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Fly Aiprt 7th Jan 2020 22:14


Originally Posted by LowNSlow (Post 10656132)
Once Scotland gets independence they might find that the much vaunted Scottish Oil is not as big a cash generator as they have assumed.

This is Project Fear from some anti-Scexit moaner.
Once freed from the UK's shackles, Scotland will prosper once again ;-)


Originally Posted by LowNSlow (Post 10656132)
Fracking has been used continuously offshore for the last 30 years without anybody even noticing so the comment "that technique is not without dangers" is as valid as saying "overtaking a slow moving vehicle on a straight road in daytime is not without dangers".

Well well well, I wouldn't trust you about environment ;-)


In March 2019, the High Court found the UK government's policy was unlawful and failed to consider the climate impact of shale gas extraction.[12] In November 2019 the government announced "an indefinite suspension" to fracking, after a report by the Oil and Gas Authority (OGA) said it was not possible to predict the probability or size of tremors caused by the practice. Business Secretary Andrea Leadsom said that the suspension nmight be temporary - imposed "until and unless" extraction is proved safe.

GQ2 7th Jan 2020 22:44

Thank goodness - only a few days to go and we can all get the **** on with our lives. There are signs of life already. I'm selling some property - and we've had more interest since the General Election result than all of last year. Confidence is returning, and businesses are picking-up. Perhaps we'll also regain our collective sanity and humour...!

Alsacienne 8th Jan 2020 06:29


Perhaps we'll also regain our collective sanity and humour...!
Well it doesn't hurt to fantasize ....

LowNSlow 8th Jan 2020 08:40

Fly Airpt; au contraire, I am a supporter of Scottish Independence but I can count and anybody who scrutinises the SNP's projections for earnings from oil & gas in a world of declining carbon fuel reliance realises that they are fantasy figures. Even if there was going to be an increase in demand the ageing fields would demand increased fracking to recover their maximum capacity but this has a finite limit and without significant new exploration and development then the end result will only end in a reduction of supply.

Your quote regarding the 2019 High Court decision applies to onshore fracking only. Due to the geography of the UK mainland being different to the geography of the North Sea seabed there have been no issues with offshore fracking hence why it is still allowed.

Fareastdriver 8th Jan 2020 18:14

According to Cornish Jack's electoral calculations Scotland did not vote to stay in the EU despite Nicola's 'settled will of the people of Scotland.

Out of an electorate of 3,987,112 a total of 1,661,191 voted to remain. That's just over 41% which is nowhere near a majority.

Fly Aiprt 8th Jan 2020 18:35


Originally Posted by LowNSlow (Post 10656673)
Fly Airpt; au contraire, I am a supporter of Scottish Independence but I can count and anybody who scrutinises the SNP's projections for earnings from oil & gas in a world of declining carbon fuel reliance realises that they are fantasy figures.

Any projections related to independence from a Union include a part of fantasy. And the UK should know ;-)
Oil and gas are not the sole resource of Scotland.
It has fisheries, fresh water, electricity, navy class shipyards, air and naval bases, which can help escaping the clutches of the UK.

MFC_Fly 8th Jan 2020 18:47


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10657225)
Any projections related to independence from a Union include a part of fantasy. And the UK should know ;-)
Oil and gas are not the sole resource of Scotland.
It has fisheries, fresh water, electricity, navy class shipyards, air and naval bases, which can help escaping the clutches of the UK.

Fisheries - with declining fish stocks.

Fresh water - lots of that.

Electricity - Will need all of the power generated by renewable sources when the coal, oil, gas are turned off and the last 2 reactors are decommissioned (the SNP Government have stated that they want to go 100% renewables and are anti carbon emiting and nuclear power stations).

Shipyards - That are kept in business primarily from UK Government RN contracts.

Naval and air bases - How are they resources?

NutLoose 8th Jan 2020 21:43

Interesting to see the "change in stance" in that unlike the previous government that spent most of the time going to the EU for meetings, the first meeting with the new head saw her coming here.

SARF 9th Jan 2020 18:28

Well that’s because the current mob actually want to leave . Mays gang were to scared to fart without an Eu sign off

Steepclimb 9th Jan 2020 18:40


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10657405)
Interesting to see the "change in stance" in that unlike the previous government that spent most of the time going to the EU for meetings, the first meeting with the new head saw her coming here.

I wouldn't read too much into that. Don't buy the Boris fantasy that the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU.

ThorMos 9th Jan 2020 20:54


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10657405)
Interesting to see the "change in stance" in that unlike the previous government that spent most of the time going to the EU for meetings, the first meeting with the new head saw her coming here.

Ursula gave a speech at the LSE, so i wouldn"t read too much into it...

Sallyann1234 9th Jan 2020 22:27


Originally Posted by duffied (Post 10658291)
Except that the UK is a net contributor to the EU. Once its gone the other net contributors will have to take up the slack, or provide less to the charity countries.

Yes, you really are new here.

flocci_non_faccio 9th Jan 2020 22:40

Some delicious foot-stomping in the wake of the Brexit bill passing The Commons today.


Liberal Democrat Brexit spokesperson, Alistair Carmichael said his party would continue to oppose the "dangerous" bill.

And SNP Westminster leader Ian Blackford said Scotland would "remain an independent European country". "This is a constitutional crisis, because we will not and we cannot accept what is being done to us," he told MPs.
What a terrible shame for them that their views are now utterly irrelevant and we are leaving regardless of what they think. Glorious.

Alsacienne 10th Jan 2020 07:01


What a terrible shame for them that their views are now utterly irrelevant and we are leaving regardless of what they think. Glorious.
Fine words butter no parsnips f_n_f .... or as you said yourself ....


I'm pretty sure that you're well aware that the UK is a nation committed to democratic values including free speech and the right to peaceful demonstration

Slaine 10th Jan 2020 07:57


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10658512)
Yes, you really are new here.

But what he says is true, we are net contributers.
It may have been gone through many times in this thread but you could say that about 99% of posts in here.
So apart from simply taking the opportunity to cast another snidey comment, what's your point?

Krystal n chips 10th Jan 2020 08:06


Originally Posted by flocci_non_faccio (Post 10658520)
Some delicious foot-stomping in the wake of the Brexit bill passing The Commons today.





What a terrible shame for them that their views are now utterly irrelevant and we are leaving regardless of what they think. Glorious.

You seem to be an avid student of Lord Haw Haw with your adaption of his style of communication.....

Pontius Navigator 10th Jan 2020 08:08


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10658512)
Yes, you really are new here.

OTOH quite a few contributors have disappeared and I suspect reappeared with different handles I suspect.

flocci_non_faccio 10th Jan 2020 08:45


Originally Posted by Krystal n chips (Post 10658794)
You seem to be an avid student of Lord Haw Haw with your adaption of his style of communication.....

I'd be interested in what you find factually wrong. 330 votes to 231 in The Commons. Boris has an iron grip on both the house and his own party. It has been made clear to Conservative MPs that dissent will not be tolerated (Boris' decision to expel the rebels from the party in the last Parliament looks a masterstroke now). Other political parties have been rendered irrelevant. We ARE leaving and there's nothing those who disagree can do beyond wailing about the injustice of it all. It is simply wonderful.

Cornish Jack 10th Jan 2020 08:50

I'm pretty sure that you're well aware that the UK is a nation committed to democratic values including free speech and the right to peaceful demonstration
What a terrible shame for them that their views are now utterly irrelevant and we are leaving regardless of what they think. Glorious.

The most pertinent observation on contributions to 'discussion' forums is that, like fundamental orifices, everybody has an opinion ... with the rider that, what issues forth is distasteful and of reduced value.
The enthusiasm with which a corrupt election result is embraced, in the desperate search of a minority to force the rest of the nation into dogmatic Chauvinism, makes the 'electoral processes' of such as Russia and China seem quite open-handed! At least in those regimes, the 'customers' are aware that they are being screwed - here we accept, indeed, even welcome. the misinterpretation of the popular will and, as some would have it, enjoy the process!

Krystal n chips 10th Jan 2020 09:00


Originally Posted by flocci_non_faccio (Post 10658824)
I'd be interested in what you find factually wrong. 330 votes to 231 in The Commons. Boris has an iron grip on both the house and his own party. It has been made clear to Conservative MPs that dissent will not be tolerated (Boris' decision to expel the rebels from the party in the last Parliament looks a masterstroke now). Other political parties have been rendered irrelevant. We ARE leaving and there's nothing those who disagree can do beyond wailing about the injustice of it all. It is simply wonderful.

I never said there was anything factually wrong. All I did was note your emulation of his gloating style of communication.

Not for the first time however, and noted by several other posters, your enthusiasm for a totalitarian Gov't continues unabated with the rest of your post. ....the correlation with Lord Haw Haw being now well established .

As I've said before, the current Gov't is Tory in name only. I've never made any secret of being a socialist and Labour supporter, but, this Gov't is in no way representative of a genuine Tory Gov't. They are as far apart from the core principles of such that it's possible to be....and, as such, this does not auger well for millions in the UK of all political hues.


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