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ZH875 10th Mar 2019 22:41

Martin McGuiness honoured by America
 
That well known war hero Martin McGuiness has been honoured for his courageous military service by the city of San Francisco
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-37897514.html

Steepclimb 10th Mar 2019 23:22

Well kind of weird. But at least he saw the light at the end and was a good personal friend of his once natural enemy. The Reverend Ian Paisley who also saw the light. Who most surely have waited at the gates of hell to welcome him aboard. Because both men had a lot of blood on their hands. But in the Christian sense perhaps they were forgiven.
I don't forgive either . I should mention I'm Irish and a nationalist and I consider McGuinness a traitor and terrorist and Paisley an invader and colonist who should have gone back to Paisley where he came from.
I'm black and white like that.
I was friendly with an IRA man after the troubles. I pointed out to him once that I would have shot him in the head when I was serving without a moments regret He just said 'Not if I got you first'.

But the war is over.

Maybe you should realise it too?

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BehindBlueEyes 10th Mar 2019 23:28

Never admitted to anything or disclosed where he hid the bodies though. That would have shown true repentance.

I’m from Southern Irish Catholic immigrant parents too and was ashamed by the way some of my fellow countrymen, including McGuiness and Adams, behaved. The trouble with a lot of both the IRA and the Loyalists were they were fighting over issues that were over 300 years old. Hopefully, both sides have had the sense at long last to move on.

cavortingcheetah 10th Mar 2019 23:53

Isn't this all half of what the Irish backstop is all about today, the troubles I mean of course, not the silly San Franciscans?

Tankertrashnav 11th Mar 2019 00:05

Dont worry. Somebody will discover that McGuiness made a mildly homophobic remark back around 1971 and San Francisco will immediately withdraw the "honour"!

ZFT 11th Mar 2019 02:28


Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav (Post 10413044)
Dont worry. Somebody will discover that McGuiness made a mildly homophobic remark back around 1971 and San Francisco will immediately withdraw the "honour"!

one can only hope

Ogre 11th Mar 2019 02:56

I saw a joke some time ago that Martin McGuiness (but it works equally well for Gerry Adams} went to a fortune teller and asked when he was going to die. The fortune teller got out her crystal ball, had a good old look and said "I'm a little unsure of the precise date, but I know it will happen on a day that the British military consider a great celebration". Martin thought about which dates the British military celebrated and could think of quite a few, so he replied "I think you're pulling a fast one, there are so many British military celebrations to choose from"

The fortune teller put the cover over her crystal ball, looked him in the eye and said "believe me, the day you die the British military will be celebrating....."

I always though the trouble in Northern Ireland were not politically, or even religiously based. It was just two groups of thugs who wanted power, the rest was window dressing. I'm just waiting to see if the leader of her majesties opposition is going to give his congratulations, seeing as him and MM appeared to be besties!

WingNut60 11th Mar 2019 04:07


Originally Posted by Ogre (Post 10413132)
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I always though the trouble in Northern Ireland were not politically, or even religiously based. It was just two groups of thugs who wanted power, the rest was window dressing. .......

You can apply that to just about all major conflicts.
Very few come out of pure, logical altruism.

parabellum 11th Mar 2019 09:20


Never admitted to anything or disclosed where he hid the bodies though. That would have shown true repentance.
Let us not forget that MM, when interviewed publicly, admitted, with words to the effect, "In all probability I fired the first shot on Bloody Sunday"

Effluent Man 11th Mar 2019 10:54

We'll if he did it was a master stroke tactically. The actions of the army on that day delivered a huge publicity coup to the IRA and ensured moral and financial support from the USA for decades.

BehindBlueEyes 11th Mar 2019 11:30


Originally Posted by Ogre (Post 10413132)

I always though the trouble in Northern Ireland were not politically, or even religiously based. It was just two groups of thugs who wanted power, the rest was window dressing. I'm just waiting to see if the leader of her majesties opposition is going to give his congratulations, seeing as him and MM appeared to be besties!

I think youíre right - the Catholic/Protestant thing was more about and defining which Ďgangí you belonged to rather than religious belief.

Years ago, and itís always stuck in my mind, the wonderful Dave Allen pointed out that an anagram of Rev Ian Paisley was Vile IRA Pansy.

racedo 11th Mar 2019 14:40


Originally Posted by Steepclimb (Post 10413014)

But the war is over.

Maybe you should realise it too?​
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Sadly I have seen it way too often that People and Media want to go back, dig up the dead and refight.

I asked one wannabee whether he wished to go into London of a weekend and find there was a car bomb planted that killed members of his family. He said No but we should kill them all first. I said you want to practice Genocide, So isn't it a better idea to STFU and enjoy peace.

DaveReidUK 11th Mar 2019 15:13


Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes (Post 10413540)
Years ago, and itís always stuck in my mind, the wonderful Dave Allen pointed out that an anagram of Rev Ian Paisley was Vile IRA Pansy.

In the same vein, the inestimable Noel Murphy used to quote the following news bulletin in his between-song patter (presumably tailoring the name to the audience, maybe not):

"The Reverend Ian Paisley was shot dead in Belfast last night. His condition is described as satisfactory".

er340790 11th Mar 2019 15:31

Hmmmmmmm....

Kind of makes me want to start a petition to honour The Zodiac Killer for his courageous actions in the City of San Francisco.

Or was that L.A.(???)

krismiler 12th Mar 2019 11:05

Nelson Mandela was a convicted terrorist and he was acclaimed world wide, so why not Martin McGuiness ?

The Troubles could have been avoided if the civil rights movement had been listened to in the late 1960s and the genuine Catholic grievances regarding voting rights, housing and employment been addressed. A 30 year civil war with thousands of deaths and injuries, and billions of pounds wasted need not have happened.

cdtaylor_nats 12th Mar 2019 14:09

We could build a statue in honour of the Zodiac killer's efforts to improve law enforcement agencies cooperation

racedo 12th Mar 2019 19:40


Originally Posted by krismiler (Post 10414825)
Nelson Mandela was a convicted terrorist and he was acclaimed world wide, so why not Martin McGuiness ?

The Troubles could have been avoided if the civil rights movement had been listened to in the late 1960s and the genuine Catholic grievances regarding voting rights, housing and employment been addressed. A 30 year civil war with thousands of deaths and injuries, and billions of pounds wasted need not have happened.

Reading this, perhaps may give some pause for thought.

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/...rphy-families/


BehindBlueEyes 20th Mar 2019 12:50


Doctor Cruces 23rd Mar 2019 22:17


Originally Posted by Steepclimb (Post 10413014)
Well kind of weird. But at least he saw the light at the end and was a good personal friend of his once natural enemy. The Reverend Ian Paisley who also saw the light. Who most surely have waited at the gates of hell to welcome him aboard. Because both men had a lot of blood on their hands. But in the Christian sense perhaps they were forgiven.
I don't forgive either . I should mention I'm Irish and a nationalist and I consider McGuinness a traitor and terrorist and Paisley an invader and colonist who should have gone back to Paisley where he came from.
I'm black and white like that.
I was friendly with an IRA man after the troubles. I pointed out to him once that I would have shot him in the head when I was serving without a moments regret He just said 'Not if I got you first'.

But the war is over.

Maybe you should realise it too?

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Sorry, well not really, but having been a "legitimate target" along with my family for 22 years, I find it hard to forgive the cowards who skulked in the shadows, planted bombs in bins and murdered innocent people without even the excuse of collateral damage. Just plain murdering scum and instead of that idiot Blair giving them letters of comfort they should have been sent letters of 'we will hunt you down and we will find you and we WILL bring you to justice.'

Steepclimb 23rd Mar 2019 22:53


Originally Posted by Doctor Cruces (Post 10427938)
Sorry, well not really, but having been a "legitimate target" along with my family for 22 years, I find it hard to forgive the cowards who skulked in the shadows, planted bombs in bins and murdered innocent people without even the excuse of collateral damage. Just plain murdering scum and instead of that idiot Blair giving them letters of comfort they should have been sent letters of 'we will hunt you down and we will find you and we WILL bring you to justice.'

I've no truck with the IRA. I don't forgive them and I see Sinn Fein as a barely reconstructed apologist organisation for terrorism. As you see in my post. I consider them tratiors to Ireland. Murderers and terrorists who took a legitimate political ambition and made the rest of us ashamed to believe in it.
I don't know why you were a 'legitimate target' but I still see NI as a part of Ireland still controlled by a foreign country.
I have that in common with McGuinness, yet oddly he and Paisley, another 'legitimate target' seemed to reach an accommodation.
A lesson perhaps?

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