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pax britanica 8th Apr 2019 16:36

As is indicated by Mrs Mays visit the Eu is not a state it is an association of independent countries and all major issues have to be agreed by the leaders of those countries in the Council of Ministers

It is also the reason why comments about how much the Eu might lose are pointless because each individual state doesn't lose that much but we bear the whole burden of any loss.

Equally the Eu as whole may be looking like it is in recession butt hats not the case everywhere-certainly not in the east where Poland and Czechia are doing very nicely thank you with the latter having the lowest unemployment rate in the EU mostly with proper jobs not like the modern slavery of zero hours contracts and delivering pizzas that the UK loves so much

of course if we are doing well then thats probably because we are actually in the Eu since most of our trade by a long chalk is with them . Mind you what we actually do manufacture as opposed to what we manufacture for Chinese Japanese French German Swedish owned companies I dont know. RR aero engines apart it cant be very much that is British run and British owned (and a big thank you to Lufthansa for a very very timely order for RR engines this week-perhaps some hidden synergy between RR Aero and RR cars the latter being German owned of course

racedo 8th Apr 2019 17:46


Originally Posted by Fitter2 (Post 10442522)
Have you read the GFA? It makes no specific mention of border customs etc. only that matters of mutual interest shall be negotiated between Belfast and Dublin - no mention of Brussels.
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UK exiting Brexit and not negotiating on the border is breaching GFA................. UK has not sought to negotiate border with Dublin.

G0ULI 8th Apr 2019 23:07

I wonder how the EU politicians feel about the prospect of 72 Brexit Party MPs joining their Parliament? Even if only half that number get elected (in line with the split in UK politics), they together with a significant number of hard right wing MPs from the eastern member states should make for some very uncomfortable times ahead within the EU.

For the UK, remaining in the EU will undoubtably lead to a sharp upturn in extremist politics within our borders.

Leaving on Friday is the least worst option all around if one accepts that money isn't everything.

ATNotts 9th Apr 2019 08:06


Leaving on Friday is the least worst option all around if one accepts that money isn't everything.
Money isn't everything if you don't live in a highly capitalist economy; unfortunately for the UK population, in the context of Brexit we do. That is why when considering the wellbeing of the nation "it's the economy, stupid".

Sallyann1234 9th Apr 2019 08:18


Originally Posted by G0ULI (Post 10442847)
Leaving on Friday is the least worst option all around if one accepts that money isn't everything.

A typically selfish comment from someone who won't be bothered by a few extra quid on their bills.

For someone already struggling to survive on a minimum wage or zero hours contract, every pound is vital.

​​​​​​I'm all right Jack. Sod the rest.

wiggy 9th Apr 2019 08:33


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10443060)
For someone already struggling to survive on a minimum wage or zero hours contract, every pound is vital.

Those who will still have money to spare post any Brexit could always donate some of their spare cash to the likes of:

Trussell Trust

All rather uplifting according to JRM...

State Broadcaster - JRM, Food banks rather uplifting

Sallyann1234 9th Apr 2019 09:06

Here you are, GOULI

I'm sure you will want to contribute. After all, as you said, "money isn't everything"

virginblue 9th Apr 2019 09:49


When challenged by a caller to LBC about the increased use of food banks, Mr Rees-Mogg ....said. "The real reason for the rise in numbers is that people know that they are there and Labour deliberately didn't tell them.
With a thinking like this, it is no surprise how those deluded ideas about the consequences of a Brexit come up that are written on red busses by the JRMs and BoJos of Camp Brexit.

Krystal n chips 9th Apr 2019 09:56


Originally Posted by G0ULI (Post 10442847)
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Leaving on Friday is the least worst option all around if one accepts that money isn't everything.

Absoluterly spot orn....like wot they say in Norferk....

Let's take that nice and jolly principled Mr Boles for example .

Could this be the same principled MP who voted for disability payment cuts, who suggested pensioners should no longer receive winter fuel allowance and who merrily claimed £141.469.....and 29p ( every little helps after all ) by any chance ?

Still, in times of national calamity, it's the duty of every patriotic member of the electorate to forego themselves and put their country first !...by jove !.....so yep. money isn't everything as you say...other than being essential for those being deprived of such through no fault of their own.

G0ULI 9th Apr 2019 10:24

3M

Why is it that whenever May visits the EU for talks, it is always with Macron and Merkel? Seems like the other EU leaders don't count for much!

As for the popularity of foodbanks, the Brits are always keen on a bargain. Free or subsidised food? I'll have some of that. Weekend boot fair to pick up some rare curio for 50p that can be sold on Antiques Roadshow or Flog It for £500 plus an appearance fee anyone? A nation of chancers really, but that is why the UK has been so successful in the past.

Anyway, foodbanks don't run in a vacuum. Someone, somewhere is making shed loads of dosh out of these so called charities.

Sallyann1234 9th Apr 2019 14:35


Originally Posted by G0ULI (Post 10443178)
3M

Why is it that whenever May visits the EU for talks, it is always with Macron and Merkel? Seems like the other EU leaders don't count for much!

As for the popularity of foodbanks, the Brits are always keen on a bargain. Free or subsidised food? I'll have some of that. Weekend boot fair to pick up some rare curio for 50p that can be sold on Antiques Roadshow or Flog It for £500 plus an appearance fee anyone? A nation of chancers really, but that is why the UK has been so successful in the past.

Anyway, foodbanks don't run in a vacuum. Someone, somewhere is making shed loads of dosh out of these so called charities.

That is a truly shameful excuse for your dismissive attitude to those on the breadline. You must be a devoted admirer of JR-M.

The food bank in our town is a typical one, run by volunteers. It is allowed to use a corner of a public building, rent-free. It receives donations from shops and individuals, much of it of limited shelf life. The 'customers' are nominated by GPs and social services, and are strictly rationed in what they can have. No money changes hands anywhere at any time.

Anyone who can suggest that "shed loads of dosh" are made out of this charity has to be of a :mad: mind.

Hyperdark 9th Apr 2019 15:11


Why is it that whenever May visits the EU for talks, it is always with Macron and Merkel? Seems like the other EU leaders don't count for much!
They don't, the EU is not the socio-democratic benefactor for all that the Euro-sheeple here insist we follow, It is a purveyor of Diktat as insistant in it's rightousness as those other great destroyers of wrong uns..the USA and Israel

virginblue 9th Apr 2019 15:32

So why exactly does the UK not pull a hard Brexit and simply stick it to the EU, given that this will be the moment milk and honey will begin to flow in the UK and the moment the EU will go under, with the EU-27 turned into a wasteland of impoverished people?

ATNotts 9th Apr 2019 17:01

GOULI:


Anyway, foodbanks don't run in a vacuum. Someone, somewhere is making shed loads of dosh out of these so called charities.
What a truly reprehensible statement!!! have you ever been inside a foodbank? thought not! Do you know where the food (and clothing) comes from? Thought not! Have you ever met anyone who has had the misfortune to have to use a food bank?? No, I guess you haven't.


Well I have worked in one, as part of a study to find out the kinds of people that use food banks, and to establish how they survive with something less than two pence to pub together. It was an eye opened. Might I suggest you visit your local food bank and spend a few hours there. Doing so might just open your eyes too, and then encourage you to reconsider before you post such poisonous, wide of the mark statements!

racedo 9th Apr 2019 17:04


Originally Posted by G0ULI (Post 10443178)
3M

Why is it that whenever May visits the EU for talks, it is always with Macron and Merkel? Seems like the other EU leaders don't count for much!

As for the popularity of foodbanks, the Brits are always keen on a bargain. Free or subsidised food? I'll have some of that. Weekend boot fair to pick up some rare curio for 50p that can be sold on Antiques Roadshow or Flog It for £500 plus an appearance fee anyone? A nation of chancers really, but that is why the UK has been so successful in the past.

Anyway, foodbanks don't run in a vacuum. Someone, somewhere is making shed loads of dosh out of these so called charities.

Having had some very very minor involvement I can assure you nobody is making huge amounts of money.

Food companies and retailers pass on short dated stock to them but they never know what they will receive. Today it could be bananas, tomorrow bread, next day soup.

Visited the Trussel Trust a couple of years ago and they never really sure what would appear. But they supporting nurseries / food banks / pre school clubs / post school clubs / oap centres and anybody else who needed it. The labour force was a mixture of people from local Christian churches who came and gave a hand and people at the margins of society. Some were ex Cons / Druggies / Alcoholics who were trying to get back into some semblance of normality and getting up at 7.30 in the morning to go into a place that was happy to see you and work for a day was brilliant to them as it gave some meaning. Quite a few were ex military who post service has lost their way.

Having friends who have cooked and served homeless lunches, winter night shelters and food banks, knowing them the odea they would gain anything from it would be furthest from their minds.

So F*** OFF with the sneering attitude to people needing to use foodbanks, nobody chooses it willingly.

yellowtriumph 9th Apr 2019 17:11


Originally Posted by virginblue (Post 10443455)
So why exactly does the UK not pull a hard Brexit and simply stick it to the EU, given that this will be the moment milk and honey will begin to flow in the UK and the moment the EU will go under, with the EU-27 turned into a wasteland of impoverished people?

Because MPís need to grow a pair?

kkbuk 9th Apr 2019 19:16


Originally Posted by G0ULI (Post 10443178)
3M

Why is it that whenever May visits the EU for talks, it is always with Macron and Merkel? Seems like the other EU leaders don't count for much!

As for the popularity of foodbanks, the Brits are always keen on a bargain. Free or subsidised food? I'll have some of that. Weekend boot fair to pick up some rare curio for 50p that can be sold on Antiques Roadshow or Flog It for £500 plus an appearance fee anyone? A nation of chancers really, but that is why the UK has been so successful in the past.

Anyway, foodbanks don't run in a vacuum. Someone, somewhere is making shed loads of dosh out of these so called charities.

Age has not brought you wisdom I perceive.

pug 9th Apr 2019 21:34


Originally Posted by yellowtriumph (Post 10443521)


Because MP’s need to grow a pair?



Ive long been of the opinion that the reason many MP’s lobbied for remain (badly) was because they know a hell of a lot more than the average person on the street about the U.K. membership of the EU. This belief includes the knowledge that public opinion outside of the Westminster/London elite always erred to the Euro-skeptic side, providing a convenient scapegoat for the successive cockups U.K. Parliament has been responsible for. Fighting hard enough for remain would have easily blown open their own shortcomings. Although I concede that basing their argument purely on boring facts isn’t sexy when vying against the unicorn salesmen responsible for the leave campaign - capturing some strange 1940’s ‘rule Britannia’ zeitgeist.

Unfortunately this is all a result of a perfect storm, with ardent leave voters seemingly having the lions share of oxygen of publicity in the mainstream media, compounded by social media. The lies still doing the rounds unchallenged - Lisbon treaty as a perfect example - are frightening. Whilst that 52% majority continue to squabble about their own respective ideal type of Brexit, that ‘minority’ 49% who voted for exactly the same thing are seemingly going unheard. A bitter irony.

To those in their 60’s, who benefitted from the unique post war economic boom and are in a position to retire comfortably (if you haven’t already); can you please put your nostalgi-rose tinted glasses further down your noses and perhaps look over them towards the younger generation you will be leaving behind? After all, they are to be the ones that will be left to clean up this mess.

Steepclimb 9th Apr 2019 22:00

Come Brexit the old timers who voted for Brexit will find their nursing homes and the NHS short staffed because the Euros will go home to be replaced possibly not by English people but foreigners from further afield assuming they can find anyone at all.

Hard or soft that's the reality they'll face.

Brexit was always built on a fantasy that never existed. Promoted by the sort of people who yearned for an England that evaporated years ago and voted for by a people who believe it's still exists.

Unfortunately I've become to believe that Brexit must happen now if only to prove the point that it's a huge mistake. Remaining in the EU would simply give oxygen to the fantasists and extremists.

Besides everyone is sick of the English now. Worse the Brexit vote has encouraged the right wingers all over Europe the base nationalists and the fascists to come out and spread their vile manifestos of extremism and intolerance. The very thing the EU was set to up to prevent. I wonder if the fine gentlemen in the photo in the first post of this thread who defeated fascism understand that?
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​​​​​​Will their grandchildren have to do it all again?

Will that be the legacy of Brexit?

dr dre 10th Apr 2019 01:03


Originally Posted by G0ULI (Post 10439038)
Enact the result of the referendum as promised. Once we have left the EU, then negotiations can start on trade deals, in accordance with EU regulations. Who knows, perhaps the trade deals will be as easy and trouble free as suggested, probably not though.

If the UK leaves the EU without a deal on WTO terms then free trade agreements with third party countries would be easy and trouble free.

For those other countries.

Anyone think the UK is in a strong negotiating position? They canít decide on a withdrawal agreement with the EU, they canít figure out what to do with their only land border (Ireland), they canít stop their petty domestic political squabbling. Heck even the Tories arenít united and are attacking each other publically. Added to this the world knows the ins and outs of the UK political and economic position due to the tabloid press splashing it over front pages.

If any Brit thinks theyíll be negotiating strong trade deals in their favour with other countries theyíve got rocks in their heads. If I was a third country trade minister Iíd be salivating at negotiating an agreement with the wounded, divided UK at the moment.


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