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ExXB 25th Jan 2018 11:38

Bring back legalised prostitution, with controls in place to ensure providers are there willingly and are not being exploited.

There is a need for the 'oldest profession'. Better that it is not hidden behind closed doors.

VP959 25th Jan 2018 11:47


Originally Posted by ExXB (Post 10031096)
Bring back legalised prostitution, with controls in place to ensure providers are there willingly and are not being exploited.

There is a need for the 'oldest profession'. Better that it is not hidden behind closed doors.

I'm pretty sure that prostitution is legal here, and probably always has been.

I don't know all the laws relating to it, but have a feeling that the most usual offence is "living from immoral earnings", which was a law intended to stop the operation of brothels, with the brothel madam taking a cut of the take and living from it.

Certainly there are areas where prostitutes can be found openly "plying for trade" in most cities. Residents often complain when girls are working in residential areas, but I have a feeling that all the police can do is ask the girls to move on, or go after kerb crawlers. I'm not sure what the law is regarding kerb crawlers, but the police seem to have enough power to be able to move them on.

Given that prostitution is never likely to go away, I agree that it would make a lot more sense to make brothels legal and regulated, if only on the grounds of the health and safety of the prostitutes themselves.

yellowtriumph 25th Jan 2018 12:19


Originally Posted by VP959 (Post 10031103)
I'm pretty sure that prostitution is legal here, and probably always has been.

I don't know all the laws relating to it, but have a feeling that the most usual offence is "living from immoral earnings", which was a law intended to stop the operation of brothels, with the brothel madam taking a cut of the take and living from it.

Certainly there are areas where prostitutes can be found openly "plying for trade" in most cities. Residents often complain when girls are working in residential areas, but I have a feeling that all the police can do is ask the girls to move on, or go after kerb crawlers. I'm not sure what the law is regarding kerb crawlers, but the police seem to have enough power to be able to move them on.

Given that prostitution is never likely to go away, I agree that it would make a lot more sense to make brothels legal and regulated, if only on the grounds of the health and safety of the prostitutes themselves.

Where I used to live there was a well known road providing prostitution services. The local residents not engaged in it were pretty hacked off with the pretty relentless 24hr kerb crawling that went on and felt that it reduced the quality of their lives as they went about their normal business. The police would occasionally attend, pull over the kerb crawlers and ask what they were up to. They would invariably say that they were 'just passing through'.

Then the council permanently closed off one end of the road so that it was no longer possible to 'just pass through'. I believe its called a 'light bulb' moment - but perhaps hopefully not a 'red light bulb' moment!

eal401 25th Jan 2018 12:59

One simple question - why was the female FT journalist at a men only event?

I will not condemn men-only events however as plenty of female-only events exist.

Effluent Man 25th Jan 2018 13:06

I think you will find that she was under cover( pun intended) pretending to be one of the paid " hostesses".

VP959 25th Jan 2018 13:08


Originally Posted by eal401 (Post 10031175)
One simple question (and for the benefit of KnC, I do not condone the behaviour of the men involved. I suspect you'll be able to find offence elsewhere, it is a talent of yours. Just like most trolls.) - why was the female FT journalist at a men only event?

I will not condemn men-only events however as plenty of female-only events exist.

She went there posing as a worker, specifically one of the 150 hostesses that were employed for the event.

Her intention in going in undercover seems clear; she wanted to see if there were any examples of affluent men behaving badly at an all-male event. I suspect she was motivated by the recent media coverage of powerful men behaving inappropriately towards women, and in turn I strongly suspect that the media focus on that was driven by the election of a US president who allegedly admitted to groping women.

Edited to add: I cross posted this with the post above.

Gertrude the Wombat 25th Jan 2018 13:16


Originally Posted by VP959 (Post 10031184)
I suspect she was motivated by the recent media coverage of powerful men behaving inappropriately towards women, and in turn I strongly suspect that the media focus on that was driven by the election of a US president who allegedly admitted to groping women.

She may simply have been motivated by reports or rumours of sexual assaults taking place in previous years, and thought this could make a story if true.

Which it was and did. You do get some competent journos doing their job properly.

G-CPTN 25th Jan 2018 13:22

I have seen references to the allegation that some of the hostesses were, in fact, prostitutes.

When you consider the social scene in most cities, nightclubs appear to be sources of sexual services (whether paid for or gratis) - so what was the problem with this event?

As I mentioned earlier, these girls were told what to expect and were given the option to withdraw.

As I see it, they were paid with the expectation that some ribaldry would occur.

I presume that further services were negotiable at extra cost?

VP959 25th Jan 2018 13:45


Originally Posted by G-CPTN (Post 10031196)
I have seen references to the allegation that some of the hostesses were, in fact, prostitutes.

When you consider the social scene in most cities, nightclubs appear to be sources of sexual services (whether paid for or gratis) - so what was the problem with this event?

As I mentioned earlier, these girls were told what to expect and were given the option to withdraw.

As I see it, they were paid with the expectation that some ribaldry would occur.

I presume that further services were negotiable at extra cost?

Only once have I been at an event where I was told beforehand that there would be some "entertainment ladies" available, if I was interested, and that they would make it clear that they were available if required. This was a party in Japan, hosted by a well-known Japanese radar manufacturer.

I was told by my host that it was normal to provide some "entertainment ladies", as the guests from the Japanese Ministry of Telecommunications often asked for them......................

(to be clear, I did not accept any offers!).

rog747 25th Jan 2018 13:48


Originally Posted by Effluent Man (Post 10031180)
I think you will find that she was under cover( pun intended) pretending to be one of the paid " hostesses".

so because of that planted FT bint the charities now stupidly cut their noses off to spite their faces and lose out on millions of £££ of donations coz of a bit lad ''fun'' that the so called hostesses knew what they were getting in to

well done FT

goudie 25th Jan 2018 13:50

As a matter of interest, did any of the genuine hostesses make a formal complaint regarding the men's behavior?

G-CPTN 25th Jan 2018 14:22

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
 
Undercover reporter: Hostesses 'groped at men-only event'.


She agreed that she went 'knowing that such behaviour had occurred at previous events' . . .

SpringHeeledJack 25th Jan 2018 14:57

I was listening to the radio earlier and during a phone-in, a veteran of 12years service as a hostess (to supplement her professional dancing career) explained that being a party hostess entailed being happy, smiley, friendly, warm, helpful, pleasant looking, vivacious. Definitely NOT a waitress, barmaid, or server. More someone responsible for the mood of the event. She said that in her 12 years she'd never witnessed anyone being sexually assaulted or attacked. If anyone of the inebriated guests got 'too friendly' they were rebuffed firmly, but kindly with humour and charm.

sitigeltfel 25th Jan 2018 15:01


Originally Posted by eal401 (Post 10031175)
One simple question - why was the female FT journalist at a men only event?

It will be interesting to see how the FT fares after this stunt. Their main audience is the male dominated business sector and sticking the knife into your target market strikes me as not being a sound business strategy!

Dutystude 25th Jan 2018 16:53

I wonder how many of the ĎMaiden-Auntsí currently swooning and reaching for the smelling salts spent some time this week raising a toast to good old Robbie Burns.

Thatís Robbie Burns the sexually incontinent predatory male with a particular taste in seducing (abusing in modern parlance) young, unprotected working girls.

What a scamp he was

NutLoose 25th Jan 2018 16:56

I suppose a womens hen's night with the likes of the Chippendales is a saintly affair..

Gertrude the Wombat 25th Jan 2018 17:47


Originally Posted by Dutystude (Post 10031402)
I wonder how many of the ĎMaiden-Auntsí currently swooning and reaching for the smelling salts spent some time this week raising a toast to good old Robbie Burns.

Thatís Robbie Burns the sexually incontinent predatory male with a particular taste in seducing (abusing in modern parlance) young, unprotected working girls.

What a scamp he was

This is usually explained in great detail in the speeches, it's not exactly hidden My favourite Burns night venue is a Cambridge college where the former Master's wife would surprise some of the foreign students somewhat by making a rather obscene address "to the laddies".

Gertrude the Wombat 25th Jan 2018 17:49


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10031405)
I suppose a womens hen's night with the likes of the Chippendales is a saintly affair..

"The likes of the Chippendales" would, however, probably be willing participants. Some of the girls in this case might well have been, but others reportedly weren't aware that the punters had been told they were free to sexually assault them.

Effluent Man 25th Jan 2018 18:11

As I said earlier in the thread I'm not a prude. I've been to the kind of parties that the News of the World used to make a living from reporting the goings on at for decades. But all those who went there knew exactly what was going to happen over the course of the evening.

This is completely different. I will admit that if those " hostesses" chose to take part and were fully informed of what would be happening then I have no objection per se to it taking place. But I don't suppose that we will ever discover if that was in fact the nature of it.

It's not all a one way street admittedly. We met a lady at one party who was an up market dominatrix, charging £250 an hour for her services. It would be hard to put forward a case for her being exploited.

BehindBlueEyes 25th Jan 2018 18:20

You could almost argue that the organisers were technically acting as pimps as, although they were paying the females, they were making money out of their services. It reminds me very much of the geisha system in Japan; women paid to make men feel good by stroking their egos, therefore, they are more likely to part with their cash.

Would the charities have benefitted as much had it been a simple posh dinner ( plus wives/ girlfriends) with the opportunity to bid or raffle for some extravagant prizes?


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