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Hempy 20th Sep 2015 06:50

Wind power generates 140% of Denmark's electricity demand | Environment | The Guardian

Fubaar 20th Sep 2015 06:53

I think that Denmark is able to send its excess output into the Euro grid, not really a viable option for Australia.

Flying Binghi 20th Sep 2015 07:15

On an unusually windy day...
 
Security of supply...:rolleyes:

"...“It shows that a world powered 100% by renewable energy is no fantasy,” said Oliver Joy,...“Wind energy and renewables can be a solution to decarbonisation – and also security of supply at times of high demand.”..."

Wind power generates 140% of Denmark's electricity demand | Environment | The Guardian


So who do they pay when every european is on wind..:hmm:

"...During howling winter weather two years ago, the thousands of windmills dotting Denmark and its coastline generated so much power that Danes had to pay other countries to take the surplus..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/23/bu...ower.html?_r=0



And guess who has the highest power prices in Europe...

"...German financial daily Handelsblatt writes about the harsh reality of these so-called clean, free-for-the-taking energies ... The relationship is totally clear: The higher the share of wind and solar power in the power generation, the higher the electricity prices for consumers..."

http://notrickszone.com/2015/08/29/g....vZ1p6PkQ.dpbs


What a farce... an expensive Farce... and all to profit the carbon trader bankers..:hmm:






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Wiley 20th Sep 2015 08:43

I went to a lecture some months ago where an engineer explained the pitfalls of renewable energy, particularly the folly of putting the power generated by domestic roof-mounted solar panels back into the grid. (I would assume much the same argument applies to wind-generated power.)

The maintenance of the base load, at quite strictly-defined levels, (which cannot vary by very much, either up or down), is all-important, hence the need for coal/oil/hydro backup for the days when wind (or solar) fails to meet the need. (This occurs, on average, twenty days per month with wind turbines - I can't recall the figures for solar.) I.e., windmills meet base load requirements no more than 10 days a month.

So, on a good (sunny) day, all those solar panels churn out all that power, peaking, of course, during the hottest time of day (mid-afternoon), when the demand for power is quite low, so the electricity providers are forced to reduce the inputs to the base load, frequently even having to dump power that has already been produced by the coal/oil/hydro so the base load does not rise above the allowable maximum. Then, as evening approaches, the solar panels' output fades as the sun sinks, so the providers are forced to jack up the power levels to cover the evening peak when everyone gets home and turns on the stove/TV/lights/aircon STARTING FROM A LOWER LEVEL because of the input from the solar panels.

So they sometimes have to waste power already produced by (usually) fossil fuels, then waste more as they have to crank up to the levels to cover the high evening demands even more than they would have if they hadn't had the solar input.

Clear as mud? This problem will go away (or reduce) once a viable, economical electricity storage system is devised, (i.e. a battery), but that doesn't seem to be anywhere on the horizon yet.

In short, nuclear power is the only viable system currently available, and Australia is far better situated to take it in every way but one - political. The Greenies would just go spare, and to date, we haven't had a government with the political will (or backbone) to sell the message to them that it's nuclear or suffer large and long-lasting power failures, even if we continue to burn fossil fuels at levels FAR above what those same Greenies consider as the maximum acceptable.

If Malcolm Turnbull could put his supposedly superior mind to this issue and actually do something about it, he might just win me over. Not holding my breath, but I'd love him to surprise me.

glad rag 20th Sep 2015 11:06


Originally Posted by Flying Binghi (Post 9122775)
Security of supply...:rolleyes:

"...“It shows that a world powered 100% by renewable energy is no fantasy,” said Oliver Joy,...“Wind energy and renewables can be a solution to decarbonisation – and also security of supply at times of high demand.”..."

Wind power generates 140% of Denmark's electricity demand | Environment | The Guardian


So who do they pay when every european is on wind..:hmm:

"...During howling winter weather two years ago, the thousands of windmills dotting Denmark and its coastline generated so much power that Danes had to pay other countries to take the surplus..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/23/bu...ower.html?_r=0



And guess who has the highest power prices in Europe...

"...German financial daily Handelsblatt writes about the harsh reality of these so-called clean, free-for-the-taking energies ... The relationship is totally clear: The higher the share of wind and solar power in the power generation, the higher the electricity prices for consumers..."

German Handelsblatt: German Households Getting Crushed By Green Energies To The Tune Of 28 Billion Annually!


What a farce... an expensive Farce... and all to profit the carbon trader bankers..:hmm:






.

There's nothing wrong about generating electricity from wind it's a natural [Raging Forties anyone] renewable resource.

What is wrong is the way it's taxed and subsidised....:ugh:

Fubaar 21st Sep 2015 02:49

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian (paywall protected)


A new wave of boats filled with asylum-seekers will test the resolve* of Malcolm Turnbull’s government team. Australia’s intelligence agencies understand the highly developed people-smuggling industry is readying to test the new Prime Minister and his new national securit*y team, epitomised by a completely inexperienced new Defence Minister in Marise Payne…

The people-smugglers have been following* Australia’s political changes closely. They know the new PM has a reputation for coming* from the soft-hearted end of his party and they will quickly be informed that the same is true for the new Defence Minister…
Didn't someone predict this here about a week ago? And as I recall, wasn't he howled down by one of the resident lefties?

Stanwell 21st Sep 2015 03:04

And it seems that Truss continues to hold the Transport portfolio.
I fear for the future of GA in Oz under his diligent (?) ministrations.

I'd hoped Dick might have had a word in Malcolm's 'shell-pink' on that score a while back.... No?

MTOW 21st Sep 2015 03:48

Who got Communications? Someone Mal can trust not to do anything too precipitate to 'his' ABC, I'd be guessing.


And Wyatt Roy an assistant minister (or whatever the title is)? What a piece of work he's turned out to be. The Liberals' boy child version of SHY.

Hempy 21st Sep 2015 05:09

FULL LIST OF THE NEW TURNBULL MINISTRY

Prime Minister: Malcolm Turnbull

Deputy Prime Minister Infrastructure and Regional Development Minister: Warren Truss

Foreign Minister: Julie Bishop

Trade and Investment Minister: Andrew Robb

Attorney General (Leader of the Government in the Senate): George Brandis

Treasurer: Scott Morrison

Assistant Treasurer, Small Business Minister: Kelly O’Dwyer

​Industry, Innovation and Science Minister (Leader of the House): Christopher Pyne

Finance Minister (Deputy Leader of Government in the Senate): Mathias Cormann

​Defence Minister: Marise Payne

​Cabinet Secretary: Arthur Sinodinos

Agriculture and Water Minister: Barnaby Joyce

Indigenous Affairs Minister: Nigel Scullion

Resources, Energy and Northern Australia Minister: Josh Frydenberg

Immigration and Border Protection Minister: Peter Dutton

Environment Minister: Greg Hunt

Health and Sport Minister: Sussan Ley

Communications Minister, Arts Minister and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Digital Government (Manager of Government Business in the Senate): Mitch Fifield

Employment Minister, Minister for Women and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service: Michaelia Cash

Social Services Minister: Christian Porter

Education and Training Minister: Simon Birmingham

Territories, Local Government and Major Projects Minister: Paul Fletcher

International Development and Pacific Minister: Steven Ciobo

Tourism and International Education Minister and Minister Assting the Minister for Trade and Investment: Richard Colbeck

Justice Minister and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Counter Terrorism: Michael Keenan

Special Minister of State, Defence Materiel and Science Minister: Mal Brough

Cities and Built Environment Minister: Jamie Briggs

Rural Health Minister: Fiona Nash

Veterans’ Affairs Minister, Human Services Minister: Stuart Robert

Vocational Education and Skills Minister (Deputy Leader of the House): Luke Hartsuyker

Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister: Alan Tudge and James McGrath

Assistant Minister for Productivity: Peter Hendy

Assistant Minister for Cabinet Secretary: Scott Ryan

Assistant Minister to the Deputy Prime Minister: Michael McCormack

Assistant Minister for Multicultural Affairs: Concetta Fierravanti-Wells

Assistant Minister to the Treasurer: Alex Hawke

Assistant Minister for Agriculture and Water Resources: Anne Ruston

Assistant Minister for Science: Karen Andrews

Assistant Minister for Innovation: Wyatt Roy

Assistant Minister for Health: Ken Wyatt

Assistant Minister for Defence: Darren Chester

parabellum 21st Sep 2015 05:39


"I am sure that I just read Denmark is producing 143 % of its power through renewables."
well, ain't that grand!

143% of the most expensive power that money can buy! how useful is that?!

The capital cost of the windmill plus very high maintenance costs, a poor serviceability record for the windmills, plus they only work for about 30% of the time anyway! What a bargain!

I'm sure the Australian armed forces are thrilled to bits with their new defence minister, just shows the contempt the new lawyer/banker PM holds the military in.

criticalmass 21st Sep 2015 05:50

Opinions please:-

Does this new ministry represent a partial re-arrangement of the deck-chairs on the "TItanic", or is it a cabinet with potential which may actually be realised?

Are the women in it present on merit, or is there a sense of "tokenism" in some of the appointments?

Is the cabinet "leaning to the left or the right" - or is it actually sitting straight on its legs?

How "well-sealed" is this new ministry (i.e. how long before it starts leaking?).

Having despaired of the politicians at every level in this country, I'm interested to see what pundits and those who take a genuine interest in the turd-filled pool that constitutes Australian federal politics really think of the latest ministerial appointments.

Ethel the Aardvark 21st Sep 2015 11:54

Come on Para, you being a keen prepper you must have a few solar panels on your bomb shelter:O
Malcolm on ABC tonight, if he walks the walk like he talks the talk then he probably is the best political option that we have at the moment, even with the horrid Brough, Cash and O'Dwyer's in tow. Can't believe Dutton is still there, didn't he resign by texting?

Hempy 21st Sep 2015 13:46

Opinions? Far Right Wing is yesterday's news. Take it or f*ck of to somewhere else.

I've always been Centralist. Thank god you hard-liners have been shown your true place.

Hardliners vote for the 'minorities' next election. Please. They'll remain a minority.

Thanks Tony, you're ineptitude has re-aligned the electorate. :ok:

SOPS 21st Sep 2015 14:08

Hempy, go suck on a chardy. The polls in the next few months are going to make the left vomit. I was an Abbott man, but the new PM is going to eat Shorten for breakfast.

I must admit, I am worried what will happen when the next boat load of counrty shoppers arrive.

Ethel the Aardvark 21st Sep 2015 14:24

Dont worry soppy, you can share Para's shelter when the next boat load arrive. I thought that last bloke stopped all that assylum seeker stuff, maybe the aussie dollar is so low now the people smugglers wont accept the cash off the Navy anymore!
sad report from US scientists regarding climate change, Our Mal will show his true colours soon me thinks.. ETS mk 2 on its way

MTOW 21st Sep 2015 22:38

Had to chuckle last night when Paul Murray labelled Wyatt Roy as "the work experience kid" when he sledged the supposed "fact" that everyone in the new Cabinet got there through merit.

Re the next boat: my guess would be that there'll be a Western media crew on board with a satellite link to keep the whole world informed of the Royal Australian Navy's (or Border Protection's) "inhumanity" as they carefully arrange photogenic pre-pubescent females or even toddlers in jump suits in the foreground as the boat is turned back. SHY might even be on board.

He's a hint for the Force Commander: make sure all the interception boats are equipped with very powerful satellite transmission blocking kit, or our new humanitarian PM will fold like a pack of cards when that footage hits the world's TV screens.

Meanwhile an out of breath Tony Abbott emerging from the surf goes about as close to calling Scott Morrison an outright liar as it gets. Hadley will be frothing at the mouth over that this morning. An ego as big as his does not like to feel used, and Morrison played him like a well-hooked trout in two interviews, one immediately before the coup and another after, where even the blue rinse set ladies who love 2GB could see he was lying in his teeth.

parabellum 22nd Sep 2015 00:04

Yes Ethel, solar panels on the roof. Last summers electricity bills, covering six months, $75.00 and $7.25! And that is here in Victoria. No preppeing here, Gippsland is unlikely to attract too many illegals, most work available is hard graft on farms, commision housing quite limited.


Given the current poll numbers, (provided the voting method for the senate is sorted), double disolution very soon I would have thought.

Jeps 22nd Sep 2015 05:03

The only way Labor can have a chance at the next election is if they jettison Shorten, which would ordinarily be fine except for how difficult that will now be given the new process that has been introduced. And with it, will come bloodletting and back grounding which will take up a fair amount of time and the medias attention. When you are a union hack solicitor up against someone who still has all the talent and prowess of a great barrister you begin to look very stupid, very quickly even when you should be winning. Lets face it, last week in question time they had all the ammo in the world and all Turnbull did for the entire hour was deflect every question artfully and make the opposition look like dolts. They had their best chance to apply the blowtorch and they stuffed it.

Flying Binghi 22nd Sep 2015 06:05

Dutch News...
 

via Ethel the Aardvark:
Google Denmark renewable energy
Not bad for a days worth of wind!
Oh, Dear... the gift that keeps on giving..:)

"...Former ABN Amro chief executive Rijkman Groenink is among a group of senior banking officials who have been handed back millions of euros by the tax office after investing in sustainable energy...

...The turbine was sold as an investment object to a group of 21 bankers and financial specialists as a way of cutting their income tax bill, the Volkskrant says. The turbine was also partly funded through government subsidies..."


banker boy turnbull's mates profiteering gets help from 'government' subsidies.

...and who funds the government..:hmm:


'Bankers earn back millions in tax by investing in wind power' - DutchNews.nl







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Ethel the Aardvark 22nd Sep 2015 07:39

Watched Bill Shorty on Q & A last night. thought he came across very well
(not one snarl) and unusually answered questions about the TURC.
very professionally dismissed a lady with Abbott wind turbine disease. (poor thing)
wot with Brough making headlines for the wrong reasons maybe it will be closer than I thought!!
don't worry Bingle, you can invest your millions in wind whenever you want:\


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