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SOPS 14th Feb 2016 00:30

For anyone that needs clarity.....
Funding to Malek Fahd Islamic School axed over concerns about financial management - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Ethel the Aardvark 14th Feb 2016 00:49

Thanks John. Much the same as the Catholic Church then.
Meanwhile back at the ranch Lib ministers are resigning in droves. What s lovely bunch!

CoodaShooda 14th Feb 2016 02:07

Meanwhile, in the Far North, our Legislative Assembly has passed an amendment to the Electoral Act to introduce optional, preferential voting.

The amendment got through on the minimum majority and is being sold as a means to not disenfranchise our pool of semi-literate, regularly informal voters.

Labor sees it as an attack on their harvesting of Green voters' preferences.

I'll be more interested in seeing how many literate voters now choose to not mark any of the Country Liberals, Labor and Green candidates' boxes; particularly as we are likely to be hit with election advertising overload with local and federal elections due at much the same time.

It might be an exciting time to be an agile independent in the Northern Territory.

At ease 14th Feb 2016 03:23

@Ethel


Thanks John. Much the same as the Catholic Church then.
Have you ever been a member of a Catholic congregation, or been to a Catholic school?

Please enlighten us all as to your up close and personal observations.

Not "I heard it from a bloke at the pub" or "I saw it on the 7:30 Report", but first hand experience with church child abuse.

I'm all ears(eyes?).

I know I spent 12 years at Catholic schools, and not a single whisper heard, or a single episode experienced or observed.

Please put up, or consider yourself disqualified from entering into judgement.

The real rate of such events, though abhorent, are very, very low.

Stanwell 14th Feb 2016 04:05

SOPS,
Thanks for the link.
Sounds very much like a similar scandal that came to a head in the UK last year.


At ease,
My, you have led a sheltered existence, haven't you?

At ease 14th Feb 2016 04:33

You too Stanwell.

Can you offer any first hand examples of either yourself or your children being sexually abused by Catholic clergy.

If so, have the police and other lawful authorities been notified?

I spent 12 years at Catholic schools on Sydney's north shore, and then spent 6 years studying part time at Macquarie university.

Both of my older siblings have similar educational experiences to myself with the exception that my sister studied full time at Sydney, rather than at Macquarie University, where my brother studied full time rather than part time like myself.

Neither during my time in places of learning, employment in a number of different situations in private or public service, or socially, I have not personally met anyone who claimed to be molested by anyone in the Catholic church.

My elder siblings have never relayed to me anything untoward.

Between the three of us, that is a vast number of educational, employment and social connections who have either not spoken up because there was nothing to speak about, or there is a systematic and evil conspiracy being played out in Sydney.

Apply sound reasoning and determine for youself which situation is more likely to be the truth.

If I had lived on a small island or isolated country town your contention of leading a sheltered life may have some chance of being validated.

However, as I lived, studied and worked in Australia's largest city all of my life until moving to the country(near HMAS Albatross) just over 3 years ago your contention has a strong suggestion of vindictive bias.

As such, you are not making a useful contribution to this discussion.

As I said to Chuboy, please provide first hand evidence or please consider yourself as one not to be taken seriously.

Whilst that situation remains, I suggest that it would be in the best interests of all forum participants that you do not continue to make posts that do not have a foundation in impartial honesty.

bosnich71 14th Feb 2016 04:43

At Ease ...don't attempt logic on this site,you will only get yourself 'rested'.

Stanwell 14th Feb 2016 05:03

At ease,
Perhaps a nice cup of tea, a Bex and a good lie down might be in order.

FYI, I do have first hand examples - but I certainly don't feel inclined to share them on this or any other internet forum.
If you're seriously interested in the subject, there's a wealth of factual material available to serious researchers.
Please avail yourself of it.

In the meantime, lack of knowledge or personal experience does not entitle you to make sweeping assertions nor cast aspersions.
Perhaps you might be better equipped to discuss the subject after you've taken the trouble to educate yourself on it.

Alternatively, you can continue to wallow around in a state of denial, expecting those that do know something about the subject to spoon feed you.
That's not the way things work in the real world, mate.

Ethel the Aardvark 14th Feb 2016 05:16

Apologies at ease. I was referring to the other Catholic Church where old Georgie Porgie is too unwell to leave his million dollar Vatican apartment and give evidence�� My mistake

At ease 14th Feb 2016 05:22

@Stanwell

I am NOT saying that sexual abuse has not happened.

For the record, I will state that they have.

However, I cannot make up stories that I have not experienced.

I cannot make up stories that people I know have had these things happen to them.

Would you like me to make up stories so that I can appear empathetic?

That's a big ask.

Some people are adaptable, pragmatic and able to go whichever way is most convenient for them.

I am cut from a different cloth.

If you do have direct experience of wrong doings, I'm sure you can offer some insight as to how extensive such indiscretions are, rather than make suggestions that others who have not had such experiences are somewhat mentally overexerted.

I believe the incidence of such events is very very low.

If you wish to assert otherwise, you might like to provide some facts and figures leaving out, of course, any "too close to home" material.

Your earlier post #19456 makes no mention of such matters.

Why are you introducing such a "bombshell" at a later time?

Anyway, I am happy to look at any numbers that you can come up with.

If you do, it would be illustrative if you could compare such instances with the numbers of children who have received a Catholic school education say, in the last hundred or so years- go further back if you like.

I have an understanding as to how low the number might be in percentage terms.

Let's see how close you can get.

At ease 14th Feb 2016 05:24

@Ethel,


Apologies at ease. I was referring to the other Catholic Church where old Georgie Porgie is too unwell to leave his million dollar Vatican apartment and give evidence�� My mistake
I believe the evidence that he will be giving is via a video link.


Cardinal George Pell has been excused from giving evidence in person to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.

Cardinal Pell will appear before the inquiry by video link from Rome to give evidence on church abuse in Ballarat.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-0...person/7149012

And confirming, you don't have any direct experience of such matters.

You only have an axe to grind.

Stanwell 14th Feb 2016 05:49

Oh, dear.
Comprehension's not your strong suit, is it?
Please take the trouble to read the relevant foregoing posts with a bit more care - after the cup of tea etc.


OK, just to make it easy for you, I'll repeat a line from my previous post.
"If you're seriously interested in the subject, there's a wealth of factual material available to serious researchers.
Please avail yourself of it."


I thought I made it clear that I'm not interested in discussing the subject with someone who's obviously shown no previous interest in it.
And, for that matter, expects all the answers from a forum supposedly dedicated to political matters.
.

At ease 14th Feb 2016 05:54

In other words, you are not able, or finding it too hard, to present facts and figures.

And as far as comprehension goes, I completed my Economics degree in 1986.

I know my education at a reasonably difficult level is verified.

How about yours?

Ethel the Aardvark 14th Feb 2016 05:58

Thanks at ease. As a previous poster was suggesting that there was child abuse in the Muslim world I was comparing it too the Catholic world. Thanks for confirming the apparent similarities.

At ease 14th Feb 2016 06:04

So, you wern't aware, or did not like to admit that Cardinall Pell is indeed giving evidence.

Which is it?

Squirm away.

At ease 14th Feb 2016 06:07


Oh, dear.
Comprehension's not your strong suit, is it?
Please take the trouble to read the relevant foregoing posts with a bit more care - after the cup of tea etc.


OK, just to make it easy for you, I'll repeat a line from my previous post.
"If you're seriously interested in the subject, there's a wealth of factual material available to serious researchers.
Please avail yourself of it."
As I said in #19469, I am happy to look at, and discuss, any concrete numbers that you are able to put forward.

Surely, that is being reasonable?

I am quite happy for you NOT to make any reference to incidences where you have a personal attachment.

I'm sure that is also reasonable.

Stanwell 14th Feb 2016 06:15

One final time and that's it.
I'm disinclined to spoon-feed you.
Come back when you have some knowledge of the subject, please.

At ease 14th Feb 2016 06:22

No, you are incapable of putting your money where your mouth is.

I have first hand knowledge of the subject.

I did not experience any instances of abuse.

My siblings didn't.

My mother, church school in Wauchope but only till year 8, didn't

Very few other Catholic school children in Australia have either, compared to the millions who have attended.

I am giving you an opportunity to disprove what I am saying.

Please provide "chapter and verse".

I will be happy to discuss it with you.

dr dre 14th Feb 2016 06:29


Originally Posted by At ease (Post 9269235)
@Ethel

Have you ever been a member of a Catholic congregation, or been to a Catholic school?

Please enlighten us all as to your up close and personal observations.

Not "I heard it from a bloke at the pub" or "I saw it on the 7:30 Report", but first hand experience with church child abuse.

I'm all ears(eyes?).

I know I spent 12 years at Catholic schools, and not a single whisper heard, or a single episode experienced or observed.

Please put up, or consider yourself disqualified from entering into judgement.

The real rate of such events, though abhorent, are very, very low.


A priest at my mother's church, after the turn of the century, in a town in rural Australia. I will not repeat here what crimes he committed but he was most definately found guilty. There was also failures on behalf of the parish leaders when they allowed him to work in their diocese.

And for more sickening reading (I can't believe I have to post this in 2016):
Black Collar Crime | Broken Rites Australia

https://www.google.com/m/search?pz=1...06.rLNRBdiKyAM

Hempy 14th Feb 2016 06:35

A belief in the sky fairies whatever their colour or denomination, especially after one becomes old enough for independent thought, is simply the result of either brainwashing or a feeble mind tbh.


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