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Krystal n chips 25th Jun 2021 06:33


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11067806)
Fareastdriver is absolutely correct. These terrified refugees are clearly fleeing the oppressive regime in the European Union in the desperate hope of finding a place of safety and hope in the UK. What other explanation can there possibly be? :rolleyes: Certainly there are non who attempt the dangerous crossing of the Channel in an Easterly direction! 🙄 It’s not even as though there’s a shortage of empty boats on the beaches around Dover! 😀

Relax,

The charmless Ms Patel is committed to destroying the UK's former reputation as a sanctuary and safe haven for people who are being oppressed or subjected to genocide. "Taking back control !" what !.

Great amazed and confused perceptions of our time, c/o Lord Frost. But hey, that's the EU all over. Spoilsports and bounders not playing to the UK's idea of the rules. Strangely, he forgets to conveniently mention the UK has happily made up the rules itself to suit itself.

Leave campaigners ‘surprised’ by decay in relations with EU, says David Frost | Brexit | The Guardian

goofer3 25th Jun 2021 06:55

So France, Italy, Spain etc are not places of sanctuary and a safe haven for people who are being oppressed or subjected to genocide? As for Priti Patel it seems to be all talk and no action.

Krystal n chips 25th Jun 2021 07:10


Originally Posted by goofer3 (Post 11067919)
So France, Italy, Spain etc are not places of sanctuary and a safe haven for people who are being oppressed or subjected to genocide? As for Priti Patel it seems to be all talk and no action.

I never suggested the countries you mention weren't.

goofer3 25th Jun 2021 07:33

So why are people travel through these safe countries without registering, and then enter this country illegally with what seems the full blessing of the Government as they are doing nothing to stop it. I can think of better ways for my taxes to be spent than on illegal activity. You can bet the people organising this are living a far better lifestyle than you or I. If they want to come in do it by the proper channels, not the English Channel.

edi_local 25th Jun 2021 07:50


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11063901)
Anybody else enjoying GB News?

Andrew Neil is probably the best British broadcaster of this generation. Name someone better.

So good he's decided to step aside from his project already "for a few weeks" after giving what could also be seen as a farewell speech.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/...-neil-24394312


edi_local 25th Jun 2021 07:59


Originally Posted by goofer3 (Post 11067919)
So France, Italy, Spain etc are not places of sanctuary and a safe haven for people who are being oppressed or subjected to genocide? As for Priti Patel it seems to be all talk and no action.

Priti Patel would rather deport someone who has lived here quite hapilly for a few decades and failed to complete an online form than actually tackle illegal immigration. Of course she also can't really stop anyone coming in "illegally" as the UK is still part of various international agreements to support asylum seekers etc, etc. So instead she gets her smug face in the papers by making sure people who are trying to come here legally or are here legally, suffer. You wanted tougher borders, well now everyone needs to jump through hoops to get a visa and EU citizens are being threatened with deportation or barred from coming In altogether.

​​​​​​The cross channel people smugglers haven't been dented one bit because all the focus has now shifted to the legal border crossings making sure those Dutch tourists don't stay too long or that Italian au pair really is only coming to work 25 hours a week. It's what the country voted for, apparently.

SaulGoodman 25th Jun 2021 08:04


Originally Posted by goofer3 (Post 11067941)
So why are people travel through these safe countries without registering, and then enter this country illegally with what seems the full blessing of the Government as they are doing nothing to stop it. I can think of better ways for my taxes to be spent than on illegal activity. You can bet the people organising this are living a far better lifestyle than you or I. If they want to come in do it by the proper channels, not the English Channel.

They ALL go to the UK!?? There are absolutely no refugees / illegal immigrants in Italy, France, Germany, Greece, Netherlands, Sweden or any other EU members! Oh and the very few that they might have are ALL on their way to the UK. Because the UK is the only developed country that is soooooo nice that it can be a safe haven…

Many EU countries take more refugees per capita than the UK does! You are also forgetting that by far most refugees are being taken by neighboring countries.

One of the main reasons why illegal immigrants tend to go to the UK is that it is relatively easy to live unnoticed in illegality compared to most EU countries. And they might already speak the lingo. As the UK already controlled their borders pre brexit I wonder how much extra control they took “back” now.







Krystal n chips 25th Jun 2021 08:07


Originally Posted by goofer3 (Post 11067941)
So why are people travel through these safe countries without registering, and then enter this country illegally with what seems the full blessing of the Government as they are doing nothing to stop it. I can think of better ways for my taxes to be spent than on illegal activity. You can bet the people organising this are living a far better lifestyle than you or I. If they want to come in do it by the proper channels, not the English Channel.

This lady explains matters with more than enough clarity.

Obviously, her reasoned and factual explanation won't meet with the preferred, by some, JB narrative.

Why are migrants coming to the UK? | Green World

4468 25th Jun 2021 08:29

What that report spells out quite clearly is that France is not a place of safety for either those who seek asylum, nor economic migrants. But then presumably neither were any of the other European countries, many will have travelled through in order to cross the channel and reach what they believe is their best chance of safety and relative prosperity.

One is forced to presume that across the globe, the UK alone is seen as a beacon of fairness and racial harmony. Though those who enjoy pulling this country down, simply can’t stomach that thought!

Torquetalk 25th Jun 2021 08:35


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11067972)
What that report spells out quite clearly is that France is not a place of safety for either those who seek asylum, nor economic migrants. But then presumably neither were any of the other European countries, many will have travelled through in order to cross the channel and reach what they believe is their best chance of safety and relative prosperity.

One is forced to presume that across the globe, the UK alone is seen as a beacon of fairness and racial harmony. Though those who enjoy pulling this country down, simply can’t stomach that thought!

oh do get down off that high horse and climb back on the pony of your understanding. A spell in a migrant detention centre would do you the world of good.

ATNotts 25th Jun 2021 08:40


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11067972)
What that report spells out quite clearly is that France is not a place of safety for either those who seek asylum, nor economic migrants. But then presumably neither were any of the other European countries, many will have travelled through in order to cross the channel and reach what they believe is their best chance of safety and relative prosperity.

One is forced to presume that across the globe, the UK alone is seen as a beacon of fairness and racial harmony. Though those who enjoy pulling this country down, simply can’t stomach that thought!

Please, first read @SaulGoodman's excellent piece above which puts the migrant issue into a little perspective, and second get that enormous great "little englander" chip off your shoulder.

LowNSlow 25th Jun 2021 08:41

Torquetalk, did you read the article? Here's a quote to save you the bother of opening it:


While many refugees do indeed find sanctuary in France, the reality is that not all of them are able to find protection there. NGOs such as Human Rights Watch have condemned the French authorities repeatedly for many years for failing to provide adequate shelter and support to asylum seekers and for extreme police brutality against migrants sleeping rough or in makeshift tent settlements.

In July of this year, the situation had got so bad that the European Court of Human Rights found that France was violating migrants’ human right to protection from inhuman and degrading treatment. The Court found that even where asylum seekers had formally lodged applications with the French authorities, they were in many cases being left destitute, without shelter, food or protection from being targeted by predatory criminal gangs and traffickers.

Krystal n chips 25th Jun 2021 08:43


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11067972)
What that report spells out quite clearly is that France is not a place of safety for either those who seek asylum, nor economic migrants. But then presumably neither were any of the other European countries, many will have travelled through in order to cross the channel and reach what they believe is their best chance of safety and relative prosperity.

One is forced to presume that across the globe, the UK alone is seen as a beacon of fairness and racial harmony. Though those who enjoy pulling this country down, simply can’t stomach that thought!

That's a near perfect summary of the current UK Gov't and their policies.

goofer3 25th Jun 2021 08:44

Dress it up as you like, but it is still illegal activity that we have to pay for. The government speak fine words, and do nothing to discourage it whilst we have people going to food banks etc, yet they get free board and lodgings having contributed nothing. If France etc think they are taking in too many then it is up to them to control it from their end. Some of them are filming themselves coming across the channel and posting on social media. What does Priti do? She serves court orders on the tax payers on the south coast filming them coming in to try and hide her failings.
One thing we do agree on, we disagree.:ok:

edi_local 25th Jun 2021 09:15


Originally Posted by goofer3 (Post 11067984)
Dress it up as you like, but it is still illegal activity that we have to pay for. The government speak fine words, and do nothing to discourage it whilst we have people going to food banks etc, yet they get free board and lodgings having contributed nothing. If France etc think they are taking in too many then it is up to them to control it from their end. Some of them are filming themselves coming across the channel and posting on social media. What does Priti do? She serves court orders on the tax payers on the south coast filming them coming in to try and hide her failings.
One thing we do agree on, we disagree.:ok:

But the UK isn't in a position to just turn them away, we have obligations, as a UN signatory to various conventions. If people come here seeking asylum by whatever means they arrived the UK has to process that claim. We can't deport people back to a country where they don't have any legal right to be, that other country can refuse as well. If they arrive here and say they are in danger if they return to their home nation then investigations take place and if bogus, they are deported, if genuine then they get asylum and can then work. Spending tax money on supporting such people is a fact of living in a modern, developed country. We don't have food banks because of refugees and even without refugees we would still have food banks because so many fully fledged citizens of this country are on the breadline. Kicking people out does absolutely nothing to stop that. Passing laws on mandatory living wages, creating a proper social security network and not throwing money away on Royal yachts would do more to erase foodbank dependency than stopping some asylum seekers.

You may not like it but that's the way it is. Throwing away our membership of the EU has only made it harder for the UK to cooperate with France or Belgium or any other EU member state in stemming the flow of people. There was never any chance whatsoever that brexit would stop anyone from crossing in to the UK "illegally". If anything we will see increased illegal immigration as France etc are now under no obligation to assist the UK at all. But this is what the UK voted for. If you expect the government to do anything then they can't. The UK isn't in a position to just unilaterally decide how it treats refugees and asylum seekers. There are laws we agreed to and we must follow them.

All brexit does is make it harder for people who want to come here legitimately which will lead to an increase in illegal migration.

Cornish Jack 25th Jun 2021 09:51

Reassuring to note the priorities of some to focus on the the cost increases of blathering on mobile gossip boxes as against the probable scarcity of household supplies. :rolleyes:

LowNSlow 25th Jun 2021 10:04

edi_local, while I agree with the substance of your first paragraph I would like to point out that not all agreements need to be via the EU as this agreement with France demonstrates.

Torquetalk 25th Jun 2021 11:11


Originally Posted by LowNSlow (Post 11067978)
Torquetalk, did you read the article? Here's a quote to save you the bother of opening it:

How thoughtful. But do you suppose there is something in there that I don’t know? Or that anybody with half an ear to what has been going on for more than twenty years doesn’t?

The Red Cross Sangatte assistance centre was closed down more than twenty years ago due to political pressure from the outrage mob, who claimed it was a magnet for illegal migration. Well that was really well thought through, wasn’t it? The depravities of The Jungle and the treatment of migrants were not helped one jot by that reactionary response.

People are prepared to risk their lives, spend their life savings and endure all manner of indignities to migrate. Policy has to begin from that realisation. Deterrence through brutalisation is only topped in the stupidity of its ineffectiveness by its manifest cruelty and ignorance. And Jingoistic claims that the UK is a beacon of social justice display ignorance and a scant regard for fellow man.

papajuliet 25th Jun 2021 11:24

It's quite clear that some people here are happy to see their country invaded.

Torquetalk 25th Jun 2021 11:39


Originally Posted by papajuliet (Post 11068094)
It's quite clear that some people here are happy to see their country invaded.

Do grow up. Or move to Hungary, which has more a migrant hostile policy which may please your outlook.


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