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Fly Aiprt 3rd Sep 2019 19:44


Originally Posted by The Nip (Post 10560981)
This thread has been subject to a coup takeover by those who don't live in the UK, and didn't have a vote in the referendum.

This is a scandal !
Only the British had a right to vote, whereas everyone in the 28 was concerned and are affected, and there should have been 200 million voters.
This is contrary to democracy and elementary esprit d'équipe.

PS: this post might include some degree of irony...

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zoigberg 3rd Sep 2019 20:28

Nip
i’ve certainly posting here more recently, and have found much to agree with FlyAi’s opinions (but not them all)
for the record, much of my current thinking can be found on this website EU Referendum from Richard North who has been campaigning to leave for probably 20 years now but is thoroughly hacked off with the media and politicians botch-up of what could have been a very different story, and is very concerned about the possibility of leaving without a deal.
I don’t like the idea either.
Besides, from the Leave side, what happened to TescoApp?

Fly Aiprt 4th Sep 2019 00:42

https://www.dw.com/en/brexits-other-...ers/a-46209723
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....695a5a7be5.png

Una Due Tfc 4th Sep 2019 01:16


Originally Posted by VP959 (Post 10560969)
Top ten importing countries into the UK last year:

Germany $91.57B
China $63.38B
United States $63.25B
Netherlands $55.19B
France $37.68B
Belgium $34.65B
Italy $26.55B
Norway $25.23B
Spain $21.07B
Ireland $18.78B

How did China, United States and Norway manage to import so much to the UK, if the process is so dire for countries outside the EU?

Because the UK is still a member of the EU and these countries have trade agreements in place with the EU.

And as for "bots", if I'm being included in that, the reasons I come and go are a) real life with shift work tend to get in the way, and b) this is all getting so tedious that I just wish the UK would s*** or get off the pot.

Another possible reauest to the EU for extension tomorrow. If a GE is called and there's as paralysed a parliament as this one I think I'm going to have to lock the tv away until you finally decide what you're doing over there.

This issue has poisoned and paralysed your political system for 3 years now and has the potential to do so for many more. A GE might not solve it. I honestly think this s*** show the UK has put on can only end with a "preferendum": IE vote

1 Leave with no deal
2 Leave with May's deal
3 Remain.

Even if the UK does leave with no deal, eventually a trade agreement with the EU will need to be negotiated. The EU requirement for the backstop won't disappear after Nov 1st.

dr dre 4th Sep 2019 03:23

What’s really striking is one of the key arguments used by leavers around the time of the referendum was that Brexit would be a beginning of the break up of the EU, the first withdrawal in a total collapse of the Union. Supposedly once all the other nations saw how strong and prosperous the UK would become after leaving they’d all follow suit.

Well thanks to the UK putting on a total display of shambles, having economic decline, multiple governments fall, multiple defections and instability and chaos in their own governing party, not a single second movement to withdraw from the EU from any other member has eventuated. Even those countries that have more populist Euroskeptic governments are only calling for “reform”, not outright leaving the union.

Even in traditionally Euroskeptic Italy a slight minority (44-41) now say it’s more beneficial to stay in the block than leave (it traditionally has been the opposite). In Ireland it’s now 93% support for the EU.

So bad luck Nigel, Boris, Jacob et al. Your little scheme may or may not succeed in sinking the UK’s economy for you own personal benefit but your wider goal of destroying the EU won’t be achieved.

And in terms of chaos and how far the Tories have sunk, who would have ever thought that this headline would ever be published?!:

Boris Johnson just sacked Winston Churchill's grandson from the Conservative Party

bulldog89 4th Sep 2019 06:34


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10561036)
Nice post, Exrigger,

Here is my (Bot) take :

It will not affect them at all : false.
Everybody in Europe would have preferred not having to deal (!) with Brexit. But after 3 years, we finally accept the inevitable difficult situation you created.

They will be glad when we have left : well, err...actually...yes^^!
Britain has been such a difficult, unreliable and finnicky partner, that many in Europe will feel relieved when the uncertainties you provoked are over and we finally get to dealing with the consequences.
As the saying goes "Plutôt seul que mal accompagné".

They don't think they will be able to treat the UK as a Non-EU member for trading as they currently do with every other non-EU country : true.
We expect you will be treated like a candidate Non-EU member, and so prepare for years of discussion before establishing any treaty. That's what the transition period was for, to prevent you being outside with nothing ready.
And that's why some bots here would sometimes urge you to do something before you take the plunge.


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I am a bot and I totally agree with your point of view.
I'm also grateful to the UK: thanks to this vote the buffoon (a local Italian politician, no offense intended for leavers) talking about my country leaving the EU is now keeping his mouth shut.

Krystal n chips 4th Sep 2019 06:50


Originally Posted by The Nip (Post 10560981)
This thread has been subject to a coup takeover by those who don't live in the UK, and didn't have a vote in the referendum.
Yet seem to have all the answers and surprisingly are on the remain side. It seems there type of posters appear for a short time, post hundreds of times then disappear.
I fully understand that everyone has an opinion, the quantity of posts seems to suggest they could be Bots!
Maybe the Soros influence is spreading!




Oh man ! please don't tell us you are in the Intel.Branch.........however, there is always the possibility you have stumbled on a dark secret.....JB has been subliminally influencing UK politics under the cunning ruse of being an aviation site with world wide contributors .......plus, one was mortified you failed to mention Guardian readers !

Given Boris has been hogging the headlines, today's Excess has suitably sombre and funereal black to ensure the readership are in no doubt as to the calamity unfolding by the hour.......stopping short of an Excess "crusade " for all Gov't buildings to be swathed in black flags however......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-49574200

Now as I've said, Oddball is my hero and we have a lot in common, but even he couldn't match JR-M........the various comments say it all.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ing-in-commons

SaulGoodman 4th Sep 2019 06:58


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10561036)
Nice post, Exrigger,

Here is my (Bot) take :

It will not affect them at all : false.
Everybody in Europe would have preferred not having to deal (!) with Brexit. But after 3 years, we finally accept the inevitable difficult situation you created.

They will be glad when we have left : well, err...actually...yes^^!
Britain has been such a difficult, unreliable and finnicky partner, that many in Europe will feel relieved when the uncertainties you provoked are over and we finally get to dealing with the consequences.
As the saying goes "Plutôt seul que mal accompagné".

They don't think they will be able to treat the UK as a Non-EU member for trading as they currently do with every other non-EU country : true.
We expect you will be treated like a candidate Non-EU member, and so prepare for years of discussion before establishing any treaty. That's what the transition period was for, to prevent you being outside with nothing ready.
And that's why some bots here would sometimes urge you to do something before you take the plunge.


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Great post Fly! I would like to add that although my country (NL)*is amongst the most affected by Brexit, it is not such an item anymore. There is not much we can do accept*planning for a “no deal” scenario. Which has been going on for 3 years now:*Hiring / training of extra douaniers. Increasing parking space at the ports, information providing by the Government (remember Brexit monster). Etc...

The last time ANY brexit related item that was published on the front page of my news paper was over ONE month ago (30/07). People just don’t care anymore as the only likely outcome is No Deal and has been for a long time.

I just feel sorry for the Irish. They have no blame and will be affected the most, especially by a no deal, so I do hope (and expect) that they will get all the help from the EU and its members.*

Fly Aiprt 4th Sep 2019 08:32

When people around me are asked about Brexit, the usual response is a casual "Well err, they said they are leaving shortly or something, didn't they ?" and a politely suppressed yawn.

bpilatus 4th Sep 2019 08:43


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10561470)
When people around me are asked about Brexit, the usual response is a casual "Well err, they said they are leaving shortly or something, didn't they ?" and a politely suppressed yawn.

same here

It is only remoaniacs who get excersized by this now. Leavers know we are out soon so naturally are less excited by the whole shebang

Thank you for reading

Exrigger 4th Sep 2019 09:03


Originally Posted by bpilatus (Post 10561476)
same here

It is only remoaniacs who get excersized by this now. Leavers know we are out soon so naturally are less excited by the whole shebang

Thank you for reading

After last night and what I see possibly happening today I no longer believe we will leave, certainly not this year anyway, whatever happens now the only option will still be a default leave as the remain side will not agree any deal, ever, as all they want to do is Revoke article 50 - 'They think it is all over, ,,, it is now'.

Fly Aiprt 4th Sep 2019 09:16


Originally Posted by bpilatus (Post 10561476)
same here

It is only remoaniacs who get excersized by this now. Leavers know we are out soon so naturally are less excited by the whole shebang

Thank you for reading

I'd advise that utter prudence be exercised when calling some categories of people, lest some terms appear lacking in courtliness.




ATSA1 4th Sep 2019 09:16

So if the no deal option is taken off the table, we already know that the Parliament cannot (or will not) agree a leave deal, then Brexit is all but dead...
and all the aggro that we have had since June 2016, will count for absolutely nothing....
What a waste of everybody's time!! The next time anybody asks for a referendum, I hope they told to STFU!

Grayfly 4th Sep 2019 09:28


Originally Posted by ATSA1 (Post 10561494)
What a waste of everybody's time!!

..and money. Various sources quote the cost so far to be between £44bn and £66bn, roughly £1000 per head of population. A hell of a night out!

Pontius Navigator 4th Sep 2019 09:30


leave the EU without no deal
That means leave with a deal. Did you mean 'leave the EU without A deal'?

​​​The last three years has not been entirely wasted. A whole Brexit industry has sprung up from a succession of Brexit Ministers, their staff of advisor and civil servants, the oppositions too, a huge media circus, and down to belated recruitment of associated government employees to implement that which is yet to be implemented. Even work for contractors pouring concrete around the country. All good for reducing employment figures.

As the dust settles, will those directly concerned be made redundant? Civil Servants have a habit of keeping their jobs.
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Sallyann1234 4th Sep 2019 09:46


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10561492)
I'd advise that utter prudence be exercised when calling some categories of people, lest some terms appear lacking in courtliness.

I must apologise for the childish name-calling by certain contributors here. It is usually just a substitute for reasoned discussion. Please understand that it is not representative of the British in general, regardless of their side of the argument.

Pontius Navigator 4th Sep 2019 09:56


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10561517)
I must apologise for the childish name-calling by certain contributors here. It is usually just a substitute for reasoned discussion. Please understand that it is not representative of the British in general, regardless of their side of the argument.

👍

As an aside, the terms Deal and No Deal were an unfortunate choice as they bring to mind that rather infantile game show by Noel Edmunds. Though on reflection the terms may not have been stupid after all.

bpilatus 4th Sep 2019 10:39


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234
I must apologise for the childish name-calling by certain contributors here

more virtue signalling. You are lilly Allen and I claim my 5 pounds

Thank you for reading

Fly Aiprt 4th Sep 2019 11:08


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10561517)
I must apologise for the childish name-calling by certain contributors here. It is usually just a substitute for reasoned discussion. Please understand that it is not representative of the British in general, regardless of their side of the argument.

Thanks for that.
No problem.


Sallyann1234 4th Sep 2019 11:40

From today's Times:

A group of the world’s leading business federations from Japan to the US have warned Britain against crashing out of the European Union without a deal.

The organisations, representing four million companies from eight countries, say a no-deal Brexit would “create substantial disruption for businesses, workers, farmers and regulators” and has made them “gravely concerned”.

The joint letter, co-ordinated by the US Chamber of Commerce, reveals for the first time the damage no-deal would do to Britain’s standing on the global business circuit. Companies from the signatory countries invested £48 billion in the UK in 2017 but future spending would be at risk, they said.


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