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SASless 20th Oct 2017 01:50

All this hype about the Democrats surging towards wins in 2018.....nothing proves that based upon the outcomes in State races recently....quite the opposite actually.

But....when you go down the old toilet in a National Election as did the Democrats and the Loser keeps on sticking her beak into things refusing to admit she is finished.....you have to keep up with a facade even though you know it to be just putting lipstick on a pig thinking it looks better.

The Sultan 20th Oct 2017 02:50

Niger
 
Now the whole Trump Admin ignoring the deaths of four soldiers is explained.

- US ally in war on terror Chad sues Exxon for unpaid oil royalties.
- US puts Chad on travel ban list.
- Chad pulls their troops out of operations in Niger where they were doing a lot of the heavy lifting.
- Three days later US SF team ambushed with four killed because of inadequate intelligence, support, and evac assets.
- Trump tries to cover this up while he plays multiple rounds of golf.

Waiting for the Trey Gowdy investigation with hourly updates on Fox as the prelim to impeachment.

ORAC 20th Oct 2017 07:15


IOUs work until you lose trust. After that you ask for gold bars to be moved from one vault room to another.
Which was why the USA unilaterally abandoned the convertibility of the dollar to gold in 1971 and Fort Knox became a

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_shock

https://blogs.cfainstitute.org/inves...ld-fiat-money/

SASless 20th Oct 2017 12:42

Something for the TDS afflicted to consider and others to note.

The Special Counsel Law has been controversial from the Git Go....and we have seen excesses by both sides in past Special Counsel Investigations (Ken Star and the later one that went after Cheney) and this latest one seems to be no better.

The choice of members of the Team raised a lot of concerns as almost all of them had ties to the Democrat Party and the Clintons personally. Then it was seen to be some had very questionable backgrounds that indicated this Investigation will not be about Justice but about pushing an Agenda leading to prosecutions for bogus reasons that in the end will lead to reverses upon any conviction but only after destroying careers, reputations, and lives for no good reason.

Keep your eyes and ears open and watch this very thing play out as described in the linked article.


Judging by Mueller's staffing choices, he may not be very interested in justice | TheHill

oicur12.again 20th Oct 2017 18:28

“How many Countries use the US Dollar as the base for their currency or as the business currency of choice?”

The key factor is not how many countries use the USD for everyday transactions. The critical issue affecting the longevity of the USD is the currency oil is denominated in. The US dollar although technically a fiat currency is effectively an oil backed currency.

This is coming to an end as China and Russia are laying plans for a Yuan/Gold/SDR backed oil trade that frees countries from needing to hold US dollar reserves.

Iran, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Russia, china, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela. All key players in the move away from the status quo.

galaxy flyer 20th Oct 2017 18:57

A call for “do nothing” Presidents. I’d add, “do nothing” Congress, too.

https://fee.org/articles/all-preside...72df-108353125

oicur12.again 20th Oct 2017 19:31


Originally Posted by The Sultan (Post 9930577)
Now the whole Trump Admin ignoring the deaths of four soldiers is explained.

- US ally in war on terror Chad sues Exxon for unpaid oil royalties.
- US puts Chad on travel ban list.
- Chad pulls their troops out of operations in Niger where they were doing a lot of the heavy lifting.
- Three days later US SF team ambushed with four killed because of inadequate intelligence, support, and evac assets.
- Trump tries to cover this up while he plays multiple rounds of golf.

Waiting for the Trey Gowdy investigation with hourly updates on Fox as the prelim to impeachment.

Yep, and of course we know who was CEO of Exxon prior to becoming Sec of State.

How convenient.

SASless 20th Oct 2017 20:09

Bit different than the previous administration that had people paying the SecState for favors....huh?

KelvinD 21st Oct 2017 00:43

Wasn't there some suspicion that one of the reasons George Bush went to war on Iraq was to stop them selling oil in Euros? I think Iran also recently mad a similar switch for its oil sales.

oicur12.again 21st Oct 2017 06:59

Kelvin

Iraq was invaded primarily in order to restore its oil pricing policy and to permit western oil service companies access to its oil fields.

Iran has left the petrodollar system through its own oil bourse.

Venezuela has ceased trading oil in greenbacks.

Libya was close to finalising a system of oil trade using a gold dinar.

Saudi Arabia is in discussion with China to exchange oil for Yuan.

It should not be underestimated how reliant the US economy is on the continuing petrodollar system.

SASless 21st Oct 2017 11:31


Wasn't there some suspicion that one of the reasons George Bush went to war on Iraq was to stop them selling oil in Euros?

Wacky Leftists might have thought that....but based upon what kind of reliable lnformation did they form that mindset?

With that bunch anything the USA does is only about Oil and making Exxon rich and famous.

Lets not fool ourselves however....the risk of Saddam Hussein invading and taking control of Saudi Arabia and taking possession of its oil reserves probably did very much play a role in the decision and rightly so.

War has always been about turf, resources, and economical considerations has it not?

Had Iraq retained Kuwait, taken Saudi, Bahrain, and perhaps the Emirates....how would that have affected the World Economy to include the UK and Europe?

galaxy flyer 22nd Oct 2017 03:54

War is about the three emotions that govern all humanity—fear, honor and greed. Everything else is commentary.

GF

KelvinD 22nd Oct 2017 08:50

SASless: There you go again! in 2003 Iraq would have struggled to invade itself! Having been in Kuwait on 2nd August 1990, I had the opportunity (albeit unwanted) to see up close the Iraqi Army. Despite their abysmal performance in 1991, their tank brigades were quite well organised and disciplined, with the tanks well maintained. The rest of them, the foot soldiers etc, were bloody rubbish. Following 1991, they had lost so much of their armour and the grunts were so demoralised they were verging on a shambles. Being back in Kuwait a couple of times in the years following, it was obvious the Iraqi forces were going nowhere. They had some entertainment, occasionally moving forces close to the Iraqi border, watching the US & UK forces go charging up the road toward the border, then pulling back. They had about as much chance of invading Saudi Arabia, Bahrain etc as I have of becoming the next King of England!
If the justification for the 2003 fiasco was the fear of Iraq invading all those places listed by you, why was this not given as the main excuse for the war at the time? We all know, and Bush and Blair both knew the WMD was totally trumped up so what was the real reason behind their thinking?

SASless 22nd Oct 2017 13:38

KD,

Are you as confused as you have me by that post?

The greatest fear the US Military Leadership had immediately post the start of the US Forces buildup was that the Iraqi's would push south into Saudi before there was sufficient forces in theater to be more than sacrificial goats.

As you correctly note...the Republican Guard Armored Units were a force to be reckoned with until they got decimated by Coalition Air Strikes.

That did not happen until AFTER the festivities kicked off upon proper notice which was ignored.

Ever read Storming Norman's book....or Horner's....or Powell's?

You should....as any or all of them will prove the fallacy of your understanding of the situation as demonstrated by that post of yours.

Toadstool 22nd Oct 2017 14:17


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 9932983)
KD,

Are you as confused as you have me by that post?

The greatest fear the US Military Leadership had immediately post the start of the US Forces buildup was that the Iraqi's would push south into Saudi before there was sufficient forces in theater to be more than sacrificial goats.

As you correctly note...the Republican Guard Armored Units were a force to be reckoned with until they got decimated by Coalition Air Strikes.

That did not happen until AFTER the festivities kicked off upon proper notice which was ignored.

Ever read Storming Norman's book....or Horner's....or Powell's?

You should....as any or all of them will prove the fallacy of your understanding of the situation as demonstrated by that post of yours.

KD

as the post by SAS demonstrates, he is mightily confused as to which War you were talking about. Perhaps you should clarify, sometimes he just doesn't get it!

I think its the Trump Deity Syndrome.

oicur12.again 22nd Oct 2017 20:12

“Bit different than the previous administration”

Not really, all administrations have been involved in corrupt profiteering from manufactured wars. My opinion is largely based upon the position that Washington is corrupt regardless of which “brand” of political party is in “power”.

“Wacky Leftists might have thought that....but based upon what kind of reliable lnformation did they form that mindset?”

Do you really view the world in such a simple fashion? Its only “wacky leftists” that understand the global economy and see the importance of the petro dollar system?

Most of the economists that I follow would be considered “wacky rightists” and many are Republicans. However they don’t let that cloud their analysis.

“the risk of Saddam Hussein invading and taking control of Saudi Arabia and taking possession of its oil reserves probably did very much play a role in the decision”

Can you direct me to some expert analysis indicating Iraqi intent to “possess” Saudi oil? GW1 was mostly about Iraq preventing Kuwait from slant drilling along the border and to leverage Kuwait to cough up the $$$ promised to finance the Iran/Iraq war. It also assisted the Iraqi recovery efforts by pushing the price of crude up significantly. Invading KSR made no sense, was not in the plan and America knew it.

“The greatest fear the US Military Leadership had immediately post the start of the US Forces buildup was that the Iraqi's would push south into Saudi”

No, this was not a fear at all and in fact the DOD had to use fake sat pics to convince KSR that a threat existed thus justifying US basing weapons and aircraft in the kingdom to conduct operations. This deceit played a significant part in the attacks on 11/9.

SASless 23rd Oct 2017 14:25

It seems the FBI did find a Russian attempt to interfere with our Elections and at the same time targeted political figures for compromise.

FBI watched, then acted as Russian spy moved closer to Hillary Clinton | TheHill

Toadstool 23rd Oct 2017 15:10


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 9933950)
It seems the FBI did find a Russian attempt to interfere with our Elections and at the same time targeted political figures for compromise.

FBI watched, then acted as Russian spy moved closer to Hillary Clinton | TheHill

Given that this is correct, would it be stretching the imagination to think that the Russians attempted to interfere with the last Presidential Election?

Lonewolf_50 23rd Oct 2017 20:48


Originally Posted by Toadstool (Post 9933996)
Given that this is correct, would it be stretching the imagination to think that the Russians attempted to interfere with the last Presidential Election?

And how many other elections in how many other places? Russia is a world power with interests all over. If they figured they could pull it off, is there a reason to think they would not try?


I have a friend married to a Ukranian lady. Hmmm, don't want to run off topic, but I suspect that the US election isn't the only one they might have tried to nudge a bit ...

galaxy flyer 23rd Oct 2017 21:45

Vegas shooting and Gun related, but perhaps good here:

https://byrslf.co/thoughts-on-the-ve...g-14af397cee2c


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