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treadigraph 25th Jan 2018 18:20


We met a lady at one party who was an up market dominatrix, charging 250 an hour for her services
Did you have a whip round EM?


I will admit that if those " hostesses" chose to take part and were fully informed of what would be happening then I have no objection per se to it taking place.
Me neither, it's a matter for the individual; I have no wish to be a part of such an event though, and I'd be disappointed if my friends or colleagues were.

Dutystude 25th Jan 2018 18:33


Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat (Post 10031458)
This is usually explained in great detail in the speeches, it's not exactly hidden My favourite Burns night venue is a Cambridge college where the former Master's wife would surprise some of the foreign students somewhat by making a rather obscene address "to the laddies".

Of course Gertie but, although by modern lights a completely disreputable piece of work, he is still lionised and celebrated. Including by those getting their panties in a bunch over the subject of this thread.

How odd.

Mr Optimistic 25th Jan 2018 19:57

The whole thing sounds gruesome, including the faux Scottish bash.

Jack D 25th Jan 2018 20:08

The hysteria is getting out of control as a thoroughly respectable and very erudite woman recently said to me its all a bit of a storm in a C cup
Pity about the lost charity monies

KelvinD 25th Jan 2018 23:29

Hysteria? The morning the story broke, BBC radio interviewed the FT reporter who broke the story. And in her opening couple of sentences, she described how men had "stuck their hands up her skirt". If that had happened to any female relative of mine, there would have been bloodshed, never mind your so-called "hysteria"!
Call me old fashioned but I was brought up to respect others and in particular to respect women.
People who behave in this appalling manner should be, quite simply, put down.

RatherBeFlying 26th Jan 2018 02:35

Two Types of Ladies There
 
A cursory reading of the reports is that one group of ladies took offense while the other group looked at it as opportunity:E

The recruiters screwed up big time:}

Go Smoke 26th Jan 2018 04:08

I can attest to the frothing mess I saw women get into at chippendale gigs. In my dim distant past I used to do security for them. I would be one of the few males mixed with the audience. I used to get grabbed, pinched, and slapped black and blue. I took to wearing a cricket box to protect my nads such were the assaults.
I never saw men behave in such a manner en masse.

Effluent Man 26th Jan 2018 04:58


Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying (Post 10031902)
A cursory reading of the reports is that one group of ladies took offense while the other group looked at it as opportunity:E

The recruiters screwed up big time:}

And that, in a nutshell, sums up the problem. Mrs EM in her youth worked as a Saturday girl in a frozen food shop where the manager was in the habit of touching up the young female employees. She recalls it with a degree of humour and thinks that it just went with the territory. Other young women were quite clearly horrified and offended by such shenanigans.

I think given the circumstances it really should be expected that men should not grope young women unless the gropee displays some kind of invitation for that to happen. Of course we then come up against the problem of the woman in a position subservience to a man who thinks that her acceptance of such behaviour is part of the deal. That really is unacceptable.

sitigeltfel 26th Jan 2018 07:32

It is widely known, that Labours Keith Vaz is a big fan of all male parties, where young meat is freely available!

;)

NutLoose 26th Jan 2018 08:01

I bet it makes for interesting times back home for those males that did attend.. I bet their wives are over the moon with the revelations.

ORAC 26th Jan 2018 11:01

It’s not really about the girls. The whole point is to stick a whole load of Alpha males in a room and watch as they try to show they are top of the heap by outspending each other in the auction and how much better than they are at attracting younger fertile females. It goes back to the behaviour of the ape pack - and is exactly what is aimed for b6 those collecting for charity.

get them alone in their offices or with their families and they won’t behave the same way - and won’t donate anywhere near as much.

Yes, it’s puerile male chest thumping, that’s the point. It’s pointless getting hypocritical about it, it is - literally - the nature of the beast. And searching out and stopping all similar ego stroking charity events will only in the long run the recipients.

The charities in this case have handed back 500,000+ . Multiply that ten fold in the rest of this year alone.

TURIN 26th Jan 2018 11:17


Hysteria? The morning the story broke, BBC radio interviewed the FT reporter who broke the story. And in her opening couple of sentences, she described how men had "stuck their hands up her skirt". If that had happened to any female relative of mine, there would have been bloodshed, never mind your so-called "hysteria"!
Call me old fashioned but I was brought up to respect others and in particular to respect women.
People who behave in this appalling manner should be, quite simply, put down.
Spot on, apart from the last line.

A short test for all the dinasoars on here that think this sort of behaviour is ok, If you have a daughter and she was put in that room, to be subjected to such behaviour, would you be happy about it?

Training Risky 26th Jan 2018 11:50


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 10032165)
Spot on, apart from the last line.

A short test for all the dinasoars on here that think this sort of behaviour is ok, If you have a daughter and she was put in that room, to be subjected to such behaviour, would you be happy about it?

Pure hysteria and hand-wringing. A bit sinister, like the thought police, or the Handmaid's Tale - telling us all how to think. This kind of virtue-signalling has brought many many men into court on false charges - read the news.

Any underage daughter of mine would be kept well away from such an event and line of work.

Any 'of-age' daughter of mine is a sentient adult and free to chose her own way in life. I am sure that with the right through-life training, she would take one look at the:

1. Hostess uniform and underwear requirements,
2. The large bundle of cash on offer for 'hosting',
3. The location, clientele and atmosphere,
4. Non-disclosure agreement (bit of a giveaway TBH!!!)

and refuse said cash with the words "No thanks, I am not a prostitute or a snowflake!. Any other women here with the right to work can crack on."

TURIN 26th Jan 2018 12:38


I am sure that with the right through-life training...
Yes, the world is full of people that have that benefit isn't it.

For those that haven't what you are saying is they are too dumb to know better so, tough!

This is 2018, not the middle ages. All men should know better.
Ask yourself another question, if there was video footage of you at this event sliding your hand up the dress of one of these women, how would your family react? Mine would be appalled, rightly so.

Condoning this sort of behaviour is disgraceful. Shame on all of you who do so.

pax britanica 26th Jan 2018 12:45

Should charities return money from such events ?

To me-being a cynical they are only doing it out of political correctness and a fear of a tabloid headline. There is no moral reason to give the money back-it was charity event people paid huge amounts to attend a probably modest dinner -the girls weren't strippers (is that a word one can use today) and they certainly should not have been subject to unwarranted physical attention but have their been any complaints to the police (ever been to an old bill charity event !!!!!) Has anyone been arrested, was the money proceeds of crime, .

Sure a bit of an error of judgement on some peoples behalf but as long as women only events and venues exist why shouldnt mens events.i am not talking about things like golf club membership.

we do seem to be becoming a very prudish lot l, except of course when on holiday in foreign lands when its apparently perfectly ok to become disgustingly drunk , wear inappropriate clothing and get very 'engaged' with the opposite sex in public , even though the public might be a pleasant open space full of children in traditonally conservative and catholic countries .

Gertrude the Wombat 26th Jan 2018 12:58


Originally Posted by pax britanica (Post 10032227)
To me-being a cynical they are only doing it out of political correctness and a fear of a tabloid headline. There is no moral reason to give the money back...

May be fear of legal challenge. For example the charity might have in its rules that it does not benefit from the profits of prostitution or from the profits of making victims available for sexual assault, and there's always going to be some clever clogs somewhere who will launch a JR or whatever if you ignore such rules.

Grayfly 26th Jan 2018 13:37


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 10032223)

what you are saying is

All men should know better.

how would your family react? Mine would be appalled, rightly so.

Condoning this sort of behaviour is disgraceful. Shame on all of you who do so.

You appear to be implying that everyone contributing to this discussion condones improper behaviour and we should all share your view. I hope that's not the case as discussion becomes rather limited.

Krystal n chips 26th Jan 2018 13:54


Originally Posted by pax britanica (Post 10032227)
Should charities return money from such events ?

To me-being a cynical they are only doing it out of political correctness and a fear of a tabloid headline. There is no moral reason to give the money back-it was charity event people paid huge amounts to attend a probably modest dinner -the girls weren't strippers (is that a word one can use today) and they certainly should not have been subject to unwarranted physical attention but have their been any complaints to the police (ever been to an old bill charity event !!!!!) Has anyone been arrested, was the money proceeds of crime, .

Sure a bit of an error of judgement on some peoples behalf but as long as women only events and venues exist why shouldnt mens events.i am not talking about things like golf club membership.

we do seem to be becoming a very prudish lot l, except of course when on holiday in foreign lands when its apparently perfectly ok to become disgustingly drunk , wear inappropriate clothing and get very 'engaged' with the opposite sex in public , even though the public might be a pleasant open space full of children in traditonally conservative and catholic countries .

26th January ( bit early really ) and the first nomination for the Annual " JB Understatement of the Year" award goes to......see above

The repercussions from this "bit of an error " are still emerging ....here's some to be going on with....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ected-by-party

As for the modest food and the cost, well lets say it clearly wasn't attended for the culinary delights on offer.

There's every moral reason, and it's nice to see that morals do still prevail, when it comes to this returning the money raised by this event.....this is 2018 for a start.

Prudery ?......I suggest you think of a sexual activity, then do a search for the subject...you may be amazed at what you find. However, there's just one rather relevant difference......consensual, and.... informed consent perhaps ?.

And then there was that "little bit of paper" the women were required to sign.....why should that be if this was just a purely charity fund raising dinner then ? and why has the club now closed I wonder ?

As for the men / women only clubs and events, fine ( did you watch the interview with Jess Philips in this respect and note her response ? ) but not when it comes down to the level of abuse that allegedly occurred in this instance.

But I do agree that the British abroad can, and are, objectionable to everybody as you say. A positive embarrassment in fact and to be avoided wherever possible if you are can do so.

goudie 26th Jan 2018 14:05

To some of the ' disgusted from.......wherever', who've posted on here may I suggest you send a meaningful sum of money to those charities that have felt obligated to return their money gifted by this event.

Highway1 26th Jan 2018 14:27


Originally Posted by pax britanica (Post 10032227)
Should charities return money from such events ?

To me-being a cynical they are only doing it out of political correctness and a fear of a tabloid headline. There is no moral reason to give the money back-it was charity event people paid huge amounts to attend a probably modest dinner -the girls weren't strippers (is that a word one can use today) and they certainly should not have been subject to unwarranted physical attention but have their been any complaints to the police (ever been to an old bill charity event !!!!!) Has anyone been arrested, was the money proceeds of crime, .

More to the point, can they legally return money.

The Trustees of the Charity have a legal duty to demonstrate that refusing money is in the commercial interests of the charity - if they already have the money then they have to demonstrate to the Charity Commission that making such payments would be in the interests of the charity. In this particular case who would they return the money to as the Presidents club no longer exists and that is before you get into any taxation issues. If they try to return the money to individuals they may well refuse because it could affect their tax liability..

Far better just to take the money and treat some sick kids..


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