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vapilot2004 6th Sep 2015 23:11

I am prompted by all the talk of safety and training to mention that the original charter and purpose of the US NRA was to promote gun safety. It was not a political organization until decades later.

The organization also supports the current system of background checks for gun buyers, although the measure passed by Congress as part of the Brady Bill turned out to be an unfunded mandate for a decade until the Virginia Tech massacre, after which Congress decided to appropriate more money for it.

West Coast 7th Sep 2015 04:12


The rate you guys are deliberately and accidentally shooting each other with legally held guns would seem to suggest there is still quite a bit of learning and training to be done stateside.
And now you're acknowledging that training is taking place. A small improvement over your earlier position that no training was taking place. Baby steps, but I'll take it.

Training is an ongoing process. Always something new you can learn, from weapons safety to breathing techniques and everything in between.

There's a .50 cal for sale just across the border in Yuma SFFP, a bit rich for my blood. Continue your road trip about another 12 hours south and we'll split it.

Seldomfitforpurpose 8th Sep 2015 05:14


Originally Posted by West Coast (Post 9108160)
And now you're acknowledging that training is taking place. A small improvement over your earlier position that no training was taking place. Baby steps, but I'll take it.

Training is an ongoing process. Always something new you can learn, from weapons safety to breathing techniques and everything in between.

There's a .50 cal for sale just across the border in Yuma SFFP, a bit rich for my blood. Continue your road trip about another 12 hours south and we'll split it.

Seems we both agree that more training is required. Perhaps its time that gun ownership and training went hand in hand, bit like a car in that you have to take a training course and a final test before you get to take one out unsupervised. No guarantee that it will eradicate all the 'stoopid' but at least it would be a step in the right direction.

As regards the .50 cal nice thought but we are only going as far down the PCH as Long Beach on this trip before heading to Sedona, Vegas and Tahoe.

Lonewolf_50 8th Sep 2015 12:47

Two John Jay football players who appear to have deliberately hit a referee have been suspended - San Antonio Express-News


Two John Jay High School football players who appear to have deliberately tackled a referee during a game Friday night, have been suspended from school as well as the team, officials said Sunday.
This is a thing unheard of. It simply isn't done.

A symptom of what's ailing our social system. It comes from the same world view as "kill the cops, because reasons." This isn't just a case of bad coaching. These two kids weren't raised right. That too is far too common of a malady.

Seldomfitforpurpose 8th Sep 2015 15:13

Just watched it on the breakfast news in our Oregan hotel, what on earth were the two boys thinking? The report says the ref just ejected two of their team mates but the actions of both boys attacking the unsuspecting ref from behind are cowardly and disgraceful, worth a lifetime ban from all sport in my humble opinion!

West Coast 8th Sep 2015 15:13

SFFP

let me know how the program to train the inner city youth of Chicago on weapons safety goes.

Lonewolf_50 8th Sep 2015 17:36


Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose (Post 9109759)
Just watched it on the breakfast news in our Oregan hotel, what on earth were the two boys thinking? The report says the ref just ejected two of their team mates but the actions of both boys attacking the unsuspecting ref from behind are cowardly and disgraceful, worth a lifetime ban from all sport in my humble opinion!

This is newsworthy because it isn't just rare, it's almost non existent. It is so far out of bounds as to be in the realm of "are you kidding me, they did what?" In all the years I've been involved with or interested in High School football, which is about 45, starting with the first one Dad took me to in Virginia, never heard of this -- ever. If it has happened before, it's still an extremely rare occurrence.

I am glad to hear that charges will be pressed. This is way, way out of bounds.

rgbrock1 8th Sep 2015 17:39


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 9109900)
This is newsworthy because it isn't just rare, it's almost non existent. It is so far out of bounds as to be in the realm of "are you kidding me, they did what?" In all the years I've been involved with or interested in High School football, which is about 45, starting with the first one Dad took me to in Virginia, never heard of this -- ever. If it has happened before, it's still an extremely rare occurrence.

I am glad to hear that charges will be pressed. This is way, way out of bounds.

I was at a loss for words when I saw the footage of the attack on the referee. As that's exactly what it was: a unprovoked, pre-planned attack. Both of those students should be banished from ever playing football anywhere again. And then arrested and charged with assault.

Seldomfitforpurpose 8th Sep 2015 17:57


Originally Posted by West Coast (Post 9109760)
SFFP

let me know how the program to train the inner city youth of Chicago on weapons safety goes.

When I post I specifically mention legally held guns to avoid this sort of pointless obfuscation.

Mr Chips 8th Sep 2015 18:35

So as most of the gun deaths are gangs shooting each other, plus suicides how is mandatory training going to reduce gun deaths or indeed sheer stupidity?

Meanwhile, in peaceful not scary UK a record number of weapons were confiscated at the Notting Hill Carnival.

Concentrate on the why, not the how

MG23 8th Sep 2015 18:42


Originally Posted by Mr Chips (Post 9109959)
So as most of the gun deaths are gangs shooting each other, plus suicides how is mandatory training going to reduce gun deaths or indeed sheer stupidity?

Obviously it's not. But 'gun control' is nothing to do with preventing deaths. Mandatory training is just another attempt to prohibit gun ownership through the back door.

Yes, maybe it would save a few people. But plenty would die when they need to protect themselves from a crazy ex-husband, and are denied that right because they haven't taken the ten year 'training course'.

Besides which, you can be sure that any training course imposed by anti-gun-nuts would based around Communist self-criticism sessions. 'Why do you want a gun?' 'Because my ex-husband said he'd kill me.' 'Bzzt. Badthink. Fail!'

West Coast 8th Sep 2015 18:49

SFFP

You'll excuse my confusion as you didn't (short of a quick edit) in the post mentioning training, but it's noted now.

That's quite the meandering route. While in Northern Arizona, make an effort to visit Jerome, well worth the diversion.

eticket 8th Sep 2015 19:28

Apologies for the thread drift.

A real football match saw a goalie punch the referee and the referee died.

This was in Utah.

The goalie was seventeen.

The judge sent the goalie to prison until he was 21. He also had to have a photo of the referee in his cell and to write to the referee's family every week.

'I was frustrated,' says teen who admits killing referee | Deseret News

Seldomfitforpurpose 9th Sep 2015 00:23


Originally Posted by West Coast (Post 9109972)
SFFP

You'll excuse my confusion as you didn't (short of a quick edit) in the post mentioning training, but it's noted now.

That's quite the meandering route. While in Northern Arizona, make an effort to visit Jerome, well worth the diversion.

If I missed it out once I apologise, the illegal gun crime issue is totally different argument best taken up on another day, all I ever suggest is that smartening up on legal guns would be a start.

As regards the travel tip I will look at at our route and get back to you, now in Fortuna in Nth California :ok:

Hempy 9th Sep 2015 06:22

Do We Have a Gang Problem or a Gun Problem? | Evan DeFilippis

bcgallacher 9th Sep 2015 06:46

MG23 - I am a little intrigued by your statement that infers that divorced women should be armed to protect themselves from ex husbands. An American woman living in a house with a gun is eleven times more likely to be shot dead than one living in a house with no guns.Can you explain why divorced women in the UK are not being killed in large numbers as they are not permitted a gun for self defence? I note you live in Canada - the gun control laws seem to work there reasonably well.

chuks 9th Sep 2015 06:50

This is all very well, but what I want to hear, from you amateur psychopathologists, is how you have diagnosed this "Sickness in US Society." So far we have heard a certain amount of whingeing about guns, a bit of crowing from the moral high ground from those who don't know any better, but very little about sickness, when it's sickness that is the chosen topic.

I guess it's that we really aren't quite so "sick" as all that, although it's clear that we do have a problem. It's unclear to me how people who choose to witter on about this from abroad expect to bring about any solution to this problem for the USA.

It's usually having to listen to moralistic turkeys who insist that our poisonous foreign policy and our drive for global hegemony is ruining things wherever they live, even when that is some desolate landscape littered with sheep dung in the further reaches of the Antipodes. Here and now, how about getting back on topic to tell us more about our "sickness" and to propose a cure. Not palliative measures, such as giving up our beloved guns, but a way to lose our desire to have such an insane quantity of the damned things! Should we switch to sheep, perhaps? That seems to lead to other forms of sickness, forms I am not at liberty to discuss here.

Gertrude the Wombat 9th Sep 2015 11:38


but very little about sickness, when it's sickness that is the chosen topic
Yes, its the fact that you can't recognise it even after having your nose rubbed in it through umpteen pages that's probably saddest of all.

chuks 9th Sep 2015 12:11

Now, now!
 
Gertrude, your lack of compassion towards the sick is really shocking! We got the diagnosis, that we are sick, and now we are searching for a cure. Scolding won't help, this rubbing our noses in it over umpteen pages.

I tell you, more in sorrow than in anger, that we now seem to have been diagnosed here by a group of charlatans, quacks.

In fact, you lot seem to have just as many problems as we do, albeit different problems. We might have trouble pulling off our cowboy boots after a tough day of kicking ass and taking names; you lot must have to worry about some bully coming up and eating your lunch: Russia, North Korea, Indonesia, even.

No, do not bother to tell us here whatever trouble the panty-waist lifestyle you have perversely chosen brings with it. That does not cause us to view you with compassion, actually.

If it's anything really serious, and if you are in some sort of defense alliance with the USA as most of you probably are, then swallow your pride (assuming that you have any to begin with) and give us a call on the hotline. US Marines are on standby to handle pretty much anything, although a certain amount of property damage is to be expected then.

Meanwhile, if you don't have a cure for this "sickness," why not tend to your own knitting?

Seldomfitforpurpose 10th Sep 2015 00:49

It would appear Gertrude struck a nerve 😂


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