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racedo 30th Mar 2019 21:15


Originally Posted by Exrigger (Post 10434537)
If that was the case, why do they keep allowing the UK to keep kicking the same can down the road, if that were truly the case the UK would be out of the EU today, and certainly on the latest Westminster games they would tell us that if the only deal they will discuss is not accepted, then we will definitely default out on the 12th April, but they won't so they obviously do not want us gone.

Not up to EU to say what Westminster wants.

Exrigger 30th Mar 2019 21:35


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10434574)
Not up to EU to say what Westminster wants.

Obviously, but I don't believe I said they are trying to tell Westminster what it wants. You said the EU wanted us gone, but their words and actions don't match that premise, which is all I said. They have their own laws that the UK signed up too and the UK has defaulted on Article 50 3 times to date, by not accepting the only agreement that the EU has agreed to. I think the EU will do what it takes to keep the UK in and will keep agreeing to allow the UK to kick the can down the road each time they request it, so again they do not appear to want the UK gone as you stated.

Sallyann1234 30th Mar 2019 22:34


Originally Posted by Private jet (Post 10434507)
I have made no mistake. A better deal WAS & maybe still is possible, but I concede its very unlikely now. The EU were not threatened enough early on, the polititical cretins just threw it all away.

'A better deal' would have involved 27 countries agreeing to change one or more of the fundamental principles of the EU. That was never going to happen.


Steepclimb 30th Mar 2019 22:48


Originally Posted by Private jet (Post 10434507)
I have made no mistake. A better deal WAS & maybe still is possible, but I concede its very unlikely now. The EU were not threatened enough early on, the polititical cretins just threw it all away.

Ah the classic British conceit, 'They need us more than we need them'.
As far as I see it the British held a gun to their own head and said we'll shoot unless you give us what we want. So the EU did but it turns out the gun wasn't loaded and in any case the Brits had no idea what they wanted.
Click click!

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Krystal n chips 31st Mar 2019 06:56

Well the great day cometh and went.....woke up to some pretty dense fog which hung around until lunch.. which seemed an apt metaphor really.

Has the Long March finished with a victorious parade into London then.....or did they just quietly hop on a Tube at Epping ?

"And the next contestant please.........."

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...victim-cartoon

However, out of all the taking heads interviews, one little gem from Simon Schama who thoughtfully suggested that, instead of the "yah, boo, sucks ! we won...... so there ! " percentage perspective, perhaps it would have been a good idea to have included some of the views and wishes of the remain voters in the policies......there again, the Tories have never been noted for pragmatism.. ..and a nice piece in "Private Eye " about one D.Davies who modestly proposed if being the next PM was like becoming a CEO, he would be the perfect candidate ! .....but he did mention, that, sadly, our electoral system sort of prevents this career aspiration...thankfully.

Fitter2 31st Mar 2019 11:33

I'm surprised this bit of common sense hasn't received wider circulation


Not that I agree with all her policies

wiggy 31st Mar 2019 12:26

Problem with that speech is that she appears to be trying to perpetuate the myth, still a convenient one to some to some in politics, that the EU weren't prepared to compromise in any way with David Cameron in 2015/16..In reality they did...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics...endum-35471117

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nd-what-he-got.

However as is in the nature of these things ("negotiations") Cameron didn't get everything he wanted.

I think fundamentaly it was a case of no what he had come back with he was never going to please certain people.

MadamBreakneck 31st Mar 2019 12:51

Wiggy, thanks that made ineteresting reading - I interpretted the news at that time that the Cameron team had conceded on all their 'red lines'. Do you (or anybody on here) have a link to a similar summary of the Brexit negotiations showing which concessions the EU side have made from their opening stance? It'd have to be fairly short because my attention span on the topic has, unfortunately, shrunk over the years. All I've been able to glean is the EU27 camp saying "tell us what you want" (and, it seems, we'll tell that you can't have it).

MB

Blossy 31st Mar 2019 13:11

I cannot imagine any of the UK TV stations would show it. The BBC gets £millions from the EU and as for the Guardian being unbiased...…. dream on!

CyclicRick 31st Mar 2019 15:03

The can will be kicked down the road until article 50 is revoked and we stay in the EU, which was the plan in the first place since the referendum vote returned the wrong answer. The EU have a certain track record on getting the result they want, and Parliament is seemingly complicit.

Buster11 31st Mar 2019 15:11

[QUOTE=Blossy;10434964] The BBC gets £millions from the EU ...…. /QUOTE]

Tell us more please Blossy. I worked for that outfit for 35 years, so maybe the EU largesse was after I left.


MOSTAFA 31st Mar 2019 16:22

The BBC has admitted taking more than £2 million in European Union funding over the past three years, in a move that critics said called into doubt the corporation’s impartiality over the forthcoming European referendum. Springs to mind!

Sallyann1234 31st Mar 2019 17:12


Originally Posted by MOSTAFA (Post 10435072)
The BBC has admitted taking more than £2 million in European Union funding over the past three years, in a move that critics said called into doubt the corporation’s impartiality over the forthcoming European referendum. Springs to mind!

I don't see anything there about money - just another Farage rant.

Krystal n chips 31st Mar 2019 17:13


Originally Posted by MOSTAFA (Post 10435072)
The BBC has admitted taking more than £2 million in European Union funding over the past three years, in a move that critics said called into doubt the corporation’s impartiality over the forthcoming European referendum. Springs to mind!

£2m over 3 years ?....that's pretty meagre really...how about.... the amount the UK has received from the EU in comparison....not that the UK needs external funding from the EU of course....perish the thought we might actually be beneficiaries after all !

https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7847

Harley Quinn 31st Mar 2019 18:16


Originally Posted by Krystal n chips (Post 10435104)
£2m over 3 years ?....that's pretty meagre really...how about.... the amount the UK has received from the EU in comparison....not that the UK needs external funding from the EU of course....perish the thought we might actually be beneficiaries after all !

https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7847

Such largesse!

Remind us what the annual UK contribution is.

Hyperdark 31st Mar 2019 18:20


Originally Posted by Krystal n chips (Post 10435104)
£2m over 3 years ?....that's pretty meagre really...how about.... the amount the UK has received from the EU in comparison....not that the UK needs external funding from the EU of course....perish the thought we might actually be beneficiaries after all !

https://researchbriefings.parliament...mmary/CBP-7847

I hope for your own sake that you outsource your financial planning

Pontius Navigator 31st Mar 2019 18:33


Originally Posted by Harley Quinn (Post 10435153)
Such largesse!

Remind us what the annual UK contribution is.

As we will probably not know from the OP, our contribution in 2017 was £13bn as we had a rebate of £5.6 bn, but a beneficent EU gave us £4bn.

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-m...ee-55-million/

In contrast the German contribution was €19.6 bn and they received €10.9 bn.
France was €16.2 bn and they received €13.5 bn.

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries/member-countries/germany_en​​​​​​
https://europa.eu/european-union/abo...ries/france_en​​

ThorMos 31st Mar 2019 18:51


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10435168)
As we will probably not know from the OP, our contribution in 2017 was £13bn as we had a rebate of £5.6 bn, but a beneficent EU gave us £4bn.

In contrast the German contribution was €19.6 bn and they received €10.9 bn.
France was €16.2 bn and they received €13.5 bn.
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As you are not giving any source for your claim, let me correct the figures for you:
nett payment:
France 4.57 Bill €
UK 5.35 Bill €
Germany 10.68 Bill €

Source: de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/38139/umfrage/nettozahler-und-nettoempfaengerlaender-in-der-eu/

Sallyann1234 31st Mar 2019 20:00

Be careful ThorMos.
These guys find facts very confusing.

MOSTAFA 31st Mar 2019 20:14

[QUOTE=Blossy;10434964]I cannot imagine any of the UK TV stations would show it. The BBC gets £millions from the EU and as for the Guardian being unbiased...…. dream on![/QUOTE

Sallyann, I was referring to this post which quite clearly asks a question about money and the BBC. I have no idea what you are going on about - but there is nothing unusual about that!


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