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NoelEvans 20th Sep 2019 20:06

Funny old thing, I've never seen an 'old currency equivalent' quoted recently on any till slip in the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg (yes, wee Luxembourg!), Germany, Austria, Slovenia, Italy, Spain or Portugal. Maybe they are all quicker learners than the French? Or isn't it really that the French can't let go of their Franc? So much for EU solidarity?

Fly Aiprt 20th Sep 2019 20:08


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10574741)
Don't worry about it. Some people think they know all the answers and yet insist on asking all the questions. It's a small but typical example of the much bigger problems that our unhappy country refuses to face at the moment.

Kindly responding when Noel happens to ask an intelligent question might encourage him to reflect by himself, and who knows ? help clear some of the confusion in this tortured mind...


Fly Aiprt 20th Sep 2019 20:26


Originally Posted by NoelEvans (Post 10574762)
Funny old thing, I've never seen an 'old currency equivalent' quoted recently on any till slip in the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg (yes, wee Luxembourg!), Germany, Austria, Slovenia, Italy, Spain or Portugal. Maybe they are all quicker learners than the French? Or isn't it really that the French can't let go of their Franc? So much for EU solidarity?

Noel, Noel, my dear troubled friend, may I remind you that to date you have proven a poor observer, confusing everything you saw or met on the Continent ?
So what you've never seen might not be a proof of whatever ;-)

But yet again I feel this old urge to disparage the people in the countries you travel to.
If it is vital to you to call the French or any other people retards, slow learners or Euro leavers, please be my guest^^!

Fly Aiprt 20th Sep 2019 20:39


Originally Posted by NoelEvans (Post 10574702)
That is probably exactly why they are trying to escape from the EU to Britain. They are escaping from un-free countries.

Just so things are clear for you.
Those immigrants you loathe, and asked France to help contain on its own soil, they mostly come from a big big continent far beyond the horizon, farther than Belgium or Luxembourg, yes sir !
Africa it is named, with many many big problems over there. Yes they are escaping from un-free countries.
It's just that...Africa isn't part of the EU ;-)
Nor is Afghanistan, Syria or Irak by the way...



back to Boeing 20th Sep 2019 21:29


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10574790)
Just so things are clear for you.
Those immigrants you loathe, and asked France to help contain on its own soil, they mostly come from a big big continent far beyond the horizon, farther than Belgium or Luxembourg, yes sir !
Africa it is named, with many many big problems over there. Yes they are escaping from un-free countries.
It's just that...Africa isn't part of the EU ;-)
Nor is Afghanistan, Syria or Irak by the way...

And once Britain is free from the EU the Dublin regulation no longer applies so, oh wait uhm hang on. Slightly embarrassing here. Britain canít export those refugees back to France anymore. Oops. Still, taken back control, blue passports and all that.

NoelEvans 20th Sep 2019 23:20


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10574790)
Just so things are clear for you.
Those immigrants you loathe, and asked France to help contain on its own soil, they mostly come from a big big continent far beyond the horizon, farther than Belgium or Luxembourg, yes sir !
Africa it is named, with many many big problems over there. Yes they are escaping from un-free countries.
It's just that...Africa isn't part of the EU ;-)
Nor is Afghanistan, Syria or Irak by the way...

Please show me exactly where I said that I ever loathed any immigrant?

They may have come from places like "Irak" [sic], but what was so wrong with the EU that they didn't stop there on the way?

Please inform me how much you know about Africa. Have you been there? If so, which part?

I'm sorry, but I would like this to be a pleasant, rational discussion. Not claiming that someone 'loathes' someone else just because you get some strange idea that they do.

Please, some pleasant rational discussion would do very well.

wiggy 21st Sep 2019 05:43


Originally Posted by NoelEvans (Post 10574762)
Funny old thing, I've never seen an 'old currency equivalent' quoted recently on any till slip in the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg (yes, wee Luxembourg!), Germany, Austria, Slovenia, Italy, Spain or Portugal. Maybe they are all quicker learners than the French? Or isn't it really that the French can't let go of their Franc? So much for EU solidarity?

Not sure whereabouts in France you have been Noel but I haven't seen a French Franc equivalent on a till receipt down here in years - I haven't seen it when doing on-line transactions or on bank statements either. There are reasons for the law allowing it to still be there ( as Fly as pointed out mainly for the older folk, older transactions). By way of comparison there were plenty of Brits still back converting to pounds, shillings and pence twenty years after Decimalisation Day in the UK and some still do when it suits them...

"So much for EU solidarity?"... :confused:

Since French law still allows French retailers to publish "old currency equivalent" I'd say you're actually looking at a minor example of a country retaining national law, national customs, national identity and not losing sovereignty despite being in the EU. Could it be the "leave" campaign gave a misleading impression about that aspect of how the EU works and instead tried to portray it as a homogenous block which allowed no national differences? Surely not.

Krystal n chips 21st Sep 2019 06:18

" By way of comparison there were plenty of Brits still back converting to pounds, shillings and pence twenty years after Decimalisation Day in the UK and some still do when it suits them..."

You will be far from amazed to learn that there are still many resolute Brits resident in the UK who have yet to adapt to the complexity of metric when ordering food in shops, despite the outlets thoughtfully helping them with both metric and Imperial measures displayed.

However, when JR-M elevates himself from the semi-comatose reclined position, it's only a matter of time before all and any forms of metrication are banned in the UK ( 1st November 2019 has probably already been provisionally planned in for this to be included in the Statute Book ) and we can all revert to those halcyon days past.

Sallyann1234 21st Sep 2019 08:22


Originally Posted by NoelEvans (Post 10574889)
They may have come from places like "Irak" [[i]sic], but what was so wrong with the EU that they didn't stop there on the way?

It doesn't matter how many times you ask the same question. The answer is the same too.

And why the [sic]? Do you not understand that in other countries or languages people might use a different transliteration of Arabic ? A perfect example of Brexit insularity - if it isn't English it's wrong.

Fly Aiprt 21st Sep 2019 08:30


Originally Posted by NoelEvans (Post 10574889)
what was so wrong with the EU that they didn't stop there on the way?

Actually, they do.
Because Britain asked France to stop them on its soil.
Hopefully, when GB is on its own, it'll do its little business itself, on its own territory.


wiggy 21st Sep 2019 09:35


Originally Posted by NoelEvans (Post 10574889)
Please show me exactly where I said that I ever loathed any immigrant?

They may have come from places like "Irak" [[i]sic], but what was so wrong with the EU that they didn't stop there on the way?

I missed that gem earlier..I know some find it hard to believe but not all refugees and/or asylum seekers entering the EU want to go to the UK, a lot do stop before the Channel.

We have a resettlement centre locally....

https://www.ladepeche.fr/2019/06/21/...il,8269524.php

bulldog89 21st Sep 2019 09:42


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10575062)
It doesn't matter how many times you ask the same question. The answer is the same too.

And why the [sic]? Do you not understand that in other countries or languages people might use a different transliteration of Arabic ? A perfect example of Brexit insularity - if it isn't English it's wrong.

It isn't insularity, it's just pure ignorance.

Fly Aiprt 21st Sep 2019 11:24


Originally Posted by bulldog89 (Post 10575131)


It isn't insularity, it's just pure ignorance.

There seems to be a strong correlation between Brexit vote and the level of education.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6321e6b073.png

Brexit voting and education | The Stats Guy

Imagegear 21st Sep 2019 11:56

You could equally say that the graph represents blue collar vs money and privilege, or "have's" and "have nots", or North and South, to say it is too simplistic is an understatement.

There is no doubt that the under-privileged, under-educated and unheard are seizing an opportunity to give the overall political establishment a good kicking.

About time,

IG.

Sallyann1234 21st Sep 2019 12:13

I don't think it's a reasonable comparison since it takes no account of age.
People who are now retired left school when only the most academically inclined went to university. It's usual now for school leavers to go on to uni even for useless non-degrees.

Imagegear 21st Sep 2019 13:11

There is no doubt that a significantly large number of the older population have memories of the last war and the cold war where the very existence of the UK was in the balance. The will to defend these shores against oppressors remains deep within the psyche of the older members of society, as it has for thousands of years. In many instances, younger people will not experience this level of threat, nor will they have been required to step up to the mark and make their contribution. Being a member of the EU has not significantly lessened the threat in the eyes of older people.

Perhaps when more of us have died off, the country's independence will not be regarded as so important as it is remains today, certainly if the military forces continue to dwindle and stability and peace eventually settle across Europe. there would be no need of a BREXIT debate.

I will not see it.

IG

Krystal n chips 21st Sep 2019 13:58


Originally Posted by Imagegear (Post 10575327)
There is no doubt that a significantly large number of the older population have memories of the last war and the cold war where the very existence of the UK was in the balance. The will to defend these shores against oppressors remains deep within the psyche of the older members of society, as it has for thousands of years. In many instances, younger people will not experience this level of threat, nor will they have been required to step up to the mark and make their contribution. Being a member of the EU has not significantly lessened the threat in the eyes of older people.

Perhaps when more of us have died off, the country's independence will not be regarded as so important as it is remains today, certainly if the military forces continue to dwindle and stability and peace eventually settle across Europe. there would be no need of a BREXIT debate.

I will not see it.

IG

Wow !...that's going to send the old red white and blue corpuscles pulsing around a few varicose veins on here.....

Just a few, well, different perspectives however.

First, we are not being oppressed, at least not by the EU nations. Internally and with Boris in residence, the UK population as a whole probably do feel threatened.

The Cold War. True, it got a bit warm at times, but I never felt overly alarmed as to the prospect of cans of instant sunshine improving the infrastructure of Leeds, or Grimsby or Halifax for example.

Now, as far as I am aware, the UK remains an independent country as, oddly enough, do all the other EU countries. So no change there.

But in one sense you are correct in that there are those in the UK who wasted no time in attempting to make the offensive and repugnant correlation with contemporary Germany and Germany in the early- mid 20th century.

Anyway, just for you....and other kindred jingoists .... fresh box of .Kleenex at the ready.....chaps !


Fly Aiprt 21st Sep 2019 14:03


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10575278)
I don't think it's a reasonable comparison since it takes no account of age.
People who are now retired left school when only the most academically inclined went to university. It's usual now for school leavers to go on to uni even for useless non-degrees.

This little study is worth reading in its entirety


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0597a4d3b6.png


As you can see, itís still a very strong relationship, so we can conclude that the percentage of graduates is a good predictor of voting, even after taking account of age.


iceman50 21st Sep 2019 14:25

Considering Brexit is supposedly not going to affect you Fly Aiprt, you certainly have lots of opinions and arrogance.

Imagegear 21st Sep 2019 14:26

Thank you for the tissues Krystal however they were not necessary during the Cuban crisis when I stood at the bottom of my friend's garden wondering whether I would have time to see the mushroom cloud expanding over the nearby city before I was evaporated. Equally, during my service career, at certain times wondering whether it was worth doing my bit in the command bunker or whether to just stand in my pyjamas in the beautiful rose garden and wait for oblivion.

As for land of Hope and Glory, well it means something to me although if only to sing along at the Albert Hall, seeing the tears in the eyes of so many.

IG


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