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rh200 18th Nov 2014 23:58


I think any study that concludes UK dental health superior to that of the USA is suspect.

Huh? Nearly two hundred and ninety one million people with tooth decay is magnificent?
Like the virtually meaningless and amateurish attempts at statistics with gun ownership, that correlation is to meaningless.

Like the gun problem, it is very socially dependent. Another words your basic personal hygiene habits plays the dominate role in the overall teeth condition of your population.

On that line, the poms could probably afford to bath more than once a week.:p


As this is a US gun thread, I noted that gun sales in Ferguson, Missouri have broken all records. Why is that?
I think thats obvious, but WTF is the KKK becoming multi cultural?


The good people of St Louis County of all races, colours and creeds will not tolerate your threats of violence against our police officers, their families and our communities,” a flyer allegedly distributed by the Klan asserts.
All races, colors and creeds!, next we will see the Palastinians embracing Israel.:E.

con-pilot 19th Nov 2014 00:08


I think thats obvious, but WTF is the KKK becoming multi cultural?
Well, when you consider that over half the members of the KKK are informants and undercover agents of all the law enforcement agencies of the federal, state and local governments, it is not overly surprising.

Okay, I have no idea how many undercover/informants there are in the KKK, it is just after the OKC bombing that membership in ultra-right wing militant groups dropped so drastically, the joke was that informants and undercover agents were all that were left.

rh200 19th Nov 2014 00:13

t

he joke was that informants and undercover agents were all that were left.
Whats more funny in a sad sort of way, is considering the general lack of communication between agencies, how many of them are keeping an eye on each other without knowing:p

Dushan 19th Nov 2014 00:30

Ask Jamie Gorelli.

rh200 19th Nov 2014 00:35

Actually one of the things that worries me about fruit loop groups like anonymous, is that in trying to "out members" they can do serious harm.

Mind you, I suppose the government and their agencies are the enemy as well in their eyes, so its a win win situation for them.

MagnusP 19th Nov 2014 08:29

rh200, For an evening's light entertainment, I can heartily recommend watching "Two Guns" with Mark Wahlberg and Denzel Washington. Pretty much the scenario you describe. And the title is even on topic for the thread! :ok:

Lonewolf_50 19th Nov 2014 16:50


Originally Posted by John Hill (Post 8743988)
A government is supposed to govern

there's your conceptual problem, in a nutshell.

In this country, it is generally held that the government is supposed to serve the People. That is what the founding fathers had in mind. It may have been a bit idealistic, but that's the general idea. Until you get your head around that principle, you cannot understand American politics.

rgbrock1 19th Nov 2014 16:52

LW50:

And others also have to get their minds around the fact that these here United States of America was founded on the principles of the Republic, and not on Democratic origins. Subtle, but big, difference.

Lonewolf_50 19th Nov 2014 17:04


Originally Posted by PTT (Post 8747896)
I doubt even Jefferson would refer to Obama as a tyrant despite differing politics.

Me might have referred to him as a high yellow, however. :p Such talk was common parlance in the Virginia of his day. Glad to see things have move on from that.

finfly1

"In simplistic terms your schools HAVE do this because on an a very regular basis someone enters a US school and shoots innocent kids and teachers dead"
You were far too charitable in your criticism.
This is called "a lie" which is a deliberate falsehood uttered or written. The willfulness of this is shown in the bold.

On a very regular basis, nothing of the sort happens in our schools besides the mundane school day.

If we go back a few pages, a foreign (not American) poster pointed out how far to the right of the decimal point the 0's finally stop and some numbers take over in terms of likelihood and incidence. But no, the axe grinding clowns refuse to accept the actuality of life as we live it. They have their preconceived and false notions, and will stick to it.

On extremely are occasions, something like the above happens and the media feeding frenzy blows it up and out of proportion because that is how our media works: if it bleeds, it leads.

And if it is horrible, such as the Sandy Hook thing was, then the media give it extra frenzy. When they do, the *****'s who live across the pond and have an axe to grind think they know what is going on over here.

As Will Rogers once said: "You only know what you read in the papers"
But most of them don't even know that.

Lord Spandex Masher 19th Nov 2014 17:17

If, as you postulate, whoever you've quoted doesn't know what's going on over there how can you assert that what you've quoted is a lie?

Deliberate falsehood implies actual knowledge.

Seldomfitforpurpose 19th Nov 2014 18:34


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 8749230)
The willfulness of this is shown in the bold.



Clearly my bad, how would you have described it...................

John Hill 19th Nov 2014 18:53


Originally Posted by LW50
In this country, it is generally held that the government is supposed to serve the People.

Maybe thats your problem, your government chooses the wrong meaning of 'serve'.....


serve (sūrv)
v. served, serv·ing, serves
v.tr.
1.
a. To work for.
b. To be a servant to.
2.
a. To prepare and offer (food, for example): serve tea.
b. To place food before (someone); wait on: served the guests a wonderful dinner.
3.
a. To provide goods and services for (customers): a hotel that has served tourists at the same location for 30 years.
b. To supply (goods or services) to customers. See Usage Note at service.
4. To assist the celebrant during (Mass).
5.
a. To meet the requirements of; suffice for: This will serve the purpose.
b. To be of assistance to or promote the interests of; aid: "Both major parties today seek to serve the national interest" (John F. Kennedy).
6.
a. To work through or complete (a period of service): served four terms in Congress.
b. To be in prison for (a period or term): served 10 years for armed robbery.
7. To fight or undergo military service for: served the country for five years in the navy.
8. To give homage and obedience to: served God.
9. To act toward (another) in a specified way: She has served me ill.
10. To copulate with; service. Used of male animals.
11. Law
a. To deliver or present (a writ or summons).
b. To present such a writ to.
12. Sports To put (a ball or shuttlecock) in play, as in tennis, badminton, or jai alai.
13. To bind or whip (a rope) with fine cord or wire.
v.intr.
1. To be employed as a servant.
2. To do a term of duty: serve in the U.S. Air Force; serve on a jury.
3. To act in a particular capacity: serve as a clerk.
4. To be of service or use; function: Let this incident serve as a reminder to future generations.
5. To meet requirements or needs; satisfy: a device that will serve well.
6. To wait on tables: serve at luncheon.
7. Sports To put a ball or shuttlecock into play, as in court games.
8. To assist the celebrant during Mass.
n. Sports
The right, manner, or act of serving in many court games.
Phrasal Verb:
serve up Baseball
To pitch (a ball) over the middle of home plate, where it is likely to be hit hard.
Idiom:
serve (someone) right
To be deserved under the circumstances: Punish him; it will serve him right for what he has done to you.

Dushan 19th Nov 2014 19:31

John, are we back to urban dictionary? The bolded part is more like rural.

Seldomfitforpurpose 20th Nov 2014 09:16

After the teeth and urban dictionary distractions and to get the thread back on track another school, another shooting

Three people shot at Florida State University library, gunman killed | Fox News

Light on facts but chillingly familiar..........

Dushan 20th Nov 2014 12:45

Sounds like there was a personal dispute, not a crazed gunman killing all in sight. Campus police got him as is their job.

Nothing to see here, move on.

PTT 20th Nov 2014 12:55


Three people shot
And your reaction:

personal dispute...Nothing to see here
You don't see the issue with personal disputes ending up with people getting shot?

Dushan 20th Nov 2014 13:03

No. Happens all the time. Jeez.

Seldomfitforpurpose 20th Nov 2014 13:06


Originally Posted by Dushan (Post 8750393)

Nothing to see here, move on.


Three folk shot and injured in a school library, a fourth shot and killed and your response is as above.....................


Have things gotten so bad there that this sort of thing is simply dismissible?

rh200 20th Nov 2014 13:12


You don't see the issue with personal disputes ending up with people getting shot?
I have a problem with personal disputes ending with people getting killed. At the moment the gun seems to be convenient, though in other places various other means have been used.

The availability of guns will obviously have an potential amplification factor on said phenomena. What really worries me, is the apparent decay in western societies where we feel we need to go out and kill masses of people etc etc. when we feel like mummy never hugged us enough.

The concentration on the tool, and not the cause, is akin to a doctor not finding the underlying root cause of a problem, and just prescribing drugs to blunt the symptoms.

This is no surprise, as we have been warning for years various leftist policies are leading us down a potentially dangerous path. America is sadly, just leading the pack as usual, with a sickness that is slowly afflicting us all.

Lord Spandex Masher 20th Nov 2014 13:20


Originally Posted by Dushan (Post 8750393)
Sounds like there was a personal dispute, not a crazed gunman killing all in sight. Campus police got him as is their job.

Nothing to see here, move on.

I can't quite put my finger on it but, there's something wrong with you.

PTT 20th Nov 2014 13:23

rh200

I have a problem with personal disputes ending with people getting killed
Indeed, or seriously injured in any other manner. My comment was not about the tool used but about Dushan's apparent dismissal of the phenomenon as "nothing to see here", which harks back to my comments on empathy earlier in the thread.

The availability of guns will obviously have an potential amplification factor
Indeed it does.

Dushan 20th Nov 2014 13:38


Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose (Post 8750420)
Three folk shot and injured in a school library, a fourth shot and killed and your response is as above.....................


Have things gotten so bad there that this sort of thing is simply dismissible?

I bet you a lot more people, with more serious injuries (one of these had only a bullet grazed leg) were taken to hospitals in London, overnight, as a result of bar fights and knifing incidents.

Seldomfitforpurpose 20th Nov 2014 15:24


Originally Posted by Dushan (Post 8750455)
I bet you a lot more people, with more serious injuries (one of these had only a bullet grazed leg) were taken to hospitals in London, overnight, as a result of bar fights and knifing incidents.

I don't doubt and when reported I will still be horrified at what some folk will do to each other.............

brickhistory 20th Nov 2014 15:57

That clever Mr. Smiley is a compassionate guy.

Always looking for what's best for us.

Krystal n chips 20th Nov 2014 18:10

This little article is worth a read.....sadly, nothing seems to have changed....yet,

Run Through the Jungle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Seldomfitforpurpose 20th Nov 2014 19:40


Originally Posted by brickhistory (Post 8750607)
That clever Mr. Smiley is a compassionate guy.

Always looking for what's best for us.


Have a peek at the other US thread, I have done quite a bit of the US in my time and in all those trips and all those folks I met I have yet to meet 'you' , go figure :rolleyes:

brickhistory 20th Nov 2014 21:22

More of that brilliant analysis, drawing disparate threads to weave a picture.

No doubt during those papel-like tours your oh-so-nuanced, oh-so-patronizing lectures left a trail of decommissioned firearms in your wake.

Those simple folk take mighty kindly to instructions by their 'betters.'

rh200 20th Nov 2014 21:29


which harks back to my comments on empathy earlier in the thread.
Whilst I understand where your coming from, I also understand where Dushan is coming from.

The side of politics who likes to use emotion to drive their political agenda tends to over blow and misrepresent situations to move their agenda forward.

I presume his point was it was standard personal dispute ending badly, something unfortunately which appears to becoming common, an not another crazy.

Seldomfitforpurpose 20th Nov 2014 21:31


Originally Posted by brickhistory (Post 8751015)
More of that brilliant analysis, drawing disparate threads to weave a picture.

No doubt during those papel-like tours your oh-so-nuanced, oh-so-patronizing lectures left a trail of decommissioned firearms in your wake.

Those simple folk take mighty kindly to instructions by their 'betters.'

Nope, just met lots of nice military and non military folk :ok:

bcgallacher 20th Nov 2014 21:49

LSM with reference to your last post regarding Dushan - I came to the same conclusion some time ago.

bcgallacher 20th Nov 2014 21:58

Dushan Your reference to stabbings in London is a little unfortunate , US knife killings are higher in proportion to population than the UK. Just another figure for you to ponder on - UK murder rate per 100,000 = 1, US murder rate per 100,000 = 4.7. If the UK is a violent country what does that make the US?

Flash2001 20th Nov 2014 21:58

It seems strange to me that even with rather strict gun control laws, Mexico's murder rate is higher by a factor of 4 or so than that of the US. Is it possible that murder rate is influenced by factors other than firearms legislation?

After an excellent landing etc...

Dushan 20th Nov 2014 22:04


Originally Posted by bcgallacher (Post 8751075)
Dushan Your reference to stabbings in London is a little unfortunate , US knife killings are higher in proportion to population than the UK

Let's assume that it true…

Yet there are no sensational headlines on either side of the Atlantic. Funny that. You think there may be an agenda WRT guns?

Dushan 20th Nov 2014 22:11


Originally Posted by bcgallacher (Post 8751075)
Dushan Your reference to stabbings in London is a little unfortunate , US knife killings are higher in proportion to population than the UK. Just another figure for you to ponder on - UK murder rate per 100,000 = 1, US murder rate per 100,000 = 4.7. If the UK is a violent country what does that make the US?

Pedant mode - on

I didn't say "murder". I said

I bet you a lot more people, with more serious injuries (one of these had only a bullet grazed leg) were taken to hospitals in London, overnight, as a result of bar fights and knifing incidents.




See, I can do it too

Checkboard 20th Nov 2014 22:22


Yet there are no sensational headlines on either side of the Atlantic. Funny that. You think there may be an agenda WRT guns?
Have you looked?

Knife crime | UK news | The Guardian
London knife crime: how bad is it? | UK news | The Guardian
Whatever happened to London's knife-crime epidemic? - Crime - UK - The Independent

etc etc

bcgallacher 20th Nov 2014 22:27

DusHan are you inferring that we just are not very competent at killing each other? We stab and beat each other more frequently but it doesn't result in death so often? Your posts get weirder by the day.

Seldomfitforpurpose 20th Nov 2014 22:33


Originally Posted by bcgallacher (Post 8751112)
Your posts get weirder by the day.

As long as the subject is London or stabbing or even teeth and not guns then his aim is achieved :ok:

Dushan 20th Nov 2014 22:36


Originally Posted by bcgallacher (Post 8751112)
DusHan are you inferring that we just are not very competent at killing each other? We stab and beat each other more frequently but it doesn't result in death so often? Your posts get weirder by the day.

Weird, yes, well…


The headline which started this exchange said:
"Three people shot at Florida State University library, gunman killed | Fox News", the inference by both the news outlet and the poster that they have been killed. After some reading one discovers that one was killed (the perp, good riddance, job well done Campus Security) one was seriously injured and one had a a bullet graze on the leg.

I then commented that in your neck of the woods a lot worse happens and no guns are involved. We are comparing the amount of sensationalism given to gun crime, due to an agenda, when overall injuries by other means at your end are greater and nobody sensationalizes it. It is, what it is, in a big city...

Seldomfitforpurpose 20th Nov 2014 22:50


Originally Posted by Dushan (Post 8751122)

I then commented that in your neck of the woods a lot worse happens and no guns are involved.

Did it occur to you that it's just as likely you had a lot of the same kind of trouble your side of the pond that didn't include guns AS WELL AS the kind of trouble that does include guns...........just sayin :ok:

Dushan 20th Nov 2014 22:51

Yes, exactly, my point. Yet everyone only concentrates on the evil gun. :ugh:


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