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The 4% margin would have disappeared into thin air had those British citizens (and passport holders) been able to express their opinions but were unable to do so because of the 15 years+ absence law. Just sayin ...:ugh:
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Were a political party with some conviction and vision were to offer the public a series of solutions to apparently interminable problems (such as a more balanced and perhaps fairer economy, less stressed “communities”, a fair and believable immigration policy and positive trade and political relations with the EU), I think they could carry a lot of the electorate with them. And then the swivel-eyed loonies and faux peoples’ politicians would have to crawl back into their holes. Because they have absolutely nothing to offer in substance on the issues listed above. And I am sure people know that in their hearts. |
Unfortunately in politics, if you want to get votes it's no good just being right. You have to have something else to sell.
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Cornish Jack
Inveighing against pedants? You? Surely not! Alsacienne I was denied a vote in the referendum because of the 15+ year rule. I would have voted to leave and would still do so. |
Originally Posted by Bergerie1
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I am a remainer and happy to be so. While I recognise there are many things wrong with the EU, I think the evidence shows there are many more things wrong with Westminster and Boris and his followers. I can understand, but do not agree with, the desire to regain our independence - whatever that may mean, because we were always a sovereign nation even when within the EU.
What I find foolish beyond belief was, for mainly ideological reasons, to leave the single market, the customs union and, for aviation, EASA. I wonder how many Brexiteers are now having second thoughts. |
Originally Posted by Alsacienne
(Post 11144446)
The 4% margin would have disappeared into thin air had those British citizens (and passport holders) been able to express their opinions but were unable to do so because of the 15 years+ absence law. Just sayin ...:ugh:
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Originally Posted by B Fraser
(Post 11144482)
If you have chosen to live somewhere else for 15 years then you have clearly checked out. Do you think I should be able to vote on Scottish independence due to little else other than a birth certificate ?
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Originally Posted by B Fraser
(Post 11144482)
If you have chosen to live somewhere else for 15 years then you have clearly checked out. Do you think I should be able to vote on Scottish independence due to little else other than a birth certificate ?
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F.O.M ...millions have died to ensure this could be offered |
Originally Posted by BizJetJock
(Post 11144520)
What a lot of b******s. No war was fought over any such thing, in fact if anything the opposite. The right of people to stay in their country and not be carted off as as slaves.
If so, feel free to explain why the many and varied unpleasantries in Europe, lets just stick with, say, over a couple of centuries here, presumably occurred due to various nations involved wishing to fulfil your "criteria " Of course, eventually, when everybody became fed up with losing large chunks of their population, this was the result. Free movement of persons | Fact Sheets on the European Union | European Parliament (europa.eu) Thankfully, that little bastion of Imperial glory otherwise known as the UK, and, let's face it, we even got proper passports back now ! no longer has any concerns about this inconvenience |
The CPTPP that Britain is trying to join is an organisation of Pacific trading states. Britain is joining long after the establishment of this organisation and, as such, has had no input to the trading rules. This means that we will have to accept things as they are. That seems rather like being a rule taker when you are not a rule maker to me. Farmers seem less than impressed judging by contributions to Farming Today on R4 this week.
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Originally Posted by B Fraser
(Post 11144482)
If you have chosen to live somewhere else for 15 years then you have clearly checked out. Do you think I should be able to vote on Scottish independence due to little else other than a birth certificate ?
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If you have chosen to live somewhere else for 15 years then you have clearly checked out. |
Originally Posted by B Fraser
(Post 11144482)
If you have chosen to live somewhere else for 15 years then you have clearly checked out. Do you think I should be able to vote on Scottish independence due to little else other than a birth certificate ?
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Originally Posted by Avionker
(Post 11144731)
By extension of that "logic" surely EU citizens who had settled in the UK, for say 5 years prior to the referendum, should have been able to vote also? After all they had clearly checked in.
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As has been mentioned before, this Gov't, and Boris, are indebted to Brexit ..
Martin Rowson on David Frost’s threats to trigger article 16 — cartoon | Opinion | The Guardian |
KnC
is that your attempt at revisionist history then ?. Are you seriously suggesting that the Poles, Czechs, French and Russians fought in WW2 because they had a desire to be able to go and become plumbers in the UK? Or perhaps you are referring to the Germans who were quite successful at transporting people to work elsewhere within the "lebensraum", but not usually with their consent. Other wars are available for similar examination. |
Originally Posted by BizJetJock
(Post 11144520)
What a lot of b******s. No war was fought over any such thing, in fact if anything the opposite. The right of people to stay in their country and not be carted off as as slaves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...icts_in_Europe |
Originally Posted by BizJetJock
(Post 11144838)
KnC
????? I really think you need to be careful which pills you take. Are you seriously suggesting that the Poles, Czechs, French and Russians fought in WW2 because they had a desire to be able to go and become plumbers in the UK? Or perhaps you are referring to the Germans who were quite successful at transporting people to work elsewhere within the "lebensraum", but not usually with their consent. Other wars are available for similar examination. And thanks also for reverting to the usual JB default regarding Germany. However, since you've mentioned various other nations, you seem to have ignored the fact they all enjoy FOM within the EU. Try and identify the one nation that no longer enjoys this freedom. |
Ninthace, I agree. I was not trying to suggest that collecting slaves was a primary cause of wars, I was just objecting to KnC's absurd suggestion that any had been fought to establish the EU's Freedom of movement. The concept did not even exist at the time of the last European disagreement.
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