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vapilot2004 20th Sep 2016 22:06


The other thing is our Sheriff is not the sharpest knife in the drawer....by far...but he being a good Republican in a very Republican County (we have Democrat Sheriffs in Democrat Counties too)...he is not worried about his job or the county in general.
Strange state you live in SAS. In every other state I have ever lived, at that level of government, party affiliation is nothing compared to the local reputation of the office holder - as it should be.

GF You've posted a good example of pollsters getting what they were looking for and how political ideology gets in the way of the truth.

Here's some polling data, mostly negative by a spread of about 11 points unfavorable for Obamacare.
Top of the supposedly "non-partisan" site you linked described the ACA as such:

http://i65.tinypic.com/f0q0pw.png

I've highlighted the problem area in red for you. In fact, 2 out of 3 Democrats support the ACA as do over half of Independent voters, while only 1 in 10 Republicans are for it. It has become a highly partisan issue.

If asked, the majority of Americans support some kind of universal health care, but thanks to our damaged political system, we get compromise.


What exactly do those countries have to do with us?
Nearly every other western industrialized nation has some form of universal health care in place. They are ahead of the US in that regard. The problems with the ACA came about thanks to GOP opposition* to any federally supported universal health care and it became an ugly compromise.

*Our childish GOP Congress has been consistently against just about everything Obama supports - out of spite, bigotry, or just plain ignorance - we don't really know but if Obama was for babies and ice cream cones, the GOP would find a way to fight him on it.

Cazalet33 20th Sep 2016 22:27

Interestingly the photographer who made the picture of the Skittles is, to say the least, exceedingly pissed off about Trump using his handiwork for such a vile piece of anti-refugee propaganda.

You see, the photographer himself is a refugee!

His family fled the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974. They sought and obtained legal status as refugees and like most genuine war refugees have led decent upstanding lives ever since.

West Coast 20th Sep 2016 22:35

You can whinge about the ad, but no one has argued its not true, just likelihood.

galaxy flyer 20th Sep 2016 23:25

Vapilot2004,

You are assuming those countries are "ahead" of us by having universal government financed and controlled health financing schemes. I'd say they are trampling on citizens liberties by restricting their choices and forcing them to lay for others' health care costs.

GF

SASless 20th Sep 2016 23:41

Hillary canceled another event....on top of taking a full six days off from campaigning. Signs of a Neurological issue caught on Video giving rise to yet more concerns about her Health.

Hard to question the video evidence or the fact she canceled and event without explanation.


With Trump Regaining North Carolina Lead, Hillary Unexpectedly Postpones Local Fundraiser "Without Reason" | Zero Hedge

11Fan 21st Sep 2016 01:39

I heard that the Trump Campaign is making arrangements to have balloons drop about mid-way through the first debate.

SASless 21st Sep 2016 01:59

Sabato just moved Twelve States over to the Trump side of the Tally.

Just a week or so ago he was saying Trump had no chance of winning.

SASless 21st Sep 2016 11:54

The Great Obama Economic Recovery?


The Reasons Behind the Obama Non-Recovery - WSJ

Cazalet33 21st Sep 2016 12:45

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/d...6bHu2jJnT8.png

VP959 21st Sep 2016 13:06


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 9514565)
Hillary canceled another event....on top of taking a full six days off from campaigning. Signs of a Neurological issue caught on Video giving rise to yet more concerns about her Health.

Hard to question the video evidence or the fact she canceled and event without explanation.


With Trump Regaining North Carolina Lead, Hillary Unexpectedly Postpones Local Fundraiser "Without Reason" | Zero Hedge

I've no horse in this race, and am no fan of Clinton, or Trump, for that matter, but I've watched that video three times and all I can see is that she is looking to her right several times, at something out of shot. Could be anything, from a brightly-dressed supporter to someone trying to signal to her, or may even be that the podium she's on wasn't central to the crowd, so she needed to look around to be sure that it seemed that she was addressing everyone.

With Clinton it seems her naysayers are very fond of picking up on her facial expressions and health; there seem to be a few occasions when people have clipped frames from videos, or taken stills, with the intention of making her look odd. With Trump, his naysayers are very fond of picking up on his more outrageous comments, often taking them out of context.

All pretty fair game in politics, and I'd not personally take it as being a sign of anything untoward, more an indication of the depths that some will go to in order to cast doubt on any candidate's competence or abilities

SASless 21st Sep 2016 15:23

VP....the conjecture is about the two eyes looking in different directions....not the head on a swivel thing.

As she talks out of both sides of her mouth far too frequently....at least she would be able to see what she is saying that way!:E

The key point is she is absent from the campaign trail yet again without any explanation which does raise legitimate questions both as to the reason for her absence and yet again the lack of an adequate and timely explanation.

bcgallacher 21st Sep 2016 15:48

Galaxy Flyer - you are obviously ignorant of the fact that countries that have a national health service also have private health care if you wish to use it. As far as paying for others health care - who do you think pays for those brought into US hospitals who are unable to pay the bills? Other patients who can pay the jacked up bills that also pay for those who cannot. As far as US health care is concerned it gives you an infant mortality rate worse than Cuba - You spend 2 1/2 times more per head of population than the efficient British NHS for worse outcomes.

SASless 21st Sep 2016 16:00

How many times you going to run that line by us....read up on your own NHS and its problems....or Canada's rationing problems that causes Canadian's to head south to obtain care in our hospitals at their own expense.

We have posted article after article debunking your assertions.

By your own post....you admit there is healthcare available to even those who cannot pay....so what is it you are arguing?

https://www.theguardian.com/healthca...ct-of-life-nhs

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10139963

Krystal n chips 21st Sep 2016 16:49

As they say on the news, and clearly I would have no wish to upset the sensibilities of some in this respect, now would I, "those of a sensitive disposition may wish to look away now".....

Nottingham pub's Trump urinal 'a bit of fun' - BBC News

Ancient Mariner 21st Sep 2016 17:06


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 9514554)
Vapilot2004,

You are assuming those countries are "ahead" of us by having universal government financed and controlled health financing schemes. I'd say they are trampling on citizens liberties by restricting their choices and forcing them to lay for others' health care costs.

GF

In other words, you have no idea how our health care system works. I am OK with that, just mildly amused at being trampled on.
Per

Geordie_Expat 21st Sep 2016 17:22

Guys,


The Americans on here just cannot grasp how our NHS works. It has been explained many times yet they still cannot grasp what it is about. How the hell does providing free health care "trample on our civil liberties"? :ugh:

sitigeltfel 21st Sep 2016 17:33


Originally Posted by Geordie_Expat (Post 9515395)
Guys,


The Americans on here just cannot grasp how our NHS works. It has been explained many times yet they still cannot grasp what it is about. How the hell does providing free health care "trample on our civil liberties"? :ugh:

The NHS works? That will be news to my contacts in the UK who have to wait ages for the simplest procedures, that is if they can first get past the bureaucratic incompetence. As for being free, thats a laugh, only if you are not paying taxes is it free. The rest pay through the nose for it through direct and indirect taxation and only realise what a rip off it is when they have the misfortune to need to call on it.

Two's in 21st Sep 2016 17:37

How dare you suggest the US health system is anything other than perfect! I have a number of friends in the health insurance business and a couple who are medical malpractice lawyers and every single one of them is very, very rich. Surely a ringing endorsement of the effectiveness of the system. As for those people who have died of poverty, well then they should have tried harder at school and got proper jobs with full health insurance. It's none of my business they weren't very clever and their constant whining about "equal access" to medical care just detracts from the success of my more qualified and very rich friends. Terrible people, every one of them.

Geordie_Expat 21st Sep 2016 17:38


Originally Posted by sitigeltfel (Post 9515415)
The NHS works? That will be news to my contacts in the UK who have to wait ages for the simplest procedures, that is if they can first get past the bureaucratic incompetence. As for being free, thats a laugh, only if you are not paying taxes is it free. The rest pay through the nose for it through direct and indirect taxation and only realise what a rip off it is when they have the misfortune to need to call on it.


Not to enter into discussion on this thread, but that is rubbish.

SASless 21st Sep 2016 17:43

Will someone define "Free" for our Left Winged friends please.


Free | Definition of Free by Merriam-Webster


It seems the Democrats have more dirty laundry being exposed about how they shuffle money around and take huge cuts for doing so.

The Clinton Foundation actually donates about 6% of the haul to real charities and uses the rest for Salaries, Perks, Travel, Pensions,etc.

Now it seems David Brock....a huge Clinton supporter is being outed for his shady manipulations of cash donations.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...its-implicated



Brock's most notable business of the many he runs from the same office is the infamous "Media Matters" which has filed Ethics Complaints and Legal Actions against the Bernie Sanders Campaign on behalf of the Clinton Campaign.

http://observer.com/2016/03/hillary-...n-david-brock/


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