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Worrals in the wilds 14th Nov 2015 10:01


The panel: The Australian’s Janet Albrechtsen and Dan Tehan, chairman of Parliament’s intelligence and security committee.
Jeez, that'll be objective :rolleyes:. Panel or Fan Club? Bias is not solely an ABC prerogative.:}

A fence maybe their only answer.
That wouldn't help the Italians. Our boat problem pales into insignificance when compared to theirs.

SOPS 15th Nov 2015 01:49

Can anyone explain to me why idiots like this lot, are let into the country in the first place?



Mother found guilty of mutilating her two young daughter's genitals | Daily Mail Online

Flying Binghi 16th Nov 2015 02:40


via SOPS:
Can anyone explain to me why idiots like this lot, are let into the country in the first place?
Probably the idiotic mindset of these clowns...

Malcolm Turnbull has delivered a slap-down to Tony Abbott for lecturing European leaders.”

“Malcolm Turnbull has repudiated Tony Abbott.”

“There will be no ‘lecture’ to Ms Merkel about the lessons from Australia’s policy of turning back asylum seeker boats.”


Column - So late to the Islamic debate | Herald Sun Andrew Bolt Blog




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parabellum 16th Nov 2015 03:33

Marshmallow Malcolm, at his best :rolleyes:

MTOW 16th Nov 2015 22:06

If reports this morning that ONE FAMILY of five (Muslim) Syrian refugees, (the first of 'our' 1200 refugees from Syria), were flown to Australia on a charter flight are true, a new phrase has been added to the Australian lexicon.

In the 1950s we had "10 Pound Poms". Under Malcolm Turnbull, today we have "Million Dollar Muslims".

chuboy 17th Nov 2015 01:02

Hard to believe that a charter flight was used for just five people. BUT the reports did say there was a medical condition involved and this family is getting expedited accordingly. So perhaps commercial was not possible.

Not privy to operating costs of course but I really doubt it cost 5 million dollars to send a plane to Syria and back. If so, maybe it's time to trim the fat in the RAAF?

10 pound poms are different of course, they were economic migrants not asylum seekers ;);)

At ease 17th Nov 2015 01:31

But at the time, of course, Australia was not facing the stress of overpopulation of most of it's urban areas, unemployment was very low, and the new arrivals were going to be largely productive/taxpaying members of society.

On the other hand, future family reunions are only going to cost the nation funds, rather than adding to them.

And it is worth noting that at least they paid something towards their passage, and were liable to repay a certain amount if they elected to leave Australia and resettle o/s permanently.

porch monkey 17th Nov 2015 02:33

We have become a country of suckers.

megan 17th Nov 2015 03:08


10 pound poms are different of course, they were economic migrants not asylum seekers
And they didn't jump into the dole/welfare line either, they had a job the day they arrived (at least in my part of the world back then).

MTOW 17th Nov 2015 04:15

Re the 'first' family of five: I heard on the radio this morning that it consists of a 35 y.o. father, a 17 (or was it [hopefully] 19?) year old mother, two (or was it three?) kids and a bun in the oven. The mother is close to full term and with complications, hence the charter flight.

No further comment required except to say "Who chooses the lucky winners?" And yes, the family is Muslim and not one of the persecuted minorities.

Ethel the Aardvark 17th Nov 2015 04:20

Must be that window period in the month where all the preppers come out of their fall out shelters

sitigeltfel 17th Nov 2015 04:53

Muslims launch their own Australian Political party.


Launching the party in Sydney, founder Diaa Mohamed told Fairfax he wanted a louder voice for Muslims.
You'll have to shout louder. We can't hear you over the cacophony of explosions, gunfire and suicide bombs.

parabellum 17th Nov 2015 10:38

If Lambie can get a seat with 0.15% of the vote then this outfit should be a shoe in. That will be the thin edge of the wedge. Frightening.


(I hear the nurses in the dementia ward of Ethel's home were very busy this afternoon and Ethel managed to get to a computer).

Ethel the Aardvark 17th Nov 2015 12:57

Sorry to break the news Para but you are a lot closer to the morphine porridge than me
Nice little explanation by Walleed Aly, explains it quite well for one of those foreign looking chaps

chuboy 17th Nov 2015 21:58


Originally Posted by At ease (Post 9182822)
But at the time, of course, Australia was not facing the stress of overpopulation of most of it's urban areas, unemployment was very low, and the new arrivals were going to be largely productive/taxpaying members of society.

On the other hand, future family reunions are only going to cost the nation funds, rather than adding to them.

And it is worth noting that at least they paid something towards their passage, and were liable to repay a certain amount if they elected to leave Australia and resettle o/s permanently.

Agree completely, the last thing we want is more "refugees" like this one... Brisbane asylum seeker accepts Year 12 certificate behind detention bars

I much prefer the homegrown Aussies who are behind bars when they are supposed to be accepting their Year 12 certificate :cool:


Originally Posted by parabellum (Post 9183142)
If Lambie can get a seat with 0.15% of the vote then this outfit should be a shoe in. That will be the thin edge of the wedge. Frightening.

Not really. When was the last time that happened before the last election? How many other candidates achieved a handful of votes and didn't get elected?

It's all to do with preferences. Besides with a popular leader there will not be as many protest votes going to minor parties either. If I were sitting on the fringes of the right wing like you I'd be more worried about the Greens getting votes from all the people who are repelled by Bill Shorten, but who can't bring themselves to vote for the Liberal Party ;)

parabellum 17th Nov 2015 23:37

Possibly Chuboy, possibly but my fear is that this new Muslim party may get enough votes in their own right to get a member in the Senate and many more to follow. :=:(

At ease 18th Nov 2015 00:12

@Chuboy

Us right wingers are frequently being told by people such as yourself that it is only the extremist Muslims that we need to fear - ergo the rest are OK and are just wonderful people.

But in the situation you pointed to, it would seem that the whole of Iran is populated by Muslims that are obviously quite objectionable:


If returned to Iran, Ms Shamsalipoor faces prison and physical threats, exacerbated by her decision to take part in multicultural dance festivals.
Under strict Muslim law in Iran, a woman cannot dance and clearly display her face in public, Ms Walker said.
Ms Shamsalipoor sought asylum in Australia in 2012 after fleeing an arranged marriage to a 60-year-old man and several assaults in Iran.
Read more: Brisbane asylum seeker accepts Year 12 certificate behind detention bars
Follow us: @brisbanetimes on Twitter | brisbanetimes on Facebook

The system in Iran is obviously oppressive to women.

Also obvious is that most other Muslim nations are the same or similar.

But you are calling out the evil Australian federal government for not wanting to provide refuge for this woman or for the literally hundreds of million women who are in the same or similar situation.

Where are the calls from the United Nations, for one, calling out the oppression that exists worldwide.

Where is the condemnation from ALL world leaders calling on Muslim nations to change their tune.

"Muslims are peaceful",..... we have nothing to fear from moderate muslims", blab, blab, blab.

But it would appear that whole nations are involved.

Set your outrage bus on a course that will address these matters, rather than castigating the decisions of the Australian government, and by implication, Australians generally.

"We didn't start the fire, it was always burnin' since the world was turnin' "

Sing along with me Chuboy

Another thing that confuses me, is that having fled from male persecution under a muslim system, it appears that she is marrying another muslim.

Go figure.

Jeps 18th Nov 2015 00:31

I say Islam is a bad idea, I extend that to all religion. What the MSM isnt reporting for whatever reason is that Daesh is brittle, weak and on the verge of being defeated. They can put out their propaganda BS in slick, well produced and edited videos but at the end of the day the end is nigh. Now, what the experts are saying (who again are not getting any airtime) is that if you want to destroy them in a few weeks you have to put boots on the ground, and therein lies the problem....

chuboy 18th Nov 2015 00:40


Originally Posted by At ease (Post 9183948)
@Chuboy

Us right wingers are frequently being told by people such as yourself that it is only the extremist Muslims that we need to fear - ergo the rest are OK and are just wonderful people.

But in the situation you pointed to, it would seem that the whole of Iran is populated by Muslims that are obviously quite objectionable:

[/COLOR][LEFT][COLOR=#000000] Read more: Brisbane asylum seeker accepts Year 12 certificate behind detention bars
Follow us: @brisbanetimes on Twitter | brisbanetimes on Facebook

The system in Iran is obviously oppressive to women.

No disagreement from me, like many countries in that region which have been influenced by the more radical strains of Islam, it seems like a pretty average place to live as far as human rights are concerned.

Also obvious is that most other Muslim nations are the same or similar.
Some of them, definitely. All or most? I am not so certain. And just because the laws are draconian does not mean the people subjected to them are.

It is of course worth pointing out that "most" of the Western world either still has, or had until recently, laws which were based on the "morals" set out by Christianity. Marriage between a man and a woman, homosexuality illegal, opening your shop on Sunday illegal, etc etc. The Bible is not exactly a bastion of feminism and if you ask one of the basket weavers that took a subject in Gender Studies at uni they will tell you the western world suppressed women for quite some time. Some will argue they still are but that is not something I like to talk to about :p


But you are calling out the evil Australian federal government for not wanting to provide refuge for this woman or for the literally hundreds of million women who are in the same or similar situation.
Never called anyone out. I know we can't help every one of the millions of poverty-stricken or oppressed wretches out there. Just saying that this refugee has achieved more in a detention centre than many (Anglo) Aussie-born people I know, who have freely wasted every opportunity our fine society has attempted to offer them.

It's not fair to tar them all with a brush, and even if we can't take them all it makes sense to take this one.

Where are the calls from the United Nations, for one, calling out the oppression that exists worldwide.

Where is the condemnation from ALL world leaders calling on Muslim nations to change their tune.
Not sure. Saudi Arabia even managed to end up on the Human Rights Commission. Don't they still have regulated maximum wages for domestic servants? :ugh:

Also a good time to point out, who says we hold a moral high ground here? What makes you think the exact set of values we accept today are the right ones, and that any more freedom is objectively a step too far? Why are we necessarily the moral authority?


"Muslims are peaceful",..... we have nothing to fear from moderate muslims", blab, blab, blab.
Well most of them are. There are billions of Muslims. How many of them have ever beaten someone up, let alone killed a person?

Another thing that confuses me, is that having fled from male persecution under a muslim system, it appears that she is marrying another muslim.
Perhaps this may surprise you, but even though the two men are both Muslims, that does not make them the same person. My guess is that the first male was an asshole anyway, it was after all an arranged marriage. I don't think the issue was that he was Muslim. The second male could be quite the gentleman as far as you know!

MTOW 18th Nov 2015 00:44

Reports on 2GB this morning that the founder of the very new Muslim Party has form in organising collections for charitable institutions and then not being able to explain where all the donations went.

Sounds like he'd be right at home in our Senate.


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