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yellowtriumph 15th Aug 2019 23:35


Originally Posted by Effluent Man (Post 10546289)
And furthermore...Mostafa is 63. His eighteenth birthday therefore was by my calculation some time in late '73 - '74. A point where The Troubles were at their height. As we did not have conscription I can only therefore deduce that he joined up in the full knowledge, and possibly hope? That he would go to fight against the Provos and INLA. I find it a little ironic that at this late stage he is complaining about being shot at after willingly placing himself at the centre of a shooting war. I was training as a teacher at that time, I wonder why he chose to shoot people whilst I chose to educate them?

This is just so offensive that I hope Mostafa doesnít grace it with a reply.

Krystal n chips 16th Aug 2019 04:41


Originally Posted by MOSTAFA (Post 10546014)



Maybe thatís because I was one of those Paratroopers whose ass got shot at twice a week by murdering filth. You and your liberal left wing tosh have absolutely no idea about what happened in the early seventies and reading the analytical shite you are spouting just about sums up precisely why we are were we are.

I was on the boat to South Armagh on my 18th birthday because of those murdering barstewards.





Actually, I have a very good idea as to what was happening in the 70's because I was in the RAF at the time . In later life, I worked there for several months and, as I've said before, met some "interesting " people during that period. Nobody had any "rose tinted " sentiments, about this era and the return to peace was welcomed. The words of a song I'm sure you know well come to mind "another bloody chapter, in an endless civil war "... which.started around 1600 I believe

Given the complexities of the politics, I think it's safe to say these won't ever see the public domain in respect of this era

As EM says, you joined a Regiment voluntarily during the more intense period of carnage. When anybody joins the military, they do so by choosing an occupation that holds the greatest appeal for them. Remind us please, as to the ethos, history and purpose of this Regiment .

" Op Banner " was commemorated on Wednesday, ironically the weather was heavy rain and winds. We were at the National Arboretum on Tuesday. This was my first visit and I make no secret of the fact I found it very emotional. To save any confusion, it's the military culture and gross mis-management I detest, NOT what the military are required for in defence of the UK.

Personally, I would like to see every politician be made to walk around the site, preferably in appalling weather, then answer one question "Happy now ? "

The question is therefore, do you really want to keep the stonemasons gainfully employed ?............because frankly I, and countless others, don't.

Here's a BBC article which is self explanatory .......
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49348633

Brexit, or rather the ramifications of Brexit on N I offers, as many have said, the opportunity for the extremists to have a resurgence

However, this time their intent may be negated by a generation who have no interest in being killed and maimed just to appease the murderous inclinations of those responsible for the violence.....Brexit, and how the UK leaves the EU is fundamental towards the future of N.I which has long been evident.....other than to some Westminster politicians that is.....and a few contributors on here.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...political-fate

Effluent Man 16th Aug 2019 05:06

I very much doubt that Mostafa will come up with a response, but I would sagged that it is more likely to be that he cannot come up with a credible one as much as anything. The New IRA is comprised of folk exactly like himself, driven by exactly the same motives. You cannot resort to patriotism without acknowledging the right of others to adopt it from their own perspective. Put an assault rifle in the hands of an eighteen year old Fenian and tell him that those men in khaki are murdering scum and there you go, play him a couple of verses of "Come out you Black and Tans" and you have a full blown shooting war.

It sums up the situation quite well when people say that they cannot see the connection between Brexit and the GFA. It's a lot clearer than say for example the assassination of an arch duke in Sarajevo and the resulting brouhaha that led to several million deaths, but it happened.

visibility3miles 16th Aug 2019 05:28

Joke or not?

AP sources: Trump has talked about buying Greenland for US

August 15, 2019, 9:45 PMWASHINGTON (AP) — Aiming to put his mark on the world map, President Donald Trump has talked to aides and allies about buying Greenland for the U.S.

A Trump ally told The Associated Press on Thursday that the president had discussed the purchase but was not serious about it. And a Republican congressional aide said Trump brought up the notion of purchasing Greenland in conversations with lawmakers enough times to make them wonder, but they have not taken his comments seriously. Both spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations.

Grayfly 16th Aug 2019 07:15

It's because he thinks it is where Father Christmas makes toys for the Chinese market.

KelvinD 16th Aug 2019 07:18

I have just listened to an item on the BBC concerning the potential for the sky falling in if the UK pulls out of the CFP. They used the UK's largest trawler as a clear example of the doom and gloom that would arise if this boat was no longer able to fish for cod in Norwegian waters. The vessel concerned is Kirkella, a big boat in terms of trawlers at 1,500 dwt and is flagged in the UK. What the article failed to mention was the ownership of the trawler: Owner Kirkella Ltd, c/o Deutsche Fischfang-Union, Cuxhaven, Germany.
However, the company, Kirkella Ltd is also registered in the UK at an address in Hessle (Hull) and of the 5 Directors, 1 is British, 2 are Dutch and 2 are Icelandic. So, how British is this boat?

MOSTAFA 16th Aug 2019 07:32

As usual more utter tripe - you were there at the time? Where? in sunny Aldergrove, surrounded by Protestant Antrim, I suspect, sitting in a purpose built RAF camp where the closest you came to the IRA was to watch the TV. You have no idea, as do the people who reported on the war that really happened. As for EM doubting Iíll respond, another in cloud cuckoo land. Then you quote an Harvey Andrewes song, incidentally banned by the BBC, or better still just the line, that suits you liberal views! Why not quote the last line or doesnít that fit into your fluffy world. Brexit and the backstop has sweet FA to another another hard border. You first have to understand exactly why we put up towers to observe the border crossings in south Armagh but letís not let the truth get in the way of another good liberal remoaner groan.




Incidentally why do you think we only covered that very small part of the Northern Ireland border with towers?


Exrigger 16th Aug 2019 07:50

More about CFP:

https://britishseafishing.co.uk/brex...ins-fisheries/


ShotOne 16th Aug 2019 08:17

Sallyann, Nancy Pelosi would oppose anything if Trump wanted it. And the Irish parliament have a thousand reasons to fear Brexit particularly without a deal and welcome a stitch-up that keeps their largest market attached whether they like it or not.

Exrigger 16th Aug 2019 08:28

Ireland's trade figures:

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/irl/

Sallyann1234 16th Aug 2019 08:41


Originally Posted by ShotOne (Post 10546537)
Sallyann, Nancy Pelosi would oppose anything if Trump wanted it. And the Irish parliament have a thousand reasons to fear Brexit particularly without a deal and welcome a stitch-up that keeps their largest market attached whether they like it or not.

Which stitch-up would that be?

back to Boeing 16th Aug 2019 08:42


Originally Posted by ShotOne (Post 10546537)
Sallyann, Nancy Pelosi would oppose anything if Trump wanted it. And the Irish parliament have a thousand reasons to fear Brexit particularly without a deal and welcome a stitch-up that keeps their largest market attached whether they like it or not.

That doesnít change the fact that any trade deal would have to go through the house and if pelosi opposes it, that would make that exercise particularly difficult.

wiggy 16th Aug 2019 09:48


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10546552)
Which stitch-up would that be?

You name it, it will be one..

Certainly in the context of the EU27 if they do anything at all from now on to protect the interests of one of it's own members some here will insist it's a "stitch-up".

racedo 16th Aug 2019 11:07


Originally Posted by ShotOne (Post 10546537)
Sallyann, Nancy Pelosi would oppose anything if Trump wanted it. And the Irish parliament have a thousand reasons to fear Brexit particularly without a deal and welcome a stitch-up that keeps their largest market attached whether they like it or not.

Nope

It wasn't Pelosi who was first indicating what would happen if Brexit caused issues to GFA. It was the cross party Irish Caucus which is made up of Democrats and Republicans in Congress. This is only the elected ones in both houses of Congress but there will be lots of others including State senators and Govenors who will echo this and make their feelings known to the people in congress.

People only have to remark that Steele dossier was supplied by a member (former ?) of UK intelligence services to influence Presidential election to get people annoyed in the US.

racedo 16th Aug 2019 11:10


Originally Posted by back to Boeing (Post 10546554)


That doesnít change the fact that any trade deal would have to go through the house and if pelosi opposes it, that would make that exercise particularly difficult.

It has to through Ways and Means committee before even it gets to the floor of the house. Have you checked who is head of the Ways and Means committee ? Oh wait it is the guy who said 2 months ago that any damage to GFA and a trade deal will spent the next decade in committee.

Exrigger 16th Aug 2019 11:20

Across the media people talk as if we do not trade with the USA yet and need a deal to replace all the trade that will stop between the EU countries and UK, another fallacy, according to trading sites the UK already trades with the USA, and quite substantially, is this just some being disingenuous:

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/e...united-kingdom

racedo 16th Aug 2019 11:34


Originally Posted by Exrigger (Post 10546542)

UK has a trade surplus of $2.3 billion that in all likelihood would cease.

Irish economy would be hammered but people are already expecting that and have been for 3 years, they will however be getting lots of EU support plus there will be lots of trade that EU will pressure importers to source from Ireland rather than UK.

Question is where would UK exports go ?

racedo 16th Aug 2019 11:37


Originally Posted by Exrigger (Post 10546679)
Across the media people talk as if we do not trade with the USA yet and need a deal to replace all the trade that will stop between the EU countries and UK, another fallacy, according to trading sites the UK already trades with the USA, and quite substantially, is this just some being disingenuous:

https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/e...united-kingdom

US/UK trade deal means that US will be getting what they want as UK needs it.

The Nip 16th Aug 2019 11:44


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10546690)
UK has a trade surplus of $2.3 billion that in all likelihood would cease.

Irish economy would be hammered but people are already expecting that and have been for 3 years, they will however be getting lots of EU support plus there will be lots of trade that EU will pressure importers to source from Ireland rather than UK.

Question is where would UK exports go ?

Latest economic figures,

Update on latest G7 GDP growth. A public service provided esp. for the elucidation of "Giles of the FT". % change in GDP from Q2 2018 to Q2 2019:

US 2.3

France 1.3

Canada 1.3 Q1

UK 1.2

Japan 1.2

Eurozone 1.1

Germany 0.4

Italy 0.0

If you really think the Eurozone is going to be able to fund Ireland, you may be mistaken.
So despite BREXIT, the UK is still doing well. The Eurozone figure is an average.

Exrigger 16th Aug 2019 11:52


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10546694)
US/UK trade deal means that US will be getting what they want as UK needs it.

So what you appear to be implying is a USA/UK trade deal will be for products and services that we will no longer get from the EU, and that we do not currently trade with the USA for?


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