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Seldomfitforpurpose 10th Sep 2015 06:32

Should add we were in Dicks Sporting Goods in Santa Rosa this afternoon, very sexy selection of shotguns :ok:

West Coast 11th Sep 2015 03:38

Should have picked one up simply because you could!

Well, not sure of the rules for furrineers, but you get the idea.

Seldomfitforpurpose 11th Sep 2015 05:26


Originally Posted by West Coast (Post 9112834)
Should have picked one up simply because you could!

Well, not sure of the rules for furrineers, but you get the idea.

Getting it home would have proved problematic 👍

West Coast 11th Sep 2015 13:39

I would have held on to it for ya.

Standard visitation rights given of course. Much the same as the AR I have to keep in Arizona.

Hempy 13th Sep 2015 07:12


chuks 14th Sep 2015 19:08

Here's one just for Hempy ....
 
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts....
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real
figures from Down Under.
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to
surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own
government, a program costing Australia taxpayers
more than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria.....
lone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.(Note that
while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not
and criminals still possess their guns!)
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady
decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins andassaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns....' You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.
The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the
hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note Americans, before it's too late!
Will you be one of the sheep to turn yours in?
WHY? You will need it.
FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.
BE ONE OF THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO WON 'T STAND FOR NONSENSE

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

Found on another site. I have no idea if this is correct or not, but it makes interesting reading! What say you, Hempy? Is it on the up and up?

oicur12.again 14th Sep 2015 19:48

"I have no idea if this is correct or not, but it makes interesting reading"

If you dont know how accurate the article is, then how can it make interesting reading.

The article is total bollocks. Its not the first time an article has been published in the US using false data from Australia to deceive the gun toting public.

ExXB 14th Sep 2015 20:00


I have no idea if this is correct or not, but it makes interesting reading!
Didn't "It has now been 12 months" give you a clue?

Simplythebeast 14th Sep 2015 20:05

Not just total bollcks but 8 yr old total bollocks.

bcgallacher 14th Sep 2015 20:41

Figures I have found from the Australian Bureau of Statistics show that in 1996 gun deaths in Australia were 2.6 per 100,000 population - 1/4 of the US figure.
From the same source 2013 figures dropped to 1.0 per 100,000 - 1/10 of the US figure.

rh200 14th Sep 2015 21:30


Figures I have found from the Australian Bureau of Statistics show that in 1996 gun deaths in Australia were 2.6 per 100,000 population - 1/4 of the US figure.
From the same source 2013 figures dropped to 1.0 per 100,000 - 1/10 of the US figure.
Nice research there, but possibly selective. If you want to be rigorous why don't you paste total deaths type for comparison.

Ie. suicide by gun, total suicide rate, deaths by other violent means etc. Does it matter if you die by gun or knife. I would prefer to be shot personally than stabbed to death.

Its all well and good posting selective stats to try and prove a point, but not very rigorous.

Lonewolf_50 14th Sep 2015 21:47


Originally Posted by bcgallacher (Post 9116677)
Figures I have found from the Australian Bureau of Statistics show that in 1996 gun deaths in Australia were 2.6 per 100,000 population - 1/4 of the US figure.
From the same source 2013 figures dropped to 1.0 per 100,000 - 1/10 of the US figure.

Ah yes, that nice vague, dishonest term "gun death" used by people with an agenda. It's as though an inanimate piece of metal could somehow act all by itself. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Seldomfitforpurpose 14th Sep 2015 23:53


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 9116731)
Ah yes, that nice vague, dishonest term "gun death" used by people with an agenda. It's as though an inanimate piece of metal could somehow act all by itself. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

It can't act all by itself, it needs a human input to turn it from an inanimate piece of metal into a dangerous and more often than not lethal weapon. The question you need to ask yourself is why some sane and sensible people who are owners of legally held weapons wake up one day and do sometimes just plain old stooooopid or quite often something very very bad with those inanimate pieces of metal.....

West Coast 15th Sep 2015 00:38

And that's the reason my weapons should be taken?

galaxy flyer 15th Sep 2015 02:47

Yes, Westie, SFFP believes that you can't be trusted, so the Nanny State must look you after and collect those inanimate objects for your own protection. Think you are a sentient person, not so fast in the Land of Scared.

GF

chuks 15th Sep 2015 03:56

It makes "interesting reading" as an example of rhetoric.

It was posted just as I re-posted it, with no author's name, no date of publication, nothing that lets you check its veracity or not.

So, it's way out of date and its stats are not correct? Is that what is so? Fine, but it just showed up the other day on another site, presented as some sort of objective truth, and I think that is "interesting."

Could someone come up with the correct facts, then, rather than simply scolding me for posting this?

Hempy 15th Sep 2015 04:08

snopes.com: Australian Guns Stats

Seldomfitforpurpose 15th Sep 2015 04:34


Originally Posted by West Coast (Post 9116850)
And that's the reason my weapons should be taken?

As a starting I point I ask you again to consider Mrs Lanza, taking Adam to the range, keeping all those weapons at home........

Do you reckon there might be a smarter way to do that.......

Seldomfitforpurpose 15th Sep 2015 04:35


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 9116885)
Yes, Westie, SFFP believes that you can't be trusted, so the Nanny State must look you after and collect those inanimate objects for your own protection. Think you are a sentient person, not so fast in the Land of Scared.

GF

Mrs Lanza, not sure I need say any more......

West Coast 15th Sep 2015 05:38

One guy with intent will find a way whether he has access to a gun or not.

You make yourself irrelevant with an argument that promotes punishing innocents for the actions of a criminal.
You seem to moved beyond the point you stressed just a few days ago about not wanting to take anyone's weapons away but rather increased training. That was quick, even by anonymous bulletin board standards.

If you're concerned about killing via a weapon, you should focus on taking the UK's drones away before there's more extrajudicial killing of British subjects.

You might have better luck than we have wrt that.


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