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The Nip 22nd Oct 2019 11:24


Originally Posted by alicopter (Post 10600539)
The vast majority of British people really do not want to leave the EU!!! .

Can you prove with any verifiable stats that this is true? No one actually knows what the current % would be.
The only figure that has been verified and agreed was in Jun 2016. That one day. At any other time some people take note of opinion polls, others dismiss them.
Generally, if they back up your own personal opinion, you will think they are accurate.
That is what this has been all about.

I am sure that if your statement is true, the opposition would be desparate for a GE. The Tories would be gone, and the Lib Dems will be elected.

bulldog89 22nd Oct 2019 11:32


Originally Posted by Exrigger (Post 10600571)
How have they had so much difficulties getting rid of the UK, they only had to turn down one of the last extension requests knowing that Westminster would continue to do exactly what they are doing now, and will continue to do, if they do want to get rid of us that much then do not accept the latest extension request, like some of the participants claimed they were going to do and have now changed their minds,

Just ask for it and see what happens...as of today you failed to do so.

NutLoose 22nd Oct 2019 11:38


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10600576)
And he took out the useful bits, referring to closest possible regulatory alignment, leaving the UK free to revert to needlessly powerful, energy guzzling vacuum cleaners, hair dryers, kettles and the like; basically loosening future ties with the EU to satisfy the maniacs in the ERG.

If that means the washing machine in future will actually wash my work clothes, I am all for it.

Fly Aiprt 22nd Oct 2019 11:43


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10600589)
If that means the washing machine in future will actually wash my work clothes, I am all for it.

If you still got a work, that is ;-))


Groundbased 22nd Oct 2019 11:44


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10600570)
"ramming the Benn act through"? Are you having a laugh?

It was voted through by a majority of MPs in Parliament. If it was ever possible to ram something through, Boris would have got all of his bills through instead of losing every time..

As for the new Brexit deal, yes it's the same old deal that May agreed but Boris hated. Now Boris waits to claim it as his own, after he inserted the Irish Sea customs border that he swore he would never accept.

No not having a laugh. Taking control of the order paper to bring it in the first place, second reading, committee stage, consideration and third reading of a backbench Brexit bill on a single day and passing it to the HoL on the same day. I'm not aware that Johnson is proposing that there shouldn't be a vote on the legislation he is putting forward over the next three days (unless they pull it) are you?

It seems that fast tracking bills is OK depending on your point of view.

pax britanica 22nd Oct 2019 11:49

Of course Boris is not patiently mad but he is totally dishonest

BJ as MP at “under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea”
BJ as PM lets have a border down the middle of the Irish sea that leaves NI in the EU

As his 'friend' and former editor ,when he was a journo on the Borisgraph, Max Hastings said , Boris never says anything that he doesnt feel he can change withdraw or change in the future.

Among the few changes to Theresa's deal -all for the worse of course are references to Eu employment law, environmental and customer protections -shows the Tory party havent come far from the days of child labour ,shooting or cavalry charging strikers no NHS, the poor laws, enclosures etc etc , for the few not the many

Fly Aiprt 22nd Oct 2019 11:50


Originally Posted by Exrigger (Post 10600571)
How have they had so much difficulties getting rid of the UK, they only had to turn down one of the last extension requests knowing that Westminster would continue to do exactly what they are doing now, and will continue to do, if they do want to get rid of us that much then do not accept the latest extension request, like some of the participants claimed they were going to do and have now changed their minds,

This might appear a bit subtle for some people, but there is a difference between wishing some obnoxious partner out, and throwing him overboard.
The Brits said they wanted out and asked for some time to get prepared, why would one of the 27 say no ?

Now if you believe you can reapply later, let's hope this time it will be Euro, Schengen and no rebates.
And really democratic voting system...

alicopter 22nd Oct 2019 11:53


Originally Posted by The Nip (Post 10600580)
Can you prove with any verifiable stats that this is true? No one actually knows what the current % would be.
The only figure that has been verified and agreed was in Jun 2016. That one day. At any other time some people take note of opinion polls, others dismiss them.
Generally, if they back up your own personal opinion, you will think they are accurate.
That is what this has been all about.

I am sure that if your statement is true, the opposition would be desparate for a GE. The Tories would be gone, and the Lib Dems will be elected.

I am not reading the polls, I just talk a lot... and I mean a lot, I am retired and cannot stay inside my house in England more than a couple of hours at a time.. so I meet many people, whether on my walks on the sea front, my many farming friends, my busy social life... and I can feel the difference, the changing mood. And to be honest, have you ever had a conversation about why we should Leave apart from regaining powers it is now well documented we had all the time, too much immigration when there are rotting crops on farms that are wasted for lack of pickers and we now know how precious migrants are... etc... etc. This mess is the result of decades of brain washing by a crazy tabloid press and not very clear and understood (on purpose, by politicians) functionning about the EU project, which, I am the first to admit is far from "ripe and ready to pick" yet... But like a Spanish Inn, it is what people make of it and the UK is a valued contributor (and I do not mean financially). Just look at what is going on in the World and what challenges are facing us. Now is not the time to go it alone... Together we stand a better chance. Being a Singapore on Thames is not a good solution for the majority... stop being taken for idiots by a bunch of money grabers filling their pockets on the back of gullible and influencable masses... Time to change the system, not going back to one that has failed....UK might be a bunch of shop keepers but shops are dead, look at your High Street... even Supermarkets are "has been" or on the way out...Lets see the bigger picture....

ATNotts 22nd Oct 2019 12:33


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10600589)
If that means the washing machine in future will actually wash my work clothes, I am all for it.

Come on; washing machines wash most regular grime out of clothes at 40 degrees these days, provided washing power is used - you do use washing powder don't you?:= Any stains (?) that can't be removed are easily dealt with by one or other of the various additives (Vanish is one) that are readily available in supermarkets. Actually, of course it isn't the washing machine it's the wife or Filipino maid that washes the clothes. A bad workman (or woman) blames his tools.


Sallyann1234 22nd Oct 2019 12:45

Does anyone really think that manufacturers are going to produce specially energy-wasteful domestic appliances to sell to the limited British market?
:confused:

yellowtriumph 22nd Oct 2019 12:55

BBC News latest. PM to pull Brexit Bill if timetable not voted through.

Groundbased 22nd Oct 2019 13:03


Originally Posted by pax britanica (Post 10600596)
Of course Boris is not patiently mad but he is totally dishonest

BJ as MP at “under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea”
BJ as PM lets have a border down the middle of the Irish sea that leaves NI in the EU

As his 'friend' and former editor ,when he was a journo on the Borisgraph, Max Hastings said , Boris never says anything that he doesnt feel he can change withdraw or change in the future.

Among the few changes to Theresa's deal -all for the worse of course are references to Eu employment law, environmental and customer protections -shows the Tory party havent come far from the days of child labour ,shooting or cavalry charging strikers no NHS, the poor laws, enclosures etc etc , for the few not the many

He's got this in common with many in all parties.

On the employment protections I don't really get this. My understanding is that all the existing protections will still be applicable in the UK post Brexit either through the transition period or as specifically dealt with by Parliament afterwards. Therefore to actually "trash" these he would have to have a majority in Parliament prepared to vote for doing so, which he doesn't currently have. To get one he would have to win a majority in a GE on a manifesto which gave this as a commitment. And if the voters didn't like that they wouldn't vote for it. Obviously any future Government with a majority would be free to bring them back again. That's how it works.

Exrigger 22nd Oct 2019 13:13


Originally Posted by yellowtriumph (Post 10600652)
BBC News latest. PM to pull Brexit Bill if timetable not voted through.

That will be the bill pulled then as the timetable will not get voted through, even if the timetable does actually scrape through the Brexit bill will not be passed.

NutLoose 22nd Oct 2019 14:06


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10600637)
Come on; washing machines wash most regular grime out of clothes at 40 degrees these days, provided washing power is used - you do use washing powder don't you?:= Any stains (?) that can't be removed are easily dealt with by one or other of the various additives (Vanish is one) that are readily available in supermarkets. Actually, of course it isn't the washing machine it's the wife or Filipino maid that washes the clothes. A bad workman (or woman) blames his tools.

PM me your address and I will pop them round for you to launder, Hydraulic fluid in anyones book still smells post wash as does Avtur, and don't get me going on oil stains.

pax britanica 22nd Oct 2019 14:20

So the most complex issue in modern times and the PM wants parliament to wave it through with a few days debate-says volumes about the man -I don't care about anyone else I just want things my way and all these rules and law thingies they dont apply to me-I am PM and I went to Eton Shame shame shame

KelvinD 22nd Oct 2019 14:30

Am I the only one getting thoroughly sick and tired of hearing MPs proclaiming that the British public voted to leave the EU so we must just vote for the current proposed "deal". In other words, "regardless of how poor the current Bill may be, just vote for it. If it all goes wrong, the public are to blame".

Groundbased 22nd Oct 2019 14:40


Originally Posted by KelvinD (Post 10600702)
Am I the only one getting thoroughly sick and tired of hearing MPs proclaiming that the British public voted to leave the EU so we must just vote for the current proposed "deal". In other words, "regardless of how poor the current Bill may be, just vote for it. If it all goes wrong, the public are to blame".

I have not heard anyone (other than those who wish to remain) state that "if it all goes wrong the public are to blame. If it is worse than Theresa May's deal then why did they not vote for that one? The answer of course is that no matter what deal you put in front of this group of MPs they won't vote for it, because the reality is that they do not accept the result of the 2016 referendum and wish to get to a second referendum which they hope will overturn the result of the first. If Parliament will not implement the result of the first referendum, why would they implement the result of any future referendum they don't like the outcome of? We'd be hearing some different noises if the alternative vote ref had gone the other way and we were still not implementing it.

VP959 22nd Oct 2019 14:43


Originally Posted by KelvinD (Post 10600702)
Am I the only one getting thoroughly sick and tired of hearing MPs proclaiming that the British public voted to leave the EU so we must just vote for the current proposed "deal". In other words, "regardless of how poor the current Bill may be, just vote for it. If it all goes wrong, the public are to blame".

I'm sick and tired of parliament doing all they possibly can to refuse to comply with the will of the people. The way that a minority of Remain supporters, together with a bunch of political mischief makers, have been able to delay Brexit, and try to thwart the process, time after time, is just sickening. In my view we need a root and branch reform that ensures that Members of Parliament are forced to comply with the wishes of those that elect them, not ignore the electorate and follow their own personal agendas.


pax britanica 22nd Oct 2019 14:44

Why would MPs not vote for it- especially theregain control nonsense ? probably because most of them know is a pack of lies and bad for the country

Today- Boris speak-passing the bill will unleash a tide of investment
Reality a horde of American carpet baggers buying up whats left of Britains infrastructure and services at rock bottom prices because the dollar is so strong against the pound

OilCan 22nd Oct 2019 15:27


Originally Posted by Groundbased (Post 10600707)
If it is worse than Theresa May's deal then why did they not vote for that one?

What time travelling tardis did you just get out of?


...and wish to get to a second referendum which they hope will overturn the result of the first.
I disagree, not all people want to overturn it, some people simply think there is now more clarity and may now vote for it.
It would at least give a clearer answer than a GE.


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