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nomorecatering 7th Dec 2018 09:18

Why the Obsession with Autonomous Driving
 
Every car magazine, article about cars, the news, current affairs TV, car shows, press launches. All they, and governments talk about is Autonomous Driving. Many pomus TV presenters state that it will reduce the number of cars on the road by 80%. No one will want to own a car they breathlessly claim.

Most countries cannot fill in pot holes or paint lines on the road let alone maintain road infrastructure to the standard required for self driving cars.

I'm actually sick of hearing about them. A car is a status symbol, an extension of your personality. I have no interest in being picked by a self driving, silent egg.

atakacs 7th Dec 2018 09:23


Originally Posted by nomorecatering (Post 10330054)
I'm actually sick of hearing about them. A car is a status symbol, an extension of your personality. I have no interest in being picked by a self driving, silent egg.

I hear you but I'm afraid you are fighting a lost battle.

Self driving is already here (just a matter of cost) and the writing is in the wall. I'd say within a generation human driving will be forbidden.

Cheltman 7th Dec 2018 10:33

I am not sure I get the plan to solve the really difficult challenge of autonomous driving in towns and the country. Seems very difficult and not cost effective. However given how packed motorways/freeways (or whatever they are where you live) are autonomous driving must be an approach. Particularly in places where public transport is not used or available. Basically the driver is paying to be part of a train. The driver getting to the motorway, selecting destination and letting the wireless get them to the off ramp seems inevitable.

Tankertrashnav 7th Dec 2018 10:40


A car is a status symbol, an extension of your personality
Mine is a 17 year old Volvo V70 automatic estate so in that case I am both low status and boring! My only criteria for cars are that they should be easy to drive, start every time and not break down and the old Volvo fits all the bills. If I could teach it to drive itself I would!

surely not 7th Dec 2018 10:52


Self driving is already here (just a matter of cost) and the writing is in the wall. I'd say within a generation human driving will be forbidden.
The opportunity for mammoth queues is huge as the small side roads are no longer used with everyone being sent down major routes. Not sure how this new technology will cope with the myriad of small lanes and farmers dirt tracks that are still required for access in many areas.

Who will pay the speeding fine if the autonomous vehicle hasn't been updated with a temporary restriction or has just plain been incorrectly programmed?

Pontius Navigator 7th Dec 2018 10:59

Cheltman, a perfect example. Go further. Your motorway no longer needs to be a strip on concrete 3-4 lanes wide. It can be discrete lanes like a railway.

An autonomous pod is fine for running around a city from park and ride, but my car is a luggage carrier. I have umbrellas, rainwear, footwear and luggage. It is also a mobile safe. I would not want to take all just-in-case stuff with me and use a left property facility - remember them?

jolihokistix 7th Dec 2018 11:03

Why the Obsession with Autonomous Driving ?

Oh, come on, it's obvious. (Even Lemmings know the answer.)

cattletruck 7th Dec 2018 11:04

Recently a motoring lift-out that I regularly read did something quite remarkable and critically investigated the truth about autonomous driving systems. The went through the systems of all the major manufacturers of this technology picking at features and flaws even looking at it from multiple points of view including legal ones.

In the end they concluded that all these autonomous driving systems are nothing more than marketing fluff as they all required human supervision to comply with all legal aspects of being in control of a moving vehicle. As driving is not particularly difficult then you got to agree with their final conclusion.

hiflymk3 7th Dec 2018 11:21


Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav (Post 10330135)
Mine is a 17 year old Volvo V70 automatic estate so In that case I am both low status and boring! My only criteria for cars are that they should be easy to drive, start every time and not break down and the old Volvo fits both bills. If I could teach it to drive itself I would!

I'm with you on that, except mine's a Saab 95 auto estate and I love it.

I remember the 60/70s the AA published a magazine which had features about cars and living in the 21st century. There were illustrations of driverless pod like cars with happy occupants cruising down motorways that weaved between mile high skyscraper cities and a landscaped countryside. It looked sanitised and very boring and thankfully that vision hasn't happened in the UK yet. Electric cars yes but completely driverless on all our roads, I can't see it here in the near future.

PS, with the O2 meltdown yesterday imagine the chaos if similar occurred on autonomous roads.

I only need a car to get me from A to B, trouble is I live in Kew and work in Wye.

A_Van 7th Dec 2018 11:22

Even if autonomous vehicles market appears to be a minor part of the whole market, it is still a multi-billion business. Hundreds of market research volumes have written covering various of use cases, risk analyses, etc. The bell started tolling some 10-12 years ago after successful DARPA Grand Challenge 2005. No way to reverse this trend.

But what a problem? Those who do not like (or even simply hate) driverless cars may not use them. Like those who "conceptually" do not use public transportation and prefer a "door-to-door" driving.
I will hardly imagine the situation when I would prefer not have a car and enjoy robots serving me, but maybe for my grand-grand kids this would not sound ugly...

meadowrun 7th Dec 2018 12:29

Nanny State concepts.

...although looking at the masses, your average, LCD, few skills drivers, get worse every year.

They will bring all sorts of new types of accidents.

G0ULI 7th Dec 2018 12:56

Autonomous trains operate in strictly controlled environments and yet even they are few and far between. All the great inventions that have taken off are those that grant people greater individual freedom, or the illusion of freedom. Cars themselves, motorcycles, light aircraft, smart phones and home computers to give just some examples. The demand just doesn't exist for driverless cars outside of crowded cities and even there a decent and efficient mass transport system would suit many people. While the ability to create a driverless car exists, most people see it as taking something away from their personal freedom. That is why they are unlikely to succeed in the marketplace.

Blacksheep 7th Dec 2018 13:30


They will bring all sorts of new types of accidents.
Autonomous cars are very few and far beteen but they have already managed to kill quite a few people.

racedo 7th Dec 2018 13:31


Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav (Post 10330135)
Mine is a 17 year old Volvo V70 automatic estate so in that case I am both low status and boring!!

Kind of difficult to argue against you on that. :p

FakePilot 7th Dec 2018 13:39

I think fools read "Golly Gee Technology" and believe it. I don't think it's impossible, but I think the actual self driving car you can sleep in on your way to work will be very different from expectations.
Wait, what was that about a glideslope in Hong Kong? Do you know how inaccurate sin/cos functions in computers are?

racedo 7th Dec 2018 13:43

Personally think that increasing use of Public transport could eliminate the personal posession of a car. Many people in London do not own a car as have zero need, same with other major cities. We are all wedded to chucking 10-15k on a car and spending 1-2k a year just to have posession.

Make public transport FREE, increase it massively and use constant feeder services to hubs.

Yup you want to go to Bluewater Mall in Kent and spend a day shopping............ then pack it all in car and drive home. Why not change the dynamic, go shopping decide what you want, pay for it, store will deliver it next day along with every other thing you bought at the Mall. You go and have a nice meal, go to cinema and take transport home knowing that tomorrow everything you saw instore will be delivered right to your door.

Now you have changed the dynamic completely and maybe even better for the stores as you want X of which they have 5 on show, instead of you picking up what is instore they fulfil it from a logistics warehouse. Means they keep 5 instore on display, same in every store BUT crucially they don't replenish the store unless someone buys and takes it with them.

TURIN 7th Dec 2018 13:54


Originally Posted by nomorecatering (Post 10330054)
A car is a status symbol, an extension of your personality. I have no interest in being picked by a self driving, silent egg.

It may well be an extension of your personality. For the rest of us its a means to an end. Unless everyone has the personality of a five door hatchback as those seem to be the most common.

Sultan Ismail 7th Dec 2018 14:08

Driverless Wheelchairs
 
I recently transferred through Changi Airport Singapore and saw a train of driverless wheel chairs. The lead chair was occupied, followed by 10 other chairs some occupied others not with a 6" gap between each chair.
No physical connection between the chairs but absolutely even spacing, they came through at more than walking pace and were weaving through the pedestrian traffic. The image of empty wheel chairs weaving through the terminal is still with me.
I must say I think it is a good idea for airport terminals, Changi T3 is a good candidate venue for the Marathon.

racedo 7th Dec 2018 14:26


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 10330315)
It may well be an extension of your personality. For the rest of us its a means to an end. Unless everyone has the personality of a five door hatchback as those seem to be the most common.

I rent a car when I need one, this year for 4 months I used a car on 6 days, course if I had it I would have used it even more. But now if I need stuff I walk a mile to the shops and bring back what is needed.

Ancient Observer 7th Dec 2018 14:31

TTN,
are you the one that always sits in the outside lane of any motorway I am on at 69.9 mph?

Volvo estates are generally driven by teachers who long to teach their version of driving to everyone else on the road.


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