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WB627 17th Mar 2021 13:40


The Brexit deal was astonishingly bad, and every day the evidence piles up
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...evidence-trade

In my 64 years on this planet, I have only once before agreed with something Polly Toynbee said, sadly she is right about the Brexit deal as well.


ATNotts 17th Mar 2021 13:50

old,not bold

You can be fairly circumspect with regard to customs classification numbers on documentation, we always used to be back in "the good old days" when everything exported needed a C273 form, or more recently a C88. The customs tariff always used to have within it a sprinkling of "not otherwise stated" codes, for example "articles of plastic, other, other, other" which I believe back in the day was 3926 9099.

For most commodities, except the really sensitive stuff, those kinds of codes can be found somewhere in the nomenclature and once you've found them they make declarations much simpler. The online version of the UK customs tariff may well be worth browsing when there's nowt interesting on the box! Note: don't try that for imports, classification codes are much more closely scrutinised as it's not uncommon for importers to look for the code that attracts the lowest level of customs duties; surprise, surprise!

Avionker 17th Mar 2021 17:02


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11009807)
Pug


Au contraire.

The genesis of the recent introduction of WW2 into this thread came from a remainer. ATNotts in 10116:


Au contraire, indeed.

I suggest you revisit the very first post in this thread....

ATNotts 17th Mar 2021 17:47


Originally Posted by Avionker (Post 11010714)
Au contraire, indeed.

I suggest you revisit the very post in this thread....

Indeed, I didn't 'mention the war', others did, and I'm not sure they got away with it!!

Economics101 17th Mar 2021 23:39

Apparently Ireland is coming to the rescue for all those Brussels foodies who can't get their favourite British produce. See: https://www.independent.ie/business/...-40076074.html

To think that Priti Patel said that the UK should let the Irish starve if they didn't co-operate over Brexit. Great sense of history, that woman.

Krystal n chips 18th Mar 2021 06:09


Originally Posted by Economics101 (Post 11010970)
Apparently Ireland is coming to the rescue for all those Brussels foodies who can't get their favourite British produce. See: https://www.independent.ie/business/...-40076074.html

To think that Priti Patel said that the UK should let the Irish starve if they didn't co-operate over Brexit. Great sense of history, that woman.

I've been watching a short series "Revolution in Colour " over the last two nights showing, in effect, unseen footage now colourised, about events and people at the beginning of the 20th century, Very detailed and graphic, even Kevin Barry got mentioned, about a very, very dark period in Ireland. I thought I had a reasonable idea as to Irish history, which came in useful when I was in Belfast, but this programme has, frankly, been a revelation to me. The charmless Ms Patel would have been in her element had she been around.

In a more contemporary context, and trying hard to compete with the former worst Foreign Sec, now PM, on record, here's Raab kindly explaining why all the issues surrounding NI are entirely the fault of the EU, and not the UK , whose carefully thought out policies couldn't possibly be in any way related or responsible.....

Dominic Raab accuses EU of trying to erect Irish Sea border | Dominic Raab | The Guardian

old,not bold 18th Mar 2021 11:44

Economics101's link led me to an article on the RTE website here's an extract;

A new ferry service linking Rosslare Europort to Dunkirk in north-eastern France got under way today, with the first ship making the crossing fully booked.

The DFDS route is aimed at transport companies and truck drivers who previously used the UK land bridge to get to the continent, but now want to avoid any Brexit-related delays including customs checks and more paperwork.
And so the unravelling of the UK's economy as a result of Brexit goes on. Pity no-one saw it coming.

Hang on; half of us did, and said so repeatedly over 4 years, but the other half believed the implausible promises from BoJo's gang about the future, and they won the day.

alfaman 18th Mar 2021 11:56


Originally Posted by old,not bold (Post 11011301)
Economics101's link led me to an article on the RTE website here's an extract;

And so the unravelling of the UK's economy as a result of Brexit goes on. Pity no-one saw it coming.

Hang on; half of us did, and said so repeatedly over 4 years, but the other half believed the implausible promises from BoJo's gang about the future, and they won the day.

Indeed, some for even longer, but were relentlessly mocked for "Project Fear" - all the way back to trying to convince parents & grandparents that the EU weren't banning curved cucumbers... https://euro-babble.eu/2018/07/18/cu...ination-began/

ATNotts 18th Mar 2021 11:57


Originally Posted by old,not bold (Post 11011301)
Economics101's link led me to an article on the RTE website here's an extract;

And so the unravelling of the UK's economy as a result of Brexit goes on. Pity no-one saw it coming.

Hang on; half of us did, and said so repeatedly over 4 years, but the other half believed the implausible promises from BoJo's gang about the future, and they won the day.

That will be seized upon by leave voters as a "benefit of Brexit" getting trucks off UK roads, and the quantity of Irish registered vehicles on the motorways does seem to have declined steeply since January, mind you so have the number of trucks from other European nations which certainly can't be viewed at necessarily a positive, since the slack won't have been taken up by British trucks, more likely just trade lost.

4468 18th Mar 2021 12:00


Originally Posted by old,not bold (Post 11011301)
Economics101's link led me to an article on the RTE website here's an extract;

And so the unravelling of the UK's economy as a result of Brexit goes on. Pity no-one saw it coming.

Hang on; half of us did, and said so repeatedly over 4 years, but the other half believed the implausible promises from BoJo's gang about the future, and they won the day.

Oh indeed.

I feel sure both brexiteers and remoaners can join in the wailing that they will no longer be stuck in traffic caused by lorries travelling through the UK from EU country to EU country with highly dubious benefits to UK citizens! Whilst simultaneously paying no UK road tax and ‘tanking’ fuel in their oversized diesel tanks to avoid buying fuel here. All contributing to the reduction in UK’s air quality.

From the link:

It's probably something that should have been done a long time ago but Brexit has pushed it forward," Darren Mooney of DFDS said today in Rosslare.
It should indeed!

24 hours on board? You could treat it as a mini cruise! 😂😂😂

On the bright side, maybe it will contribute greatly to reducing the vastly overplayed predictions of congestion at channel ports.

on another tack...

I wonder how long it will be before the likes of Spain, Greece, Portugal et al are clamouring for those ‘thick’ vaccinated brits to swarm into their tourist resorts?

ASAP I’d guess.

ATNotts 18th Mar 2021 12:06


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11011317)
Oh indeed.

I feel sure both brexiteers and remoaners can join in the wailing that they will no longer be stuck in traffic caused by lorries travelling through the UK from EU country to EU country with highly dubious benefits to UK citizens! Whilst simultaneously paying no UK road tax and ‘tanking’ fuel in their oversized diesel tanks to avoid buying fuel here. All contributing to the reduction in UK’s air quality.

It need not have been the case. Arrive in Belgium and trucks need a vignette to drive on their roads; cross the border into Germany and need to pay the "Maut". The UK chose not to tax hauliers in this way, so as you correctly say, derived / derives no revenue to pay for their road use. The words "goal" and "own" come to mind.

SpringHeeledJack 18th Mar 2021 14:31

A curious question. Watching, or mostly hearing the wonderful Antonov freighters criss-crossing the UK these last months bringing and taking automotive parts between factories of whomever's company in various EU and non-EU countries, it got me wondering how that works since Brexit ?

f you or I buy or send anything, including second hand goods (!) to or from the EU and UK we will be charged VAT/Duty/Excise and so on depending on the monetary worth of the goods. UK exporters are suffering under these restrictions as well, as are their EU counterparts. The motor manufacturers seem to be carrying on as normal, well as normal as one can in these strange times. Are there special arrangements for huge corporations and industries ? Or is it that the components don't take on a value until they are assembled into a final vehicle and so on ? If any one knows i'd appreciate an explanation.

charliegolf 18th Mar 2021 16:59


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11011324)
It need not have been the case. Arrive in Belgium and trucks need a vignette to drive on their roads; cross the border into Germany and need to pay the "Maut". The UK chose not to tax hauliers in this way, so as you correctly say, derived / derives no revenue to pay for their road use. The words "goal" and "own" come to mind.

We do. The HGV Levy (temporarily suspended).

https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...road-user-levy

My daughter's company hosts the IT for the government.

CG

ATNotts 18th Mar 2021 17:25


Originally Posted by charliegolf (Post 11011511)
We do. The HGV Levy (temporarily suspended).

https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...road-user-levy

My daughter's company hosts the IT for the government.

CG

I knew it had been proposed but hadn't realised it had been implemented, let along suspended!

charliegolf 18th Mar 2021 18:51

ATnotts, from memory, quite a while.

CG

old,not bold 18th Mar 2021 19:00

Another point about the start of the Rosslare- Dunkirk service is that it's not only diverting existing HGV traffic that used to go via the UK, but that buyers in the EU are beginning to buying in Ireland instead of the UK, thus avoiding all the Customs hassle. This applies especially, we are told, to foodstuffs similar to those made in the UK, for which there is high demand in the EU. Indeed, it turns out that the Irish versions are sometimes better than the UK version. The new ferry route responds to that demand.

OilCan 18th Mar 2021 19:37


Originally Posted by 4468 (Post 11011317)
I wonder how long it will be before the likes of Spain, Greece, Portugal et al are clamouring for those ‘thick’ vaccinated brits to swarm into their tourist resorts?

ASAP I’d guess.

Do you think they'll let 'remoaners' in as well?. :p

alfaman 18th Mar 2021 20:18


Originally Posted by 4468
Oh indeed.

I feel sure both brexiteers and remoaners can join in the wailing that they will no longer be stuck in traffic caused by lorries travelling through the UK from EU country to EU country with highly dubious benefits to UK citizens! Whilst simultaneously paying no UK road tax and ‘tanking’ fuel in their oversized diesel tanks to avoid buying fuel here. All contributing to the reduction in UK’s air quality.


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11011324)
It need not have been the case. Arrive in Belgium and trucks need a vignette to drive on their roads; cross the border into Germany and need to pay the "Maut". The UK chose not to tax hauliers in this way, so as you correctly say, derived / derives no revenue to pay for their road use. The words "goal" and "own" come to mind.

And to add, the reason & benefit to the UK of those trucks travelling through was that they were delivering & collecting from UK providers, they weren't empty - no one makes money carrying dead space around. It's not good news that there's nothing for them to collect or deliver...

4468 18th Mar 2021 22:42


And to add, the reason & benefit to the UK of those trucks travelling through was that they were delivering & collecting from UK providers, they weren't empty - no one makes money carrying dead space around. It's not good news that there's nothing for them to collect or deliver...
But if “they were delivering and collecting from UK providers”

Then why do they now travel at all? If you were correct, wouldn’t that mean their mini cruise from Rosslare to Dunkirk was now pointless?

Mmmmmmm... 🤔🙄🙄🙄

One can only suppose it used to be called the UK ‘land bridge’ for a reason. 🤔

TURIN 19th Mar 2021 01:00

Our local florist has just posted a message apologising for the large increase in prices.

The pandemic is certainly responsible for some of the shortages however, the increased admin of border paperwork, the doubling of shipping costs, and the 41% increase in wholesale prices at auction primarly due to brexit does make one wonder where this will all end.


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