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Originally Posted by Alsacienne
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Not if you're a UK-expat living in the EU .... gloom and doom come to mind plus a lot of paper-chasing, time-wasting and ill-will.
Whether that will be agreed within weeks or after a "dirty" break in 2021 remains to be determined. |
Originally Posted by Steepclimb
(Post 10649924)
Wales well who knows.
I really hope England gets exactly what it voted for in 2016 in 2020. Ditto Scotland. |
Originally Posted by Grayfly
(Post 10650181)
Theme park?
I really hope England gets exactly what it voted for in 2016 in 2020. Ditto Scotland. Scotland will be happy to regain control of its fishing waters and oil fields the limits of which England has tweaked to its benefit. |
Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt
(Post 10650193)
In a way or another, England will get what it asked for.
Scotland will be happy to regain control of its fishing waters and oil fields the limits of which England has tweaked to its benefit. |
And in Scotland, the Scottish navy would enforce fishing and oil production????
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn
(Post 10650210)
... yet here you say that Scotland will regain control of its waters. The two positions are mutually exclusive.
Your attention to messages and memory are to be commended. With respect, you seem to imply that "regaining control" means some British Frigate chasing French trawlers. But what if it meant Scotland taking back control of its waters over the English, and chasing them ? And allowing whomever else they see fit to fish in their EEZ ? |
Originally Posted by KelvinD
(Post 10650237)
And in Scotland, the Scottish navy would enforce fishing and oil production????
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The future may hold a number of cod wars ? Scotland vs. UK ? EU vs. UK ?
Regarding the non-existing Scottish Navy, you might want to google the cod war between Iceland and the UK in the 70 and take notice of who won, with no navy at all. |
A recent discussion on the fishing issue suggested that the status quo will remain post leaving, as the various allocations were sold, signed and sealed to 'foreign' enterprises years ago and are no longer legally 'ours' to squabble over. True or false, I know not, but experience would point to the Brits' knowledge of cost versus value making it quite likely!
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Originally Posted by Gargleblaster
(Post 10650563)
The future may hold a number of cod wars ? Scotland vs. UK ? EU vs. UK ?
Regarding the non-existing Scottish Navy, you might want to google the cod war between Iceland and the UK in the 70 and take notice of who won, with no navy at all. EU vs UK unlikely as fishing deals will be a prerequisite to "other" deals. May even end the scallop wars, where UK boats come plundering the Seine estuary during reproduction season, who knows ? |
Originally Posted by Cornish Jack
(Post 10650574)
A recent discussion on the fishing issue suggested that the status quo will remain post leaving, as the various allocations were sold, signed and sealed to 'foreign' enterprises years ago and are no longer legally 'ours' to squabble over. True or false, I know not, but experience would point to the Brits' knowledge of cost versus value making it quite likely!
And fishing trades will be among the first trades to be discussed and implemented in 2021. The UK will continue to be bound by the requirements of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) and how they relate to the management of fisheries in any Brexit outcome. This includes an obligation to co-operate with other coastal states on the management of shared stocks or stocks of associated species. The Fisheries White Paper Sustainable fisheries for future generations, published in July 2018, set out the Government’s intention to continue to co-operate closely with the EU and other coastal states on the sustainable management of fish stocks that cross borders. |
With the return of Parliament after the Christmas/New Year break, things Brexit, sorry EU Withdrawal kick off again.
For those not paying attention, the Backstop, which had a simple single border and was supported by business groups in Northern Ireland, but dismissed by the DUP and loyalist groups is now replaced with Boris Johnson’s wheeze of a more complicated two border configuration that is opposed by business groups in Northern Ireland, the DUP and loyalist groups along with some other parties in NI. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/northern-ireland-mps-unite-in-seeking-changes-to-brexit-bill-1.4131899 In an attempt to keep the wheels on the wagon, NI Sec of State, Julian Smith met with representatives of the loyalist paramilitaries over the Christmas break to discuss their concerns. https://www.irishnews.com/news/north...cerns-1807165/ JAS P.S. the reference in the Irish News story to a murder can be further followed up here https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-38835909.html |
Regarding "Scottish" oil production, ALL UK Oil & Gas revenues have shrunk dramatically in the last decade according to the OBR:
Since 2008-09 UK oil and gas revenues have fallen from £10.6 billion (0.7 per cent of GDP) to £1.1 billion in 2018-19. The fall in receipts has been driven by falling production and higher tax-deductible expenditure. The rate of petroleum revenue tax and the supplementary charge have also been cut substantially. |
Not to worry. Trump is busy pushing up the oil price.
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Sallyann; looks like they are settling back down again now
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow
(Post 10655872)
Sallyann; looks like they are settling back down again now
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MFC Fly; and overall production is set to reduce again over the next 2 years..... and will fall even faster if the SNP extend their fracking ban to offshore fields
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Originally Posted by LowNSlow
(Post 10656047)
if the SNP extend their fracking ban to offshore fields
That technique is not without dangers. |
Originally Posted by LowNSlow
(Post 10655784)
Regarding "Scottish" oil production,
Do you mean Scotland shouldn't have control of its own resources and waters ? |
Fly Aiprt; currently it is "British" but I was trying to separate the "Scottish" fields to the North and North West of the North Sea from the fields in the Irish Sea, Southern North Sea, and the few onshore fields.
Once Scotland gets independence they might find that the much vaunted Scottish Oil is not as big a cash generator as they have assumed. Fracking has been used continuously offshore for the last 30 years without anybody even noticing so the comment "that technique is not without dangers" is as valid as saying "overtaking a slow moving vehicle on a straight road in daytime is not without dangers". |
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