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ExRAFRadar 26th Aug 2014 16:31

Lessons will be learnt (Rotherham child abuse scandal)
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-28939089

Is there a crime of aiding and abetting child abusers ?

How these scum (Police, Council) live with themselves I do not know.

And they are scum.

G-CPTN 26th Aug 2014 16:42

It has been said that no action can be taken against the senior police officers who 'condoned' this activity (or at least turned a blind eye whilst knowing fully what was happening).
One father who attempted to get his young daughter from premises where she was being abused was told to 'leave it' and threatened with arrest.

It seems that the 'authorities' were afraid to intervene for risk of being called racist.

Capetonian 26th Aug 2014 16:50

The point I made on the discussion about ID cards applies here :

The fluffies do everything they can to emasculate the forces of law
There are cases, such as this one, where the police should take the side of the innocent, but the scum of the earth seem to have more right to 'protection'.

ExRAFRadar 26th Aug 2014 16:52

"It seems that the 'authorities' were afraid to intervene for risk of being called racist."

Absolutely no excuse. You wear the Uniform, you take the money, do your job.

And these are children for the Love of God. These Council Officers and Police that refused to intervene or investigate, are they not under automatic suspicion that they had a part in it ?

I cannot help but think there is something rotten is in this land and it runs deep.

ExRAFRadar 26th Aug 2014 16:55

How apt this seems:

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

Edmund Burke

air pig 26th Aug 2014 16:59

So Nick Griffin of the BNP and the ex Labour MP for Keithly were not wrong when they raised this some years ago. They were vilified and castigated for raising the subject and about the ethnicity and heritage of the abusers. The reports author was quite clear on SKY News, that the abuse was perpetrated by members of the Pakistani heritage community.

After this report all who were involved in the decision making about these children need to be reported to any professional body that they are registered with, the CPS have to investigate all police officers involved on suspicion of collusion in the commission of a criminal offence, misfeasance in public office and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. I include all social workers, doctors nurses and council officers in any legal action.

The CPS have to have a specialist team to investigate this report and prosecute any and all involved.

[B]Child abuse is a criminal offence not a lifestyle choice as some of these so called professionals have alluded to in the past[/B]

tony draper 26th Aug 2014 17:00

There is a whole strata at the top executive level who are all but untouchable no matter what the disaster they preside over, and if heaven forbid falling on their sword is completely unavoidable they walk out the door with a huge golden goodbye generally straight into another top job after a suitably decent time spent with their families and been forgotten by the media and Joe public of course.
There is also the unspoken reason for reluctance to pursue these cases and that was PC,the Elephant in the room was and is the ethnicity of the majority of those involved.

sitigeltfel 26th Aug 2014 17:02


Originally Posted by ExRAFRadar (Post 8625563)
How apt this seems:

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

Edmund Burke

Men who do nothing when they have knowledge of abuse such as what happened in The Peoples Republic of South Yorkshire, cannot, by any measure, be called "good".

air pig 26th Aug 2014 17:28

Strange (haha) that the major broadsheets such as the Guardian or Telegraph are allowing comment on the story.

500N 26th Aug 2014 17:37


There is also the unspoken reason for reluctance to pursue these cases and that was PC, the Elephant in the room was and is the ethnicity of the majority of those involved.
That about sums up what is wrong in the world and with Political Correctness, when PC trumps going after people for a crime because of "cultural sensitivity" and not wanting to inflame the race debate !!!

Capetonian 26th Aug 2014 17:47


Strange (haha) that the major broadsheets such as the Guardian or Telegraph are allowing comment on the story.
Isn't there a rather crucial three letter word left out .........? (Clue ..... begins with n and ends with t.)

air pig 26th Aug 2014 18:09

Indeed Cape, my grammatical error, unfortunately written in anger brings intemperance.

Chief Superindent from South Yorkshire Police on the hook on Channel 4 news, will not give a straight answer. Trying wriggle off the hook about ethnicity of the perpetrators.

goudie 26th Aug 2014 18:11

What a shit place for children to to live, with useless police, councillors and carers
Men, and we know from where they originate, see young vulnerable girls as fodder for their depravity and apart from the odd conviction they operate with impunity. One cannot help but feel ashamed that one's country allows this to happen. The England, I grew up in, is no more!

500N 26th Aug 2014 18:37


Men, and we know from where they originate, see young vulnerable girls as fodder for their depravity
goudie

I think you forgot the words "boys and" girls !

They don't seem to differentiate !


Stanwell

"Even our usual media muck-rakers are not going near it at the moment.
Wonder why? "


Er, I think you'll find quite a bit of coverage in the SMH and the Age at least - and probably a few others as well. ABC 774 often has stories on it.

Cardinal Pell and the Catholic church have been getting an absolute thrashing over what occurred and for once Cardinal Pell, who is one of the "protected species and "untouchable" has been carpeted well and good and rightly so. Which is why he was probably "promoted" from Archbishop of Sydney to the Vatican to get him out of Aus, where he has since been promoted again :rolleyes:

Some of the stories on the ABC of what these supposed carers did have been horrific.


Edit
Did you see the report on the Vietnamese man who got busted coming back to OZ who had
images of boys on his mobile phone ? He actually stated that this was "normal" behavior in
his homeland and (I quote) "A harmless custom" !!! :rolleyes:

"
A Vietnamese man charged with importing child pornography through Melbourne Airport on his mobile phone has told authorities taking the photographs was a harmless custom in his country.
A Melbourne court heard Si Tan Quan claimed it was a "common custom in Vietnam to take nude photos of boys because you are proud of them".
Mr Quan, 39, said after his arrest on Sunday he took photographs of the boy, aged about eight, because there was pride and happiness "that he was a boy".
Melbourne Magistrates Court was told on Monday he was arrested and charged after customs officers viewed images on his phone of a child in a "sexually explicit pose".

Andy_S 26th Aug 2014 19:11


Originally Posted by air pig (Post 8625661)
Chief Superindent from South Yorkshire Police on the hook on Channel 4 news, will not give a straight answer. Trying wriggle off the hook about ethnicity of the perpetrators.

Isn't this exactly why we have elected PCC's? So they can hold senior police officers to account?? Whoever the PCC is for South Yorkshire should make it clear that this Chief Superintendent no longer holds their confidence. And if the copper doesn't go, then they should be sacked.

This is assuming, of course, that the PCC isn't some local party political hack who was part of the problem to start with......

airship 26th Aug 2014 20:48

Before diving intrepidly into the shallow waters of the main subject, can anyone advise me whether the OP's title "Lessons will be learnt" should have been "Lessons will be learned"? Or can either be used interchangeably? I'm not being antagonistic, I left skool at 13 and 40 years later, I'm still willing to learn...?! :confused:

I fail to see how anyone here could really confuse PC "Political Correctness" in this context, like our esteemed tony draper who wrote:

There is also the unspoken reason for reluctance to pursue these cases and that was PC,the Elephant in the room was and is the ethnicity of the majority of those involved.
With "racism" or any fear of being considered "racist", this supposedly being a primary reason or other excuse for those with knowledge of such sexual-abuse, not to have made their suspicions known, or pursued them to the best of their abilities. It would certainly be "the 1st time" I've ever heard of any UK Police Force ever generally "holding back" or whatever, from exercising the maximum reasonable force against UK minorities in the past, whether that was unreasonable "stop and search" or more justifiable controls during rioting and other unrest etc.

Nah. Quite a few people have their very own personal agendas here. They couldn't give a f*** about the estimated 1,400 children affected over the decades if they were honest. What is important to note is that the "predominantly Pakistani-origin perpetrators" of all this sexual abuse have over recent years been brought to justice nevertheless. It remains to be seen whether all those "that turned a blind eye to all the accusations etc." over the decades, whether employed by the council or in the police etc., however low-placed or in positions of real power and influence will be made to answer seriously. "PC is not a reasonable answer or excuse!" :ugh:

Nervous SLF 26th Aug 2014 21:16

South Yorkshire police yet again involved in even more bad stuff against people. What a fantastic Police Force - NOT.

tony draper 26th Aug 2014 21:55

Much outrage being expressed on Newsnight tonight but I reckon heads will be kept low for a while,a few spear carriers might get the black spot but the top buck earners will continue to earn the top bucks,the buck not stopping with them of course, "I am in charge but I am not responsible"

Sir George Cayley 26th Aug 2014 22:04

I've a problem with the phrase 'lessons will be learnt'. How to go about guarding our young from evil is practiced daily across the land and I'm sure there are shining examples out there.

So the phrase should more properly be 'lessons not learnt'.

SGC

belfrybat 26th Aug 2014 22:07

Odd that the report couldn't be written without any mention of ethnicity. I can't see any reason for not omitting it.

500N 26th Aug 2014 22:08

Sir George

Very good and true point indeed.

Seems every couple of years an example turns up be it the UK, US (the Church), Oz (The Church and other religious orgs that were charge with looking after the children) and probably many others.

Lessons are not learnt, they are swept aside, hidden or forgotten and
some of the people promoted out of the way !!! The Vatican seems a good place to try to move people ! ;)

6000PIC 26th Aug 2014 22:46

The denial of justice to these estimated 1400 vulnerable children is a disgrace for British society and a failure of the Police , social workers , local government , and parents. Those found at fault should be named. All of them.
The enemies of Britain are watching how we respond. Political correctness is destroying the centuries old , hard - won social fabric , morality and ethics of this great nation , and while we're at it , multiculturalism will never work without explicit rights and responsibilities for all. Don't like it ? Don't worry about leaving , you will be deported. See how you like living in Pakistan.
If the enemies of Britain see that we tolerate this by our inaction as a society , well good luck to us all in the future. I put the blame for this at the altar of religion , how's that for PC ?

G-CPTN 26th Aug 2014 23:03

[Tongue in cheek]Forgive them, for they know not what they do[/Tongue in cheek]

500N 26th Aug 2014 23:07

As we are finding out in Aus, it is endemic in some cultures and they don't lose it when they come to a new country.

A good example is underage marriage.

Since a few have been "uncovered" here in Aus, they are now targeting this sector of society.

The same as rape of young girls by Indians and Pakistani's is par for the course in those countries,
although the attitude seems to be changing !

Capot 26th Aug 2014 23:08


"I am in charge but I am not responsible"
Yup, we all know that one, and the other one


"I take full responsibility",
delivered in sonorous tones by the incompetent fool at the top, who has no intention of resigning, paying back the money, what ever it might be. "Taking full responsibility" appears to be fully discharged, in the weird, corrupt world of the great and good, by saying that's what you are doing, and no more.

There are exceptions, and one person involved in the S Yorkshire saga has resigned, having "taken responsibility". Now, what's the betting that he has gone off with a fat pension intact, possibly a pay-off, and a new job in a year or two?

BOING 27th Aug 2014 02:04

"Lessons have been learned" means "Yes, I screwed up royally but overnight I have changed all my ways, been personally forgiven by God and I am now ready to resume my (well paid and cushy) career with a new wisdom and humility. ( If you dumb sods just buy the story).

Feed the B*****ds to the sharks.

500N 27th Aug 2014 02:09

BOING

That first paragraph sounds just like the description of Cardinal Pell,
who went from Archbishop of Melbourne, then Sydney to the Vatican
where he has since been promoted :rolleyes:

All the while responding to what we call over here a "Royal Commission" inquiry about how he and
others covered up abuse in the Catholic Church and paid off victims and hindered them from going
to the Police.

Yep, they get away with Murder.

flash8 27th Aug 2014 02:42


BBC: The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' descriptions of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men.
And the BBC, quoting "Asian" rather than the specific ethnicity of the abusers is just as complicit. You couldn't make it up.

What a shit country the UK really is now, it really has sunk to unimaginable depths.

I feel less proud to be British as every day passes.

sitigeltfel 27th Aug 2014 05:38

An insight into the mindset of those who are running the show...


"we should not concentrate on the fact that the majority of the perpetrators were of Pakistani origin because this will lead people to overlook other races who are involved in these practices."
A commentator on R4 last night.

ExRAFRadar 27th Aug 2014 05:59

I used "Lessons will be learnt" in an ironic sense because that is what these scum ALWAYS say.

As to learnt or learned :

"What is the difference between learned and learnt?
These are alternative forms of the past tense and past participle of the verb learn. Learnt is more common in British English, and learned in American English. There are a number of verbs of this type (burn, dream, kneel, lean, leap, spell, spill, spoil etc.). They are all irregular verbs, and this is a part of their irregularity

source: Ask Oxford.com (Oxford Dictionaries)"

Now FFS get a life or at least Google it before hijacking a thread on Child Abuse with discussions about the English Language.

500N 27th Aug 2014 06:21

siti

That is one of the biggest cop outs I have seen.

How about "bust this Paki lot and then look for others in other cultures".

sitigeltfel 27th Aug 2014 06:29

People at the top of Rotherham Council are refusing to resign.....


Strategic Director of Children and Young Peoples Services: 125,530
Strategic Director Development Services: 125,530
Strategic Director of Neighbourhoods and Adults Services: 125,530
Strategic Director of Resources: 132,954

Where else would such useless people find employment except in this Socialist cabal?

Remember, this was the council that removed children from a foster family because they were supporters of a heinous organisation called UKIP.


Following the removal of the children after two months of care, the couple, in their fifties, told the BBC they were "bereft".
They said they were told their care was exemplary, but their UKIP membership had presented a "safeguarding issue for the children".
The couple said they had joined UKIP because of its stance on Europe, but social workers said the party had "racist" policies.
Following an internal review, Rotherham Council said it had taken action to strengthen the way it made decisions and how it communicated information.
It said there were still "important lessons" to be learned.
BBC News - Rotherham Council apologises over UKIP foster row

I know what lessons should be impressed on those responsible, but they will probably be allowed to slither away with their pensions intact.

SOPS 27th Aug 2014 06:46

It is simply time to get rid of PC and start mass deportations. It is obvious now that these people hate the west and the western countries that they live in. It is time to send them all back to the cultures they desire to live in. Then they can shoot, kill, blow up, rape who ever they want. All while banging their heads on the floor 5 times a day.

500N 27th Aug 2014 06:59


Then they can shoot, kill, blow up, rape who ever they want. All while banging their heads on the floor 5 times a day.
You forgot "screwing the pooch" or goat or donkey or whatever the want to fck !.

I'd even say they will be given a free suicide vest each as well as any animal they choose ;)

Andy_S 27th Aug 2014 07:26


Originally Posted by Andy_S (Post 8625759)
This is assuming, of course, that the PCC isn't some local party political hack who was part of the problem to start with......

Jeez.... I genuinely had no idea how quickly it would come to light....

BBC News - Rotherham child abuse: Commissioner faces calls to resign

500N 27th Aug 2014 07:34

Andy

It gets worse. In that link, the PCC was "PCC Shaun Wright was responsible for children's services at
Rotherham Council from 2005 to 2010."

So not only is he now PCC but was in charge of the children during that time !

You could not make it up !

sitigeltfel 27th Aug 2014 07:35


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 8626405)
It is obvious now that these people hate the west and the western countries that they live in. It is time to send them all back to the cultures they desire to live in. Then they can shoot, kill, blow up, rape who ever they want. All while banging their heads on the floor 5 times a day.


They're not happy

They're not happy in Gaza ..
They're not happy in Egypt ..
They're not happy in Libya ..
They're not happy in Morocco ..
They're not happy in Iran ..
They're not happy in Iraq ..
They're not happy in Yemen ...
They're not happy in Afghanistan ...
They're not happy in Pakistan ..
They're not happy in Syria ..
They're not happy in Lebanon ..

SO... WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?

They're happy in Australia ..
They're happy in Canada ..
They're happy in England ..
They're happy in France ..
They're happy in Italy ....
They're happy in Germany ..
They're happy in Sweden ...
They're happy in the USA ..
They're happy in Norway ...
They're happy in Holland ..
They're happy in Denmark ...


Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim
and unhappy in every country that is!

AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?

Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.

THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN !

AND THEN - They want to change those countries to be like
THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY!
Excuse me, but I can't help wondering...
How damned dumb can you get?
Everyone seems to be wondering why Muslim
Terrorists are so quick to commit suicide.
Lets have a look at the evidence:
- No Christmas
- No television
- No nude women
- No football
- No pork chops
- No hot dogs
- No burgers
- No beer
- No bacon
- Rags for clothes
- Towels for hats
- Constant wailing from some idiot in a tower
- More than one wife
- More than one mother-in-law
- You can't shave
- Your wife can't shave
- You can't wash off the smell of donkeys
- You cook over burning camel shit
- Your wife is picked by someone else for you
- and your wife smells worse than your donkey
- Then they tell them that "when they die, it all gets better"???

Well No Shit Sherlock!....
It's not like it could get much worse!

tony draper 27th Aug 2014 07:36

There is a obvious sociological reason for the phenomenon, in that culture they are not allowed even a sniff of the females of their own society until their wedding night, and the girls know if they even stray slightly they are liable to end up being buried somewhere on the moors by pop and bro for offending family honor,ergo if they dont want to spend most of their lives pulling themselves they look around and see what is easiest available.
They live by the rules of a religion designed to keep a bunch of illiterate goat herders living in a tent village under control and prevent them nobbing each others wives and daughters and sharing the bairns out at xmas.


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