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Andu 1st Jan 2013 21:43


People who insisted on commenting about issues that were completely removed from their expertise.
Given that from her public comments on every subject I've ever heard her pronounce and pontificate upon, she fills the criterion above to a 'T', may I nominate Sarah Hansenhypentwodads as the first contemporary nominee?

Malcolm Fraser and Paul Keating would be close to the top in the very highly populated 'has beens' category.

parabellum 1st Jan 2013 21:52

Worrals, another category might be:

"Any ex union official who, having ripped off their union mates for several years have reached a level of dishonesty and corruption that qualifies them to be parachuted into an ALP seat and rise to high office in a Labour government".......? ;)

Dark Knight 1st Jan 2013 22:06

Labor start the new year with the same traditions of dishonesty, deceit & untruthfulness.

Jenny (Useless?) Macklin says she "of course I can live on the dole" however the official transcript from her office says her comments `inaudible'. Later clarified that that a nearby vehicle made the mobile phone transcript inaudible.

The TV footage is very clear and concise with no nearby vehicle audible.

This is a deceitful act, is dishonest and whilst the Minister may not have said directly her comment is inaudible (that is, she was untruthful however, someone with in her office was) the actions & responsibility for actions within or from her office stop with her/are her responsibility!

It is going to be a great year!

Captain Sand Dune 1st Jan 2013 22:11


A HOMELESS nomad who spends most of the year wandering overseas has won the right to keep his welfare payment after arguing his pension goes further in South-East Asia than in Australia.
The 62-year-old's disability pension was initially cancelled in March because he did not have a fixed address in Australia, did not meet the residential requirements needed for the payment and spent two-thirds of the year overseas.
The man, who suffers from schizophrenia, has lived a nomadic lifestyle for decades and has been receiving the pension since April 1984.
For the past 10 years he has spent most of his time roaming Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Thailand, Singapore, Laos, China and Vietnam; countries where he is able to survive on his pension.
Now, the Administrative Appeals Tribunal has overturned the departmental decision to cut his pension, ruling he needed to travel overseas because of his dire poverty.
"His travel overseas is linked to the difficulties he has faced as a homeless person in Australia and his current lack of assets," the AAT ruled
"He does not travel to one country in South-East Asia but moves around. The applicant says he travels to South-East Asia mainly because this enables him to get a room with a TV and airconditioning together with three meals a day and some beer money within the tight parameters of the pension payment.
"The applicant is unable to afford accommodation in Australia on his pension."
When he is in Australia he moves around frequently but considers campsites around Darwin his home base and avoids Melbourne and Sydney because of the cooler weather.
He told the tribunal he hoped an inheritance from his 100-year-old mother would enable him to buy a caravan.
"The applicant considers Australia his home. Although the applicant's home base is a series of sites on Aboriginal land and a number of informal arrangements (including staying with friends, family or camping) and although he is homeless, this does not mean he has no connection with Australia," the AAT ruled.
What drugs are these numpties smoking??!!:mad: I object to my taxes funding someone's overseas travel. I don't care how fcuking schizophrenic he is. Further evidence that the welfare culture in this country is pretty well out of control. Small wonder boatloads of "refugees" are risking life and limb to get here and get onto Centrelink ASAP.

Fubaar 1st Jan 2013 22:31

Capt Sand Dune, I had a very similar reaction this morning when I heard the interview on AM with the man running the detention centre on Manus Island. The touchy-feelie bullsh1t he was sprouting leaves me even more convinced that the "asylum seekers" under his care see us as fools to be exploited to the fullest extent.p

sisemen 2nd Jan 2013 00:21


Jenny (Useless?) Macklin says she "of course I can live on the dole"
If it wasn't for the gold plated pension then she might well be having to come the election aftermath.

I'm already giving the baseball bat a going over with linseed oil in delicious anticipation :E

Buster Hyman 2nd Jan 2013 01:13


he needed to travel overseas because of his dire poverty
So, are we going to roumd up all the beggars & send them overseas for a better lifestyle? Is this an opportunity for us to swap "refugees" for the homeless?

Croozin 2nd Jan 2013 01:42

http://bl*gs.news.com.au/dailytelegr...few_stupidity/

Delete * and insert 'o'.


WHY did The Star casino spend upwards of $600,000 to fly Leonardo DiCaprio and pals to Sydney for New Year’s Eve?

The only good thing to come out of the exercise in celebrity pandering was that it highlighted the absurdity of Sydney airport’s archaic curfew - but more of that later.
Sydney airport's curfew is a hot potato I don't think either Party/'Pardee' could touch in a constructive way without losing votes on a grand scale.

Pity we couldn't borrow the idea of offshore airports from the Japanese and build the runway(s) in the oggin - like in the middle of Botany Bay? - and use the existing land for a decent sized terminal.

Croozin 2nd Jan 2013 01:42

... and car parking.

Worrals in the wilds 2nd Jan 2013 03:35


"Any ex union official who, having ripped off their union mates for several years have reached a level of dishonesty and corruption that qualifies them to be parachuted into an ALP seat and rise to high office in a Labour government".......? http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/wink2.gif
I suppose if they wrote a book about it they'd be eligible...:E

Pity we couldn't borrow the idea of offshore airports from the Japanese and build the runway(s) in the oggin - like in the middle of Botany Bay? - and use the existing land for a decent sized terminal.
A great plan that will simply descend into the usual 'we no afford to payy' catfight between both levels of government, the airport corporation and the airlines. :zzz:

Clare Prop 2nd Jan 2013 04:59

"Any ex union official who, having ripped off their union mates for several years have reached a level of dishonesty and corruption that qualifies them to be parachuted into an ALP seat and rise to high office in a Labour government".......?

If we substitute "union official" with "state premier" and "union mates" with "state taxpayers" then that could be a sub-catagory of the above....

Croozin 2nd Jan 2013 05:54

Release of the 1984 Cabinet papers has bob'orke suggesting abolition of the States...

1984... + 5 = 198-...

Does that mean we have only five years to wait to see what was going on behind closed doors in Federal Cabinet in "that year we dare not mention here"?

I'm sure there'll be a number here who'll be very interested in learning what went on between bob'orke and his Cabinet colleagues then. Not that I imagine the real decisions in that little matter were ever decided by Cabinet. My guess is that Jabba the Hutt just told bob'orke how it was going to be and bob'orke jumped to comply, so there's probably no record of how those decisions were reached or who - if anyone - objected to what many older Ppruners would think were rather extraordinary Government decisions.

Charlie Foxtrot India 2nd Jan 2013 10:10

We'll have to wait another five years for that. Meanwhile, that year is taboo on this site so let's leave it there until then! Thank you

Fliegenmong 2nd Jan 2013 21:09

So then, as a hard working white Australian (Born & Bred) family man, receiving none of my taxes back by way of any welfare whatsoever, and observing the long line f*#kups by this government............the alternative is a bunch that are going to make it even harder for my Family & I?

'Tis indeed depressing to realise the alternative gummint will make life harder, and likely more expensive...current mob deserve the boot....current opposition after the howard train wreck, haven't been in exile nearly long enough.....:(

Wonder for how many years they'll blame current gummint? Do you think they'll get an ex Treasurer of questionable ability to 'independently audit' :suspect: the books like the QLD government did? :rolleyes:

No question the LNP government here in QLD are a bunch of narcissiscitic hooligan ideologues, what was surprising was just how fast they turned so bad, and after so much 'promise' :rolleyes:

Come and save us 'Man in the Hat' :D

Andu 2nd Jan 2013 21:12

I'm sure everyone will bow to your request, CFI. But it bears saying that "that particular year" shows to anyone with even a passing knowledge of what went on then that deep corruption at the top in the Labor Party (sorry, Pardee) is nothing new.

There's been nothing in the news, but how many boats have arrived since the New Year?

Croozin 2nd Jan 2013 21:30

I don't have a source for this (saw it on another blog this morning and simply cut and pasted), but if it's true, what would be the chances of it ever being brought in at a federal level? (Apologies for the shouting, but that's how it was posted.)


WHAT GREAT NEWS.
QUEENSLAND (AND WE ARE EX QUEENSLANDERS) ARE LOOKING AT SCRAPPING COMPULSORY VOTING.
LET EVERY BLOGGER WHO BELIEVES IN DEMOCRACY GET BEHIND THIS AND NOT JUST AT STATE LEVEL BUT AT FEDERAL LEVEL
THEN TRUE DEMOCRACY AND A THINKING VOTER WILL EMERGE.
CAMPBELL NEWMAN YOU HAVE OUR FULL SUPPORT

Worrals in the wilds 2nd Jan 2013 21:41

It's from the front page of today's Courier Wail. I haven't had a chance to read it yet but apparently the Qld Nats (sorry, LNP, small sense of deja vu :E) have commissioned yet another study into stuff. This one suggests voluntary voting as a great step forward. Personally I'm not a fan because IMO it allows crazy interest groups to get a foothold in the electoral process (and Qld has a lot of crazy interest groups :eek:) but that's just my two cents. I realise there are pros and cons, but what's apparent in the UK and the US is that the THINKING VOTERS don't emerge. They don't bother. It's the contrail advocates and anti vaccine zealots who rock up to vote, while the 'thinking' voters shrug their shoulders and declare that it's all too hard.

Last week's Newman Government study advocated a Stradbroke Island bridge, which is a sure sign of Joh Fever. :hmm: Compulsory Boot Camps for juuvies (even though they don't work), going Nuclear and fighting with the ETU have just been warm-up exercises.

Doubtlessly one member of the Cabinet is now eating for Queensland so he can look like Russ Hinze. :ouch:

CoodaShooda 2nd Jan 2013 21:59

At least you're not being run by a fundamentalist Christian ex-teacher, supported by an asocial quantity surveyor to crunch the dollars, Worrals. :{

Mills is making Abbott look like a raving atheist by comparison.

It's getting so bad up here, I'm actually thinking about taking a job in Canberra. :eek:

Liberals - the hangover you have to have once the (labor) pardee is over. :{

Captain Sand Dune 2nd Jan 2013 23:35


but what's apparent in the UK and the US is that the THINKING VOTERS don't emerge. They don't bother. It's the contrail advocates and anti vaccine zealots who rock up to vote, while the 'thinking' voters shrug their shoulders and declare that it's all too hard.
Y'know I'm not sure that would be the case here. I reckon that "thinking voters" actually think, as opposed to just voting for the party (or is that "pardee") that will hand them money for new TVs and ugg boots and guarantee a few more years sucking at the welfare teat. And they're thinking that this bullsh*t has gotta stop and soon. Furthermore thanks to the vote grabbing speading policies of the ALP there's going to be some hurt involved to stop this country going down the same road as (for example) Greece.
I reckon the thinking voter of Australia (aka the much talked about "silent majority) would make it a point to get out there and vote, and it would be your average deadsh*t that wouldn't be bothered.

Clare Prop 3rd Jan 2013 00:59

WITW, family and friends in the UK at the last election told me that the queues to vote were so long that a lot of people never got the chance, the polling stations closed at a certain time and even if you had been queueing for hours you still didn't get the chance to vote. Other places ran out of ballot papers, the turnout was so much higher than expected.

They had had enough of Blair/Brown and their lies, fabian ideals and social engineering just as we have had a gutful here.

IMO voting should be made easier but not compulsory. Luckily being a pilot I can do a postal vote but the occasions I have actually gone to the polling station have been horrible experiences, with pushy aggressive idiots trying to push "how to vote" cards at you (I was totally disgusted when I saw that at the first Aus election I voted in, and I still can't believe it is actually legal!!) and long queues, nowhere to park, screaming kids etc. There should be a better way in this day and age. An iPhone app, for example :ok:

sisemen 3rd Jan 2013 03:35

I'll put my hand up for compulsory voting any day of the week. I've seen at first hand how voluntary voting allows the vested interests in on the back of apathy. :yuk:

However........I reckon that there should be some sort of test on enrolment and retested every 10 years to ensure that you are in possession of enough brain power to responsibly exercise your right to vote.

Worrals in the wilds 3rd Jan 2013 05:48

Captain, I think that for this election people would be still turning up in droves to vote even if each polling station had a cover charge and you had to battle a pack of starving Alsatians to get in the door, but it's the 'average' elections that bother me. The last Brisbane City Council election had terrible voter turnout numbers, so bad they didn't even publicise them very much :uhoh:. Voting in council elections is still complusory, but even that didn't make a lot of people drag their sorry arses to a booth. No doubt all those people are now complaining about rates and the quality of their garbage collection service. :bored:

This contrasts with the years where there's a high turn out due to a contentious issue or everyone wanting to chuck the Lord Mayor out because they're being a prat, but it's the quiet years where Loopy Minority groups can get a foot in the door. :suspect: It's a question of numbers; are there more thinking voters than fruit loops? Of course there may be more thinkers, but I still see it as a big punt to take when we have such a small population.


Other places ran out of ballot papers, the turnout was so much higher than expected.
Fair point Clare, I didn't realise they'd had such a big turnout.
Having now read the article on the Qld government's election review discussion, the only thing I agreed with was outlawing how to vote cards; they're a massive waste of money, paper, time and voter sanity. :mad: The rest of it seems to be their usual 'Weekend at Bernies remake starring Sir Joh as Bernie' stuff. :rolleyes:

At least you're not being run by a fundamentalist Christian ex-teacher, supported by an asocial quantity surveyor to crunch the dollars, Worrals.
Here's a plan :8. Let's organize a Qld / NT parliamentary conference on the border somewhere nice and remote (let's say Poeppel Corner) and then bugger off and leave them all there :cool:. Maybe they'd develop a Mad Max style society...:}

Andu 3rd Jan 2013 06:16

I start at the bottom, putting the Watermelons in the very last box, then work my way up from there. I still find it hard to believe anyone with an IQ in double digits still votes for them - but incredibly, around 10% of the electorate, what's that? - somewhere between 500,000 and 700,000 voters? - do. Or did.

I heard on Sydney radio this morning calls for an electronic data base to stop double voting. You could be forgiven for thinking the Sydney shock jocks have been reading this thread.

Worrals in the wilds 3rd Jan 2013 06:40


I still find it hard to believe anyone with an IQ in double digits still votes for them - but incredibly, around 10% of the electorate, what's that? - somewhere between 500,000 and 700,000 voters? - do.
TBQH, so do I. However, there's a type of leftie who votes Green in the mistaken belief that they mean what they say. I know two women who vote Green fairly well and neither of them are stupid in the low IQ sense (both successful professionals, albiet in arts industries). However, they're both 'sunshine/lollipop' types who believe the world would be nice if everyone was nice.

They're both genuinely nice themselves and I don't think they see the duality of the Greens' manifesto. They just feel that if everyone paid their dues, grew their own veggies and was kind to animals and each other then there wouldn't be any wars, criminals or bad stuff. To me, they represent the quintessential urban Green voter. They all loved Bob, so whether the party retains support now he's off the scene remains to be seen.

If everyone was as nice as them they'd probably be correct and Socialism would actually work; but as all us hardened cynics know, the first thing that happens under Socialism is that all the sunshine/lollipop types get massacred by the power at any price types :eek:.

P.S. One of them bred a son who dreamed of going into the Army but then ended up working in mining/construction. Karma is karma, baby...:E

1DC 3rd Jan 2013 09:19

My Oz daughter voted green because she said Jools was a crook and Abbott was an idiot and the greens were all that was left. I don't know if she has changed her mind for next time.

Andu 3rd Jan 2013 09:46

There'd be quite a few of us who'd like to know if your daughter admits now to having made, politically speaking at least, the biggest mistake of her life, 1DC. If she feels so strongly about the two major parties, "None of the Above" (an informal vote) would probably be more appropriate.

I suspect there'll be quite a few of those whenever the election comes around this year.

1DC 3rd Jan 2013 10:24

I'll ask her and let you know..........

Clare Prop 3rd Jan 2013 10:53

Ppruners' daughters excepted:


Fliegenmong 3rd Jan 2013 10:59

Why Oh Why does the 'puter [email protected]*k up and delete 1/2 hour worth of typing?

Anyways...........to condense it

Give me a reason to vote for a pardee that wants to screw me down to a bowl of rice a day, as a hardworking , honest, born and bred Australian Family man and tax payer, receiving no benefit from the current bunch of clowns, and also having received no benefit from howards gravy train of middle class welfare, of which my hard earned helped subsidise......

NONE!..NONE!!!.........I beget nothing from the current clowns, and know for a fact, (Even without any policy release), that I'll be worse off under a coalition....Gospel Truths Anyone????.....though to be fair.....no one in the so called 'Main stream Media' has actually pressed abbott about anything......methinks the 'MSM' knows what is good for them :hmm::rolleyes:

mgahan 3rd Jan 2013 11:12

SEVEN VOTES - IN THE WET
 
Rather than dropping the compulsory vote, why not use the 7 vote system proposed in Neville Shute's "In the Wet".

If you have not read the book, give it a look - amazing story written in 1956 predicting the issues with the Royals in the past two decades.

But, back on track, additional votes for travel, education, family etc make sense to me and would get rid of the lowest common denominator results we now see.

MJG

sisemen 3rd Jan 2013 11:50

I see that McTernan has finally got his mitigation strategy for Macklin's gaffe worked out.

Obviously the immediate "car engine noise made it inaudible" was spotted for the pile of steaming bull shit that it was and we're now being asked to believe that "dear old Jenny is actually one of those few in Cabinet pushing for an increase in the dole".

I reckon that the ALP must believe that we all, collectively, came off the last boat (probably an intended pun but I'm getting too cross with this lot to summon up too much humour).

Worrals in the wilds 3rd Jan 2013 11:55

I think it's more that some of their advisors and media dweebs actually did come off the last boat. The initial comment and subsequent follow up have been incredibly clumsy.

Bon Giorno 3rd Jan 2013 12:20


I start at the bottom, putting the Watermelons in the very last box, then work my way up from there. I still find it hard to believe anyone with an IQ in double digits still votes for them - but incredibly, around 10% of the electorate, what's that? - somewhere between 500,000 and 700,000 voters? - do. Or did.
The latest Newspoll speaks volumes about Victorian voters mentality then. Greens are up 3%.


"Newspoll’s November-December poll of state voting intention in Victoria has Labor maintaining its commanding 55-45 lead from September-October, from primary votes of 36% for the Coalition (down one), 38% for Labor (down three) and 16% for the Greens (up three, the best piece of polling news for the party in some time)."
The political activist Greens and Katter parties which will have near 100% turnouts must be chortling with glee at the prospect of the brilliant Can Do Newman plan up in Qld to make voting optional.

With Newman himself about as popular as the Christmas lunch prawn shells this week he's an absolute goner in Ashgrove next time around anyway.

Like Abbott Federally after the final week of parliament he's a spent force.

SOPS 3rd Jan 2013 14:49

There was over 22000 jobs lost in Victoria during 2012, and Labor still has a big leed I don't get it.

cuefaye 3rd Jan 2013 20:24

I had the great good fortune to live and work in Canberra from 96 -00 (no jokes please). I thought then that politics in Oz were very refreshing compared to UK (and still do). I'd also been there for a year in 1982: things had moved on from Bob! I thought Howard was one of the nicest pollies that I'd ever encountered - and I also met many of his colleagues on the 'hill' and opposites alike. A nice man. I didn't know Costello - seemed a little arrogant, but also very competent? Along came Beazley, and from then on it all seems to have gone downhill. And now! How sad: a fuzz-loving lass from Wales, with a mile-wide mouth, a decent brain, and a public-speaking ability; but absolutely no intellect or sense, charm, and an appalling accent. Zitch.

Good Luck.

PS: You lot go to bed early

Fubaar 3rd Jan 2013 21:33


With Newman himself about as popular as the Christmas lunch prawn shells this week he's an absolute goner in Ashgrove next time around anyway.
I'd have to agree with that comment. Newman displayed an incredible lack of political nous in selecting an unsafe seat for his entry to parliament, particularly considering that he knew he would need to enact some very painful policies to put things right after all those years of Labor misrule.

Fubaar 3rd Jan 2013 21:38

Of all the descriptors of Julia Gillard available in the word-rich English language, "lass" comes about as close to the "not suitable" end of that list as you get. Probably one short of "lady".

sisemen 3rd Jan 2013 23:44

In the vast ocean of ALP despair and incompetence there must be a lonely straw. Clutch it Bon Giorno old chap, clutch it!

CoodaShooda 4th Jan 2013 00:12

Silly question of the day.

If we can't trust anything else that labor says, why does the electorate accept what they say about AbbottAbbottAbbott?

I know I've never been a fan (labor followers can refer to my 2007 comments here after his appointment to the opposition front bench, once they've stopped choking on their weeties).

But I've been trying to remember why I'm not a fan and all I can bring to mind is labor/compliant media spin, which doesn't stand up to scrutiny. :confused:

Worrals in the wilds 4th Jan 2013 00:13


There was over 22000 jobs lost in Victoria during 2012, and Labor still has a big leed I don't get it.
By and large Victorians are a bunch of lefties. Always have been, always will be.

NSW and Qld aren't quite so pretty for the ALP/Greens, although they're higher than where they were at the last state elections.
Essential Research: NSW, Victoria and Queensland state polls | The Poll Bludger


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