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Islandlad 30th Sep 2019 22:11


Originally Posted by under_exposed (Post 10583179)
You do know the official party name is Conservative and Unionist Party,

Wrong bunch of Unionists. Not the DUP, who are a separate party.

NoelEvans 30th Sep 2019 22:17


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10583427)
Torquetalk
They say it's an ill wind that blows nobody any good.
Perhaps a better parliamentary government might be constructed out of the pieces of the old one.

I doubt it. The present parliament is so rotten that it would be best for huge swathes of the rot to be discarded and newer, more stable pieces need to be brought in for anything better to be constructed out of parliament. The way to remove the rot and bring in newer, more stable pieces would be through a General Election. Anything else is just tinkering about with the rot.

Sallyann1234 30th Sep 2019 22:26


Originally Posted by NoelEvans (Post 10583478)
I doubt it. The present parliament is so rotten that it would be best for huge swathes of the rot to be discarded and newer, more stable pieces need to be brought in for anything better to be constructed out of parliament. The way to remove the rot and bring in newer, more stable pieces would be through a General Election. Anything else is just tinkering about with the rot.

No.
A general election will only bring back the same rotten individuals from the same rotten parties. That's no answer at all.
But don't ask me what the right answer is - I have no idea.

Fly Aiprt 30th Sep 2019 22:27


Originally Posted by NoelEvans (Post 10583472)
As you ask that question, it would be interesting to hear what you understand a 'Green Card' to be?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....008118f3fd.jpg

Fly Aiprt 30th Sep 2019 22:30


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10583482)
No.
A general election will only bring back the same rotten individuals from the same rotten parties. That's no answer at all.
But don't ask me what the right answer is - I have no idea.

Western democracies might give an idea ?

Islandlad 30th Sep 2019 22:30


Originally Posted by NoelEvans (Post 10583478)
I doubt it. The present parliament is so rotten that it would be best for huge swathes of the rot to be discarded and newer, more stable pieces need to be brought in for anything better to be constructed out of parliament. The way to remove the rot and bring in newer, more stable pieces would be through a General Election. Anything else is just tinkering about with the rot.

That could mean the Lib Dems getting a majority at the expense of the two large parties. Brexit is not a done deal. Boris and the Tories may not be in power long enough to 'Get Brexit Done'.

Time will tell.

Fly Aiprt 30th Sep 2019 23:12

Unexpected consequences

Reading on the Boeing/Airbus tariff wars, stumbled on this :

https://leehamnews.com/2019/09/29/eu...rbus-wto-case/


But with the UK’s looming Brexit, another question arises whether tariffs would be levied after the UK departure.
The answer, LNA has learned is yet—because the complaint was against the Airbus member states in addition to the EU. Thus, the UK will continue to be subject to potential tariffs even after leaving the EU.
The EU could retaliate since they won their WTO case, but once Britain is out, it is on its own to confront the tariff wars.
If the A220 wing factory remains in the UK, that is...

WingNut60 30th Sep 2019 23:13


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10583489)
Western democracies might give an idea ?

Yeah, right. Just pick one of the many shining examples.

ATNotts 1st Oct 2019 07:02


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10583396)
Here's what HM Government says :

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/hauliers...argo-documents

Surprising they mention Insurance Green Card in the the new documents...wasn't a vehicle insurance mandatory before ?

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3c5ebedf6c.jpg

Most of what the UK government says will be required from the driver point of view is much the same as now; the CPC will have to be a new UK certificate as I understand it, the pan-EU CPC will cease to be valid in UK. The International Driving Permit is an archaic document that disappeared, but that will become virtually mandatory post Brexit as the French and Dutch are demanding holders of UK licences carry a "green card" since most short sea driver accompanied traffic moves via these two countries. Mrs ATN, who still works within logistics assures me that as of now it is still not clear exactly what documents will be required - it's all a bit thin in the information department, despite what HMG might protest.

That "green card" is something that again, post the single market disappeared for drivers within the EU/EEA. Since then a statement was printed on car insurance certificates regarding cover within the EU/EEA. That will disappear, as my insurer confirmed a couple of months ago. When the UK leaves the EU (deal or no deal) I will have to get a special "green card" document from my insurer for driving my car in the EU/EEA. I suspect that were you to drive to the UK (given the state of our roads, congestion, cameras, etc why would you?) you would also require some kind of green card to prove you were covered to drive in UK.

Pontius Navigator 1st Oct 2019 07:46

Torquetalk,

their vague wish for it to be different whilst voting for a party committed to rolling back the state seems about as joined-up and believable as Conservative ideology
Thank you for that comprehensive reply. Mrs PN would agree with that and has vowed not to vote again. I am not so sure.

I would want to vote for the least bad option that is likely to win a seat.

NoelEvans 1st Oct 2019 07:52


Originally Posted by NoelEvans (Post 10583472)
As you ask that question, it would be interesting to hear what you understand a 'Green Card' to be?

Posting a picture of one does not mean that you understand what it is. I am sure that you will get sufficient help here if you don't understand what it is.

Fly Aiprt 1st Oct 2019 08:10


Originally Posted by NoelEvans (Post 10583715)
Posting a picture of one does not mean that you understand what it is. I am sure that you will get sufficient help here if you don't understand what it is.

Noel, I said that I'd be kind and not use fierce irony, please help me on that.
I said I was surprised that the insurance green card was mentioned in the new documents after Brexit because for decades this green card has been required to prove your motor vehicle is insured in the EU and some other countries.

pr00ne 1st Oct 2019 08:55


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 10583518)
Yeah, right. Just pick one of the many shining examples.

Wingnut,

Compared to the alternatives?


ALL of them!!!!

As a certan Winston Churchill once famously said.

The Nip 1st Oct 2019 09:39

From Policalite today.

THE economical crisis in the Eurozone worsened yesterday as new data revealed that industries within the failing EU project are experiencing new lows of confidence, particularly in the industrial sector.


TheEuropean Commission reports that factories became even more glum this month, as trade war worries and a “substantial deterioration” in industrial confidence dragged its monthly gauge of economic measure down to just 101.7 points from 103.1 in August – the weakest since 2014.

The news comes just a day after the CEO of banking giant Deutsche Bank warned that Germany was in danger and that the European central bank does not have the tools left to “cushion” a “real economic crisis” as Angela Merkel’s economy teeters on the edge of a crippling recession.

His warning comes after EU member states were warned the Eurozone is headed for a “fresh crisis”, bigger than the 2011-2012 disaster.The eurozone economy came close to stalling in September after sharp declines in global trade and a possible no deal Brexit triggered a fall in manufacturing output. The fall, the fastest in nearly seven years, raised alarm bells for economies across Europe and added further pressure to arguments in favour of a strong and tightly regulated eurozone.

Output across EU members states such as Germany and France fell at the sharpest rate since 2012 and optimism among business executives fell to its lowest level for seven years.

Among those worse hit were car manufacturers by a rise in Chinese and US import tariffs, as well as preparations for the UK’s departure from the EU.

With the EU project heavily relying on milking its cash cow – the United Kingdom – to survive, we can now see the real reason that the likes of Merkel and Junker are willing both Boris Johnson and Brexit to fail.

NoelEvans 1st Oct 2019 09:55


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10583733)
...
I said I was surprised that the insurance green card was mentioned in the new documents after Brexit because for decades this green card has been required to prove your motor vehicle is insured in the EU ...

Not according to the FCO:

Check your insurance if you’re taking your own vehicle

Within the EU, your UK vehicle insurance gives you a minimum of third party cover to drive your vehicle in the EU. Check with your insurer if your policy covers extra things like theft or damage.

Outside the EU, you may need additional insurance and a ‘green card’ to show you’re covered.

Fly Aiprt 1st Oct 2019 09:58


Originally Posted by The Nip (Post 10583830)
With the EU project heavily relying on milking its cash cow – the United Kingdom – to survive, we can now see the real reason that the likes of Merkel and Junker are willing both Boris Johnson and Brexit to fail.

Hahaha !
Contributing nearly 12%, like Italy




Krystal n chips 1st Oct 2019 10:02


Originally Posted by The Nip (Post 10583830)
From Policalite today.

THE economical crisis in the Eurozone worsened yesterday as new data revealed that industries within the failing EU project are experiencing new lows of confidence, particularly in the industrial sector.


.

That was very interesting to read,

Not the content I should add, far more pertinently...... the source.

A very quick search reveals it to be one of several relatively new virtual sites, all with a few common denominators such as being termed "hyper partisan, populist and extreme right wing " ..for example.


CargoMatatu 1st Oct 2019 10:13

No surprise The Nip quotes it then!

Sallyann1234 1st Oct 2019 10:31


Originally Posted by CargoMatatu (Post 10583850)
No surprise The Nip quotes it then!

Considering that there is currently 80% confidence in the EU across its constituent members, it's not surprising that EU haters are having to plumb the depths of the Web to find support. Still if it keeps them occupied and off the streets*. :ok:

*We have been threatened with riots if they don't get their way.

WingNut60 1st Oct 2019 10:45


Originally Posted by pr00ne (Post 10583785)
Wingnut,

Compared to the alternatives?


ALL of them!!!!

As a certan Winston Churchill once famously said.

Silk purse out of a sow's ear is what comes to mind.
Remember what the assertion was. To restructure the British democracy.
If you think any of the others are significantly better, just name the ONE that you would use as a template.



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