave Iraq.

That was in my belief down to Iraq looking at selling oil in Euros, something the US couldn't simply print to pay for it. But we're drifting off subject.


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