PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Jet Blast (https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast-16/)
-   -   Where does the UN imagine all these people are going to go? (https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/566671-where-does-un-imagine-all-these-people-going-go.html)

Katamarino 26th Aug 2015 18:58


Originally Posted by Hempy
I'm out

Oh thank goodness. Now we just lead KnC to leave and we should be relatively troll-free again.

MG23 26th Aug 2015 18:59


Originally Posted by Prophead (Post 9095949)
He is not coming here to rape our women and turn the UK into an Islamic State. I am sure he has seen enough violence to last a lifetime and just wants somewhere to teach music peacefully and raise his family.

And is the kind of person who'd get a visa if Europe had a sane immigration policy.

Rosevidney1 26th Aug 2015 19:03

The UN and the EU have much in common. Neither are fit for purpose, both are bureaucratic money wasting organisations and the functionaries lack a sense of realism. A pox on both their houses!

DirtyProp 26th Aug 2015 20:21

As I wrote before, we need to go to the REAL CAUSES of this exodus.
We must hold accountable the governments that treat their own people like slaves and make millions from this ponzi scheme.

The people that are getting paid by those migrants are making a fortune.
Doing nothing is the same as being conniving with those criminals.

Lonewolf_50 26th Aug 2015 20:29

@ Dirty Prop: Europe is engaging in enabling behavior, you make a good point.

The same has been true with our southern border for about 30 years, thanks to the Reagan administration deciding to grant amnesty rather than fixing a broken emigration and screening system. The root of that decision is both political and economic, but is also a cynical betrayal of the responsibilities of our government, and Article IV of the Constitution. (Separate topic, as this isn't US politics).

In whose interest is it to continue to import desperate people into Europe? Is it really altruism, or is there something else behind it?

Simplythebeast 26th Aug 2015 20:32

Those rioting in Hungary are doing so because they have been told that they will need to claim Asylum there and not move to their Country of choice which one of them today described as Germany or the UK.
What gets me about this situation is that on one side we have people telling us that they are refugees from violence, on the other we can see from their own actions and comments that many are economic migrants taking advantage of the situation.
I really domt see an answer and the numbers are increasing daily, its nothing less than an invasion and Europe is powerless to stop it.

DirtyProp 26th Aug 2015 20:59

@ Lonewolf_50:
the "charitable" (HA!) organizations are flushed with money.
The people that smuggle those migrants are literally making a killing, they've found the goose with the golden eggs.

Someone was intercepted in Italy talking on the phone that "migrants are more profitable than DRUGS".
Trust me folks, I am not making this up.

On top of that, according to the numbers by the Italian Home Affairs Ministry, almost 50% have no rights to claim asylum.
Wake up, people.

Lonewolf_50 26th Aug 2015 21:06


Originally Posted by Simplythebeast (Post 9096183)
I really domt see an answer and the numbers are increasing daily, its nothing less than an invasion and Europe is powerless to stop it.

Europe is not powerless, more like gutless. We have a similar problem on this side of the pond.

@DirtyProp: on this side of the pond, the drug runners and human traffickers seem to share routes and sources ... let's say the business model of diversification is being applied.

Saltie 26th Aug 2015 21:17

Europe is powerless to stop the invasion only because Europe chooses to be powerless to stop the invasion. Sadly, the longer Europe's political leaders delay in doing something to address this invasion, the more extreme that something will HAVE to be. It will be Jack Nicholson's Marine Colonel's speech in 'A Few Good Men' on steroids - by which I mean it will be highly unpalatable to many if not most Europeans. But if they can't stomach it, they are both culturally and eventually literally doomed.

obgraham 27th Aug 2015 03:04

I too don't understand the "we are powerless" argument.

Euro needs a little backbone. Does not require inhumanity. Pick up the people in the rafts and boats. Take them back to whence they came and drop them off. Yes, the first few dropoffs will be treated badly upon their return. But the outflow will drop off very rapidly once people see what happens.

svhar 27th Aug 2015 03:15

Right. And for those that are here already, fly them to the Haj for free. One way ticket.

SOPS 27th Aug 2015 07:50

Hungary is considering deploying the army on its borders. This is getting uglier by the minute.

Mr Optimistic 27th Aug 2015 17:14

Yep, the UK's unwillingness to admit the problem because the solutions are distasteful is making matters worse. They risk making racists of us all.

Mechta 28th Aug 2015 11:49

Its strange how Nicholas Winton was hailed a hero for all the 669 Jewish children he saved from extermination, yet when a very similar situation arises with people fleeing persecution in our own time, we don't want to know.

The Australian approach of shipping them to somewhere remote, whilst appearing harsh, at least gives a place of refuge for the genuine asylum seekers.

Frank Arouet 28th Aug 2015 12:08

Some may ask why most all the male refugees appear fit and able and whether they seek refuge as cowards running away from an enemy instead of fighting for the land that is theirs. The French and Poles had a Resistance. Why don't they. An AK47 appears to be easy to get hold of. One may even think they have no will and this in turn may make one think they are economic refugees seeking to piggy back on hard fought freedoms of others. The EU and UN are simply not up to the task. If their members can't police their own borders in peace time what hope do the inhabitants have in war. The whole thing is a basket case.

megan 28th Aug 2015 12:45


cowards running away from an enemy instead of fighting for the land that is theirs
A pax got caught entering the country at an Oz airport by immigration. Turned out he was a Ukrainian, with wife and three kids back home, running away from being drafted into the army. He was returned home on the next aircraft.

people fleeing persecution
Which countries are running extermination camps these days?

skydiver69 28th Aug 2015 13:03


Its strange how Nicholas Winton was hailed a hero for all the 669 Jewish children he saved from extermination, yet when a very similar situation arises with people fleeing persecution in our own time, we don't want to know.
One big difference with many of these 'refugees' is that they are coming from peaceful countries or have travelled through peaceful areas to get to Europe. The last time I checked Nigeria, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Iran were not war zones yet many of these migrants come from those countries.

I would like to see genuine refugees being treated with dignity and respect but at the moment the genuine ones are far outweighed by economic migrants. We have an immigration problem in the UK with legal migrants from the EU and non EU countries so the last thing I want to see is a free for all for all and sundry to come here. Even without the current wave hitting European shores there are estimates that there are already up to 800,000 illegals in the UK.

There is a debate going on but it tends to fall into two categories. The first is that hard working migrants are good for the country but secondly if you are anti immigration then you are racist. The first argument ignores all the associated costs of immigration because social costs such as the feelings of the native population are ignored, as well as the cost heaped upon education, housing, NHS and the police, however as soon as you start to discuss that aspect of immigration you get labelled as racist.

A lot of the attitudes in the UK are down to the lack of power that we have when it comes to controlling our own borders as we have no control over EU migrants and seemingly little control over none EU ones. I equate it to allowing or inviting someone into your house i.e. you can ask an uninvited guest to leave, not invite them in the first place or control what they can and can't do in your house. With our current immigration system there are no such controls so taking the analogy further, someone could rock up to my house, let themselves in, expect me to give them food, pay a small amount to my costs, and leave me with no control over when or if they leave!

vctenderness 28th Aug 2015 14:10

When somebody, at the moment, leaves Syria and enters Turkey they are probably a refugee and entitled to asylum.

When they then move on to Kos, Greece they are Economic Migrants without a shadow of a doubt.

More so when they move through several other countries including some not in the EU.

The rules must be enforced and if not followed they should be denied asylum.

The media can't tell the difference between Syrians, Africans and Asians they just call anyone arriving on a boat 'Syrian refugees escaping the war and ISIS'.

I'm losing my sympathy very quickly:ugh:

Mechta 28th Aug 2015 14:23


Some may ask why most all the male refugees appear fit and able and whether they seek refuge as cowards running away from an enemy instead of fighting for the land that is theirs.
Running away from a better armed and better trained enemy isn't necessarily cowardice. If where you live is being attacked by artillery or from the air, staying to be slaughtered isn't brave its just foolish. The people who stay are also in the way of people who do know how to fight back with the right weapons and tactics and are using up their resources.


All times are GMT. The time now is 08:45.


Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.