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4468 24th Mar 2021 16:03


"I’ll tell you honestly that many times, even we struggle to understand some of the behavior on the other side of the Channel,"
Ain’t that the truth!

ATNotts 24th Mar 2021 17:49


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11015517)
Ain’t that the truth!

I, like Sassoli, struggle to understand the behaviour on on this side of the channel too!

4468 24th Mar 2021 19:30

So, in this evening’s news.

It seems the UK government, having done absolutely nothing wrong, is now offering to ride to the assistance of the beleaguered citizens of the EU to rescue them from the fourth rate ‘politicians’ overseeing their vaccination ‘program’.

What a sad irony it would be were the UK’s gift to languish unused in European warehouses, due to the propaganda war mounted by Macron et al on Astra-Zeneca!

Of course we expected to support a vaccination program in the third world. I suppose supporting the program in the EU may have come as a bit of a surprise? Still. Nobody’s safe until we’re all safe. Needs must!

I do hope the Commission are able to express their gratitude.

B Fraser 25th Mar 2021 07:26

The EU have started raiding pharma companies, sending in the Italian carabinieri to investigate an AstraZeneca factory. The found 29 million doses of vaccine, destined for .............. Belgium.

Keep up the good work.

EU sends Italian police to find AstraZeneca vaccines, triggering global angst – POLITICO

4468 25th Mar 2021 10:04

Absolutely hilarious. Did somebody mention the Keystone Cops?

So 27 million doses of AstraZeneca for the EU, currently sitting in a distribution centre.


An EU official said the active ingredient for a large portion of the doses probably comes from AstraZeneca’s Halix plant in the Netherlands. However, the European Medicines Agency still needs to approve that factory before its vaccines can be distributed within the bloc.
Meanwhile.


Beyond securing Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine doses, companies are getting concerned about the impact that the EU’s planned export restrictions could have on raw materials, which criss-cross in and out of the bloc.
All this against the background of a developing ‘third wave’ and further lockdowns. What an almighty mess!

Shall we be charitable and simply all agree to say this is not the EU’s finest hour? 🙄

I highly recommend last night’s Newsnight piece on vaccine delivery. It’s on BBC IPlayer.

SaulGoodman 25th Mar 2021 15:09


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11015948)
Absolutely hilarious. Did somebody mention the Keystone Cops?

So 27 million doses of AstraZeneca for the EU, currently sitting in a distribution centre.



Meanwhile.



All this against the background of a developing ‘third wave’ and further lockdowns. What an almighty mess!

Shall we be charitable and simply all agree to say this is not the EU’s finest hour? 🙄

I highly recommend last night’s Newsnight piece on vaccine delivery. It’s on BBC IPlayer.

that is one explanation.

the other is that these 27 million vaccines are destined for export via the Belgium plant. More AZ vaccines that are made in the EU are exported outside the EU than used within.

millions of EU produced vaccines have been used in the UK. Zero UK produced vaccines have been used in the EU.

https://fullfact.org/online/vaccine-export-eu/




4468 25th Mar 2021 15:25

As I said in my post.


I highly recommend last night’s Newsnight piece on vaccine delivery. It’s on BBC IPlayer.
I certainly learned a lot. Particularly from Mark Urban’s piece. You might learn something too!

The UK doesn’t ‘export’ vaccines and neither does the EU. Pharma companies do that in accordance with their contractual obligations. As I understand it, all pharma companies have failed to deliver their promises to all their customers. Such is the difficulty in upscaling vaccine production.

The UK has also suffered a shortfall, even from it’s AstraZeneca contract!

HMG has no export ban on covid vaccine. The EU is in the process of putting a mechanism for just such a ban in place. A very dumb move from fourth rate politicians, some of whom have invested considerable time and energy in rubbishing the AstraZeneca jab. To the extent that many in Europe are now reluctant to receive it.

Which presumably is just one of the reasons why there are millions of AZ vaccine doses languishing in warehouses in the EU, rather than in their citizen’s arms.

SaulGoodman 25th Mar 2021 17:22


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11016193)
As I said in my post.



I certainly learned a lot. Particularly from Mark Urban’s piece. You might learn something too!

The UK doesn’t ‘export’ vaccines and neither does the EU. Pharma companies do that in accordance with their contractual obligations. As I understand it, all pharma companies have failed to deliver their promises to all their customers. Such is the difficulty in upscaling vaccine production.

The UK has also suffered a shortfall, even from it’s AstraZeneca contract!

HMG has no export ban on covid vaccine. The EU is in the process of putting a mechanism for just such a ban in place. A very dumb move from fourth rate politicians, some of whom have invested considerable time and energy in rubbishing the AstraZeneca jab. To the extent that many in Europe are now reluctant to receive it.

Which presumably is just one of the reasons why there are millions of AZ vaccine doses languishing in warehouses in the EU, rather than in their citizen’s arms.

The EU also has no ban on Vaccine exports: EU members could deny vaccine export requests only if they deemed a company to be in violation of its contractual obligations, as is AZ. BioNTech vaccines are not affected as that company respects its contract.

But 4468. You scream a lot. But you say very little.

4468 25th Mar 2021 17:51


But 4468. You scream a lot. But you say very little.
😂🤣😂

More ad hominem. So far, so usual!

It seems to be the EU doing all the ‘screaming’ at the moment!

🙄

KyleRB 25th Mar 2021 18:29

Having watched Newsnight it seems that AZ hasn’t even fulfilled its UK contract but this appears to have been missed by the EU in their preoccupation with blaming someone for their shambolic vaccine rollout. I also had no idea that Pfizer failed to meet their contractual obligations initially although that now appears to be rectified. Everyone knows that Pfizer is a bigger pharmaceutical company with much more expertise on vaccines and upscaling production and AZ is a novice in comparison.

I’m quite pro European but it feels like AZ is getting a kicking because it’s partly British!

ORAC 25th Mar 2021 18:30


BioNTech vaccines are not affected as that company respects its contract.

30% shortfall on their EU contract - at the same time they claim to be meeting all contractual deliveries to the UK....

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2AH1E3

Exclusive: Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine supply to the EU about 10 million doses short of plan -sources

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Pfizer Inc has not yet delivered to the European Union about 10 million COVID-19 vaccine doses that were due in December, EU officials said, leaving it about one-third short of the supply it had expected from the U.S. drugmaker.

The shortfall is another blow to the EU, which has also been hit by delays in vaccine deliveries from Britain-based AstraZeneca Plc and U.S. biotech Moderna Inc. It had also faced earlier delays with the shot from Pfizer.

The situation raises questions about the rationale of an EU vaccine export control scheme set up in late January to ensure timely deliveries that has not yet been activated, despite the supply shortfalls.

This week, Pfizer delivered to the EU 4.8 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine it developed with German partner BioNTech, according to an EU official who is directly involved in talks with the U.S. company.

That takes the total to about 28 million doses of the two-shot vaccine, one of the EU officials and a source familiar with the matter said.

That is still about 10 million doses less than Pfizer had promised to supply since the rollout began late last year, the EU official said......

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-h...-idUSKBN2B92V1

Pfizer says it is on course to deliver UK COVID vaccine supplies



esa-aardvark 25th Mar 2021 18:39

I realise that truth is the first casualty of (vaccine) war.

alicopter 25th Mar 2021 18:59


Originally Posted by esa-aardvark (Post 11016295)
I realise that truth is the first casualty of (vaccine) war.

Especialy when you listen to French and German Medias as I do every day, compared with English ones of course!!!....All to do with "Greed and Capitalism" it seems, and I am not the only one to think so!!!.... "Bojo the Clown" agrees with me for once!
Sounds like the French are working hard and close to finding a cure to Covid, so hopefuly, it will help the vaccines and their variable efficiency against the coming variants....

4468 25th Mar 2021 19:24


All to do with "Greed and Capitalism" it seems
Quite right. Just look at how much all those ‘greedy’ pharma companies like Pfizer-Biontec are charging for their vaccines. Whilst that nasty British/Swedish AstraZeneca company just charge cost price! 🤔 (Pennies in comparison!)

Maybe that’s why it’s so ‘popular’? 🥶

I’m glad somebody else took the time to watch Newsnight.

Denti 25th Mar 2021 21:23


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11016325)
Quite right. Just look at how much all those ‘greedy’ pharma companies like Pfizer-Biontec are charging for their vaccines. Whilst that nasty British/Swedish AstraZeneca company just charge cost price! 🤔 (Pennies in comparison!)

Maybe that’s why it’s so ‘popular’? 🥶

I’m glad somebody else took the time to watch Newsnight.

Yes, i wonder about that. At cost price for the UK is seven times higher than for the EU, and to South Africa was 10 times higher than for the UK. "At cost" seems to vary a lot now, does it? Even coming from the very same production facilities. It is always nice claiming one is selling at cost, but the reality is quite often very much different from those claims. Now, BioNTech and Pfizer never promised at cost, although the first 100 million doses to the EU are actually just that, in return for financing development and production upscaling, including a new lipid factory having started production a few weeks ago in eastern germany, making the UK supplier obsolote for the EU market.

NutLoose 26th Mar 2021 01:11

This EU farce has made me even happier to be out of it, it all strikes me as failing to plan ahead, order early and then be caught out, blame everyone else for your vaccine failures and cover your backs / job.

Good riddance.

ORAC 26th Mar 2021 08:33


Yes, i wonder about that. At cost price for the UK is seven times higher than for the EU, and to South Africa was 10 times higher than for the UK. "At cost" seems to vary a lot now, does it?
That, my friend, is untrue. I’d be interested to hear where it was reported. The price does vary to covers different production costs at different sites (wages etc), but only by under a couple of dollars a dose. For example the EU pays $3.50 whilst South Africa pays $5.25.

The biggest variation in price is between that paid by the UK/EU and others, but that is because they made advance down payments paying for development and supply chain plant constructions whilst that is rolled into that of the other licences plants around the world.

The same holds truth for all the other vaccines as well.

https://www.politico.eu/article/astr...s-coronavirus/

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n281


https://en.prothomalo.com/bangladesh...ose-than-india

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...vid-19-vaccine

“Dr. Nakorn added that the AstraZeneca deal and COVAX Facility are different: “The booking fee of AstraZeneca is part of the vaccine price. With COVAX, the upfront payment is merely an administrative fee, and the actual vaccine price is only determined when the vaccine’s manufacturer is revealed. The price is specified by the manufacturer. As for the claim that Thailand bought AstraZeneca vaccine at a higher price of $5, this is actually the reference price on the UNICEF website. Some sources do not include research funding which has been subsidised previously. In addition, the price of the raw material varies over time. The increase in demand in late 2020 raised the price of the raw material, resulting in price differences. However, the deal rests on the principle of no profit and no loss.”....

ORAC 26th Mar 2021 08:39

Returning to Brexit, rather than vaccines - a reason why the UK couldn’t use the dispute resolution mechanisms in the Trade Deal to sort out problems and had to act unilaterally. It appears that only the EU currently can use them....

https://www.politicshome.com/news/ar...shellfish-saga

Exclusive: Government Considers Legal Action Against The EU Over The Live Shellfish Dispute

“.....Environment Secretary George Eustice on Thursday told the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee that the government currently could not use arbitration mechanisms contained in the UK-EU trade deal because the treaty had not yet been ratified by the European Parliament.

"One of the issues at the moment is that the EU has not ratifed the TCA (Trade & Cooperation Agreement). So while the UK moved very quickly and parliament returned before Christmas to get it all ratified prior to the New Year, the EU still haven't ratified it," he said.

Once MEPs have ratified the deal, which is expected to happen late next month, "the specialised SPS committee would be set up to deal with these sorts of disputes," Eustice added.....


B Fraser 26th Mar 2021 08:43

As predicted, Ursula Von Der Leyen is doing to the EU what she did to the German military. At least she is not throwing her deputy under the bus, as she did a few weeks back.

Von Der Leyen Blames EU Trade Chief for Vaccine Export Gaffe - Bloomberg

4468 26th Mar 2021 10:05

I was particularly struck by this in the links provided by ORAC:


By contrast, the EU didn't invest in the development of the vaccine per se. The Oxford University institute that developed the jab, however, has been heavily reliant on EU funding in the past.
Obviously “in the past” being a time when the UK was the second highest net contributor to “EU funding”.


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