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Gertrude the Wombat 4th Dec 2018 18:28

Originally Posted by TWT (Post 10327279)
Yes. But that's because many of us had to or we'd be walking.

Worked for ours - if they didn't fix their bikes they'd be walking. Didn't take long before they were angling for us to pay them to fix our bikes.

Originally Posted by TWT (Post 10327279)
I did walk a few times pushing the bike in the rain when I didn't have a vulcanising kit available.

Something changed over the decades, either in the tubes or the patches or the glue. Once Upon A Time you could glue a patch on and the puncture would stay mended. These days there's such a small chance of that that I just replace the tube. Which I haven't had to do anyway since switching to Marathons.

obgraham 4th Dec 2018 19:40

Maybe all is not lost, although the increased complexity and general unrepairability of modern stuff is part of the problem.

I live in a town where 60-70 percent of the population is Hispanic. Many of them recent arrivals. Those guys can fix stuff, and are very innovative. They also are not rich, so they often don't like the prices at the Big Box Joints. However there all sorts of little supply joints where you can find darn near anything, usually in the back under a pile of something else. That's where these locals go, and that's where I found that garage door gasket I needed in just the length I needed.

We also have a few smaller chains, like the aptly named "Tacoma Screw", where you can get, well, screws. In the size, shape, and quantity you need. (Naughty boys, you lot!)

Loose rivets 5th Dec 2018 01:23

My lovely old Progress No.1 was about the best thing I ever bought. I wish I'd kept that and let the wife go. You can even get solid state speed controls for them now. The drills, not the wife. (You have to use a 3 phase motor even when driven by single phase) They ever run backwards. The Hitachi drill press I got in the US was made in China. :ugh: Not too bad, but had to make a keeper-downer device (by using the torque grove bolt.) Nothing compared to the Progress.

Dremel machines. Old ones are best. Real Bakelite. A MUST is getting a foot pedal for same. Buy an old sewing machine just for the pedal.

Parting with stuff. I finally got my old workbench back from a pal with a shed. About 15 years in there. Nice clutch wood-vice. Used to be I could take the top off and carry it up a ladder. Now I could barely move it. Four more years and I gave it to a young lady who's mum had asked on the local forum for tools. The lass was working restoring boats. Once in the giving mode, their van left with most of the stuff I'd got in the UK. I've still got a lot of stuff in Texas, but I imagine that's where it will stay. My plane was my mom's as were a couple of the chisels I gave the girl back here. Given up on prices in the UK for do-uppers. My borrowed bungalow was over 200 grand as was, and it needed masses of stuff done. It was bought by a developer and is renting at 1000 a month - for a semi. I bridged a loan for a pal for one two doors down. 9 grand brand new. 1970. If only I'd had a crystal ball.

I took stuff to Texas over a long period of not needing my suitcases. Odd thing about security. I took all kinds of tools that must have looked very odd during screening. My wife's case was picked out for a check with now't but frocks and things in it. Then came the reduction of cases for ordinary mortals. Never did use my one time repatriation thing due to being preoccupied with life's little issues. Heck, just remembered, my best AVO 8 is still there, and my Aristo flying computer. Oh, and my best slide-rule. I just don't know how folk exist without one of those.

krismiler 5th Dec 2018 02:22

The depth to which items are repaired says a lot about the wealth of a country. In the richer countries stuff is simply thrown away when it goes wrong and replaced with a more up to date item. In poorer Asian countries there is a whole cottage industry around repairing consumer goods as these are major expenses and have to last. A washing machine is often dismantled, the motor rewound, brushes replaced and reassembled. Broken straps or buckles on shoes get mended and there is always someone with a sewing machine to repair clothes.

I would rather buy something designed with ease of maintenance in mind than the most sophisticated but throw away equivalent.

double_barrel 5th Dec 2018 04:56

I am surprised that no-one has mentioned 3D printing. I suspect the new man-cave-workshop will have a 3D printer at its heart and the next gen of old farts will be asking how young people manage without them. For one-off custom parts to keep something going, or build something from scratch, 3D printing is fantastic and will only get better and cheaper in the next few years as hardware and software improves AND as a database of pre designed widgets accumulates.

stevef 5th Dec 2018 05:12

You see a lot of clever bush fixes in Africa. I wish I'd taken a photo of a ripped truck tyre that had about a third of its sidewall held together with a fence wire herringbone stitch. That takes some doing! On the other hand, I wasn't too impressed with some of their aircraft repairs.

Pontius Navigator 5th Dec 2018 07:48

Cattletruck, what comes first today, house or cave? Pretty obviously reallt given lack of caves.

When we downsized I had a tool cull but insisted a large garage was nonnegotiable. Took ages getting all the packing boxes cleared away. All MY stuff was buried as Mrs PN would 'just put this in the garage'. Finally .when there was room to move I bought a load of racking and was finally able to find tools make a work bench etc.

The next problem was where to site the shed. I had had 3 and a spare garage. This garden doesn't have a discrete area, it is large but nothing where you could put up a shed as there is no 'side' it is all 'show' so Mrs PN insisted on pretty.

Found a barn style not far from here. Levelled the ground, bought the shed, too my time and roofed in a couple of days. Took about a week to paint and tittyvate, adding shelves and racks.

So the answer is obvious. You need a B&D Workmate, mine is blue, 50 years old. I have a companion Wallmate and of course its baby Walkmate (Jobber).

Pontius Navigator 5th Dec 2018 07:53

Ever tried to replace a toaster element or kettle ring?

They are the Ultimate disposable items. Mrs PN would change them every couple of years if she could.

I think we have had 3, maybe 4, in 50 years. The lattest is this year after Mrs PN descalled the Delonghi. After the descale it leaked like a sieve. Jug kettles, pah.

racedo 5th Dec 2018 08:54

Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10328280)
Jug kettles, pah.

Remember growing up and the number of cases where kids were scalded by pulling electric kettles on top of themselves, including one classmate who had done so when 3.
Must admit much prefer them now as remove the chance a littlie can get scaled.

sitigeltfel 5th Dec 2018 09:08

We have one of the Bosch kettles in this video, and as he says, the beeps are very annoying. However, he provides a highly technical DIY solution to eliminate them...


cattletruck 5th Dec 2018 09:37

3D printing as a new development is actually rather boring.

Nothing beats a session of metal fabrication which involves pounding, folding, grinding, drilling, reaming, joining, filing, polishing, etc - what fun - except when my killjoy nut job neighbour urinates besides my garage which cuts short the fun short - but I'm ready for that having already factored it into the planning. Same goes with woodwork.

The things I have made in a garage environment are just too numerous to count, all of them custom jobs for a one-off purpose, many of them over-engineered, many of them relatively cheap (if not factoring in my time), and many of them still doing what they were meant to do after so many years if not decades.

I once tried making a list of all the major DIY tasks I've done but kept finding things I'd long forgotten about so gave up.

Long live the shed/garage.

G-CPTN 5th Dec 2018 10:31

My father started his working life repairing cycles at Halfords, and, as I grew up in the immediate post-War era I was taught 'make-do-and-mend' - nothing was ever thrown away, things were either repaired or used to repair (or build) other items.

Pontius Navigator 5th Dec 2018 10:38

Originally Posted by G-CPTN (Post 10328402)
My father started his working life repairing cycles at Halfords, and, as I grew up in the immediate post-War era I was taught 'make-do-and-mend' - nothing was ever thrown away, things were either repaired or used to repair (or build) other items.

Remember tin plate clock work trains etc? Was there a boy that didn't fold back the little metal tabs and take off the body to see how it worked?

I think one of my most interesting demantles was the plastic bodied Sherman tank. The gearing so it was realistically slow, the cam to rotate the turret and the bellows to fire the gun smoke.

krismiler 5th Dec 2018 11:17

China has changed the way we live, with cheap manufactured goods. Kettles and toasters for a fiver, microwaves for fifty quid. Already they dominate at the lower quality end and are improving all the time. Setting up a factory producing poor quality spanners takes a lot of investment with constructing the building, buying the machinery and creating the workforce. The step up to better quality products is much easier and highly profitable, source better steel, improve staff training, polish the spanners, put them in a nice case and give a 2 year guarantee.

Now you can charge 3 times as much for them. Soon no one will be able to compete. Back in the 1970s "Made in Japan" meant rubbish, in the 1980s "Made in Korea" was a warning to potential buyers. Stand by for a seachange.

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 5th Dec 2018 11:22

People who pay $18.00 for "smashed Avo's on toast" don't fix things. They just buy new ones.

Pontius Navigator 5th Dec 2018 11:41

TIEW, cost/benefit - cash rich - time poor is fed by cheap disposable products from Asia. This feeds our increasing mounds of non recyclable waste.

They change the colour of garden furniture encouraging one-season use (no storage). They change trivial design changes and colours of everything to encourage new purchasing.

Of Made in Japan, in the 50s they were imitators and my father said their weakness was poor metal and bad screw threads. Made in Birmingham was a guarantee of life time use. Which is the better business model? :(

racedo 5th Dec 2018 12:55

Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10328450)
Of Made in Japan, in the 50s they were imitators and my father said their weakness was poor metal and bad screw threads. Made in Birmingham was a guarantee of life time use. Which is the better business model? :(

Not always. Leyland cars were made in Birmingham................ nuff said.

Pontius Navigator 5th Dec 2018 12:57

Racedo, I meant stampedMade in Birmingham not made in Birmingham. :)

racedo 5th Dec 2018 14:37

Anybody who has read World War Z, (movie was crud) will see in a post apolyptic world, people needed were those who had basic manual skills to fix and repair stuff. In US it was blue collar, mostly immigrants who knew how stuff was made and repaired. The ones with little useful skill were the Lawyers, Accountants, Manager etc etc who really had little to offer..

Got littlie to read the book, as he is a voracious reader of books, one great trait happy to pass down. I keep telling him to learn basic skills because a time will come when they may be needed. Even if they are never needed he will have the basic skill rather than a constant idea to always buy something new.

More of a bodger than DIYer but helped rewire here, redec it, paint it etc. Plan is to acquire a place in rural France than is a fixer upper, then get littlie to join me in doing it up. Not worried if takes a long time, this is a project for fun and learning.

wowzz 5th Dec 2018 14:48

My BiL, an international accountant, retired to live on his boat in Malaysia. He liked to recount that amongst all the wealthy expats with their posh boats, the most important expat of them all was the diesel mechanic!

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