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Worrals in the wilds 4th Nov 2015 10:28


I am wondering if, whilst his popularity is high, Turnbull isn't planning on engineering a dispute with the opposition that gives him an excuse for a DD election? GST could be the trigger, Shorten has already said that he and his party won't support a raise in the rate.
IMHO, Hells no. Why call a DD now? :confused:
Under Turnbull, the Coalition have exited their winter of discontent and entered a glorious summer of York (Richard III, 1.1), at least for the time being. :hmm::}
Richard III: Entire Play
Of course as we Aussies know, Summer isn't all it's cracked up to be; unpleasantly hot and with lots of snakes crawling around. However, for the first time in a long while, the Libs are actually kind of popular. Why screw that up with a big, expensive early election that will annoy a lot of mainstream voters? :\ Particularly when Shorten's biggest advantage was that He Wasn't Tony. My bet is that Turnbull will hang in as long as he can in the hope that Labor will continue to be very average. Nothing to lose and everything to gain...after all, they are in government. Anything else is a potential loss.

They already control the Reps. They don't control the Senate, but very few Australian governments have. The X benchers are unpredictable, but largely dissaffected centre-conservatives. To my mind, Abbott and Joyce's alienation of the Senate cross bench illustrated their political incompetence, because said X benchers are largely mainstream conservative/ dissaffected Nats. When you look at their profiles they are not traditional Labor supporters, but they were driven left by some scary stuff from the Liberal right. Strange bedfellows indeed, but everyone has the right to climb out of bed the next morning and say 'ooh, okay, that was fun and I'll call you, honest...' and then shimmy down the back stairs and look for a taxi. My hunch is that now Abbott is gone, Shorten may find himself short of cross dressers/sorry cross bencher bedfellows in the very near future. :ooh::}

Shorten can bang on all he likes about the GST, but the Labor states are a bit soggy wrt a GST increase; they're long on motherhood press grabs and short on actual 'fight this on the barricades' statements. :hmm: As Keating once said, never stand between a State Premier and a bucket of money.

he hasn't actually done a damned thing since usurping the prime ministership
He hasn't had to. All he's had to say is that he isn't Tony Abbott and the polls have accordingly gone Boing. IME, from the lunchroom/toolbox POV he's taken the federal government out of play; since Tone's demise, the average person has stopped being interested in federal politics. Like it or not, that's a win for the government, and Labor will need to work harder.

Hempy 4th Nov 2015 11:38


parabellum 5th Nov 2015 00:20

Worrals - My reason for suggesting a DD might happen is because by the next scheduled general election Turnbull may have lost a lot of his popularity with the voting public simply because he is doing very little of substance and when he does start doing something it and he may not be so popular!

chuboy 5th Nov 2015 03:50

Of substance?

He has put all sorts of funding forward for projects like the Gold Coast Light Rail (a project that has been a great success according to people who have used it).

Put a stop to the endless tail-chasing of Tony Abbott and frontbench vs. media headlines.

Initiated a conversation about raising the GST, something Tony vowed never to consider.

Business confidence has increased.

What more do you want? Are you still bitter that your old-school, uber-conservative PM of Australia experiment failed miserably?

parabellum 5th Nov 2015 04:41

The Gold Coast Light Rail project commenced on the 20th July 2014, quite how do you give credit for this to Turnbull?



KDR Gold Coast Pty Ltd commenced operating the light rail as 'G:link' on 20 July 2014. Fast, frequent trams now connect 16 light rail stations along a 13 kilometre route from Broadbeach to Gold Coast University Hospital.
City of Gold Coast website.

At best Turnbull can claim credit for endorsing stage 2


Put a stop to the endless tail-chasing of Tony Abbott and frontbench vs. media headlines.
I give most of the credit for the 'tail chasing vs. media headlines' to Fairfax Media and the ABC, dedicted to bring about the downfall of both Abbott and the LNP.

Hempy 5th Nov 2015 06:52


Originally Posted by parabellum
Fairfax Media and the ABC, dedicted to bring about the downfall of both Abbott and the LNP.

Paranoia again. The message was 'either there's a downfall of Abbott or it will be the downfall of the LNP.'

And Fairfax and the ABC didn't need to tell anyone that, anyone without cataracts or severe tunnel vision could see it with their own eyes!!

parabellum 5th Nov 2015 11:25


And Fairfax and the ABC didn't need to tell anyone that, anyone without cataracts or severe tunnel vision could see it with their own eyes!!
They must really love you Hempy, taken in, as you obviously have been, hook, line and sinker.

Hempy 5th Nov 2015 12:00

So you're telling me Abbott would have won the next election then? If I've been 'taken in' hook line and sinker, you've been delivered to the market, purchased, gutted, filleted, pan fried, served, digested and ultimately passed..

The LNP caucus diagrees with you btw.

Abbott was a blithering idiot. You didn't need to be a political scientist to work that out. Average Joe and Jane were compos mentis enough to work it out every time he opened his trap*

Hempy 5th Nov 2015 12:08

*

chuboy 5th Nov 2015 13:04


Originally Posted by parabellum (Post 9169926)
The Gold Coast Light Rail project commenced on the 20th July 2014, quite how do you give credit for this to Turnbull?


City of Gold Coast website.

At best Turnbull can claim credit for endorsing stage 2

Exactly what I was referring to. Unlike his predecessor Turnbull doesn't mind railways for public transport.

Stage 2 will now be funded and complete for the Comm Games.

parabellum 6th Nov 2015 06:44

So Hempy, if Abbott was that useless why was the ALP so anxious to get rid of him? If he was as useless as you suggest, then surely they would have been happy to see him lead the LNP to oblivion at the next election? Way things are today they have shot themselves in the foot and will remain in opposition for at least the next four years also, ;

So you're telling me Abbott would have won the next election then?
Nope, neither said it or suggested it.

Abbott was a blithering idiot
Faults yes, a 'blithering idiot', I don't think so.

chuboy 6th Nov 2015 07:39


Originally Posted by parabellum (Post 9171300)
So Hempy Way things are today they have shot themselves in the foot and will remain in opposition for at least the next four years also,

Agree 100%

Stanwell 6th Nov 2015 10:01

IMHO, it'll take Labor at least that long to become an effective Opposition, let alone being seriously considered as an alternative government.
They have a considerable amount of self-examination and re-building to do before anybody will take them seriously again.


In other news, I noticed Senator Brandis proclaiming that Mr Abbott had been the victim of incessant bigotry because of his religion. Really?
So, there we go then. Further evidence that he was just a poor, misunderstood fellow - not an incompetent fool like we thought.
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Hempy 6th Nov 2015 10:53


Originally Posted by Parabellum
So Hempy, if Abbott was that useless why was the ALP so anxious to get rid of him?

I don't know. Maybe they wanted a better leader for the country like everyone else. I only recall the ALP calling for him to resign a couple of times maybe. I don't recall them calling on his own party to stab him in the back.

Unless you are still saying that Fairfax and the ABC are the ALP. If so :ugh:


If he was as useless as you suggest, then surely they would have been happy to see him lead the LNP to oblivion at the next election? Way things are today they have shot themselves in the foot and will remain in opposition for at least the next four years also,
He was. An' yeah, sucked in to them hey? I've already stated the Libs will get my vote next election unless they seriously f:mad:k up between now and then, so I couldn't really care less

Fubaar 6th Nov 2015 10:57

All those saying that Labor will not return to the Government benches for many years forget the incredibly short memory of the average Australian voter. If Labor offers enough 'free stuff', a distressingly large number of voters will tick 'Vote 1, Labor' without spending one moment considering where that 'free stuff' is coming from.

Or they feel Labor should be 'punished', vote Greens. (Give me strength.)

parabellum 6th Nov 2015 11:41


I only recall the ALP calling for him to resign a couple of times maybe. I don't recall them calling on his own party to stab him in the back.
The ALP campaign was an unremitting campaign from the day the LNP came to power, the ALP won, be careful what you wish for.

Saltie 6th Nov 2015 12:50

More accurately, the ABC and Fairfax won. Never before has this country been so ill-served by such a partisan press.

Eddie Dean 6th Nov 2015 14:30

Fubaar, memory of a goldfish, when one considers the Qld state election.

Fubaar 6th Nov 2015 20:20

I agree, Eddie. But just to muddy the waters even further, in Queensland there was the rather extraordinary, some would say unique, Alan Jones factor. Campbell Newman learned a rather salutary lesson that you don't diss a queen with an overwhelming sense of self importance who has access to a microphone.

MTOW 9th Nov 2015 04:11

Love the new nickname for Malcolm Turnleft on the Pickering site:

"WWW" - "the Waffling W-a-nker from Wentworth".


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