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Hempy 15th Sep 2015 08:42


Originally Posted by Ethel the Aardvark
Mrs Turnbull looks to be a real asset too. don't think the last one did much but visit an op shop a couple of times!!

That's because good ole Margie Abbott knows that her place is doing the ironing...:ok:

chuboy 15th Sep 2015 08:56

I've got to admire the conviction of the posters here who seemingly would rather have watched the Abbott Coalition get obliterated at the next election than see Malcolm Turnbull as PM. I suppose another term of mixed Greens and Labor government would have given you all a lot more to whinge about! I for one am looking forward to a period of sensible government once we have that caricature TA formally dismissed from the PM office.

Huff all you will about informal voting and sending your preferences to truly RWNJ fringe parties, ultimately this was the Coalition's only shot at credibility next election. I wonder how the Canning by-election will go now? Not nearly as big a swing if any I expect.

criticalmass 15th Sep 2015 09:18

Turnbull's honeymoon is already over. His party expects him to perform, immediately. They will not be patient with him.

He has to implement the published Liberal party policies on which the government was elected, no matter how much he might disavow them personally, and he has to do it quickly. He does not have a mandate to do otherwise. (In fact, he has no mandate at all because he has not presented himself to the electorate and achieved a majority vote for his party.)

If he tries to implement his personal left-wing agenda, his support in the party-room and the Cabinet will evaporate and he will be rolled in turn.

For Malcolm Turnbull, it is now very much a case of "Piss, or get off the pot!"

Flying Binghi 15th Sep 2015 09:28

Yep, there is also the mater of the Goldman Sachs 'confidential' agreement.
How is it an Australian Prime Minister has a confidential anything ? especially with a bank..:hmm:

We need to know more...

"...Malcolm Turnbull looks set to emerge from his long court case over HIH Insurance with his former employer, the Goldman Sachs merchant bank, making a confidential settlement on his behalf.
The NSW Supreme Court yesterday granted the plaintiff and eight parties being sued, including Goldman Sachs and Mr Turnbull, an extension of time until May 7 to finalise the settlement..."


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chuboy 15th Sep 2015 09:30

Interesting perspective criticalmass, perhaps more appropriately suited for posting more than one day after Malcolm is sworn in by the governor-general.

I find your lack of understanding of the Westminster parliamentary system intriguing also.

chuboy 15th Sep 2015 09:41


Originally Posted by Flying Binghi (Post 9117161)
How is it an Australian Prime Minister has a confidential anything

I understand Tony's citizenship status remains confidential also. How very outrageous

Hempy 15th Sep 2015 09:54

Binghi, any chance of posting anything relevant to 2015? Or do you just spend your days searching the internet for anything slightly 'controversial' in the hope of passing it off as 'todays news'?

2009 was a long time ago. Surely you can do better than that?

MTOW 15th Sep 2015 11:01


I've got to admire the conviction of the posters here who seemingly would rather have watched the Abbott Coalition get obliterated at the next election than see Malcolm Turnbull as PM.
chuboy, I think I'm not alone in believing that, with his apparent inability to bring forth his inner mongrel and kick arse and sack people who richly deserved to be sacked (many of whom were instrumental in his sacking), Tony Abbott should have been replaced. My problem is with whom he has been replaced. Damn near anyone would have been preferable to Malcolm Turnbull.

And I believe that that will become very apparent to those who have put him in as leader all too soon.

Ethel the Aardvark 15th Sep 2015 12:19

I am glad that Abbott whilst telling the world that there would be no sniping managed to keep his snipes to a minimum, and only two flags :D

Flying Binghi 15th Sep 2015 12:38

:hmm:


via Hempy:
Binghi, any chance of posting anything relevant to 2015? Or do you just spend your days searching the internet for anything slightly 'controversial' in the hope of passing it off as 'todays news'?
Do tell Hempy, what was the gist of the confidential agreement between the Australian Prime Minister and one of the worlds big banks. ?







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SOPS 15th Sep 2015 12:55

Ok Ethel, you have realised your orgasmic dream. He is gone. So now can you please give it a rest? For all his faults, Tony was a man of high principals and moral values, something that can't be said about a lot of people that pollute the other side of the house.

He was a family man, that as far as I know did not sleep with other people's wifes, or steal Union funds for his own enrichment.

So can you just please give it a rest, you are becoming boring

Stanwell 15th Sep 2015 14:39

Binghi,
Throwing something into the ring and then demanding answers of.. whomever, seems to be your MO.

How about you inform us, for a change?

Stanwell 15th Sep 2015 15:23

SOPS,
Yes, Tony was/is a man of high principles as far as I'd observed.

The fact is, though, that he was just not up to the job as Leader of the LNP parliamentary team - not to mention
the position of Prime Minister of Australia.

Tony was given a fair go, but he eventually became just TOO much of an embarrassment to be tolerated any longer.

Kodachrome 15th Sep 2015 20:29

Well, he was loyal to a fault, but he was also a dreadful liar.

G-CPTN 15th Sep 2015 20:35


he was also a dreadful liar
Does that mean that he was a prolific liar, or that he was an unaccomplished liar?

(I write as a non-Australian - citizen nor resident)

At ease 15th Sep 2015 22:10

Well, compared with former Australian PM, Julia Gillard AKA JuLiar - "There will not be a Carbon Tax under a government I lead", and then shortly after introduces one - Tony Abbott was not in the same league.

dr dre 15th Sep 2015 22:55


Tony Abbott was not in the same league.
Sorry, Abbott making the infamous "There'll be no cuts to the ABC, SBS, healthcare etc..." Speech on the TV news just prior to the election then proceeding to do all those things in his very first budget puts him in exactly the same league. That would make him a profilic liar, but as he couldn't even get his budget passed he also gets the title of unaccomplished liar.

Kodachrome 15th Sep 2015 23:28

Gillard broke one major election promise, and was hounded by conservative pundits for years about it.

Tony was far, far worse. Broken promises include, but not limited to:
No cuts to the ABC, SBS, Health or Education
No changes to the GST
No new taxes (total taxes increased under Abbott)
Reduce the deficit (increases under Abbott, no it's not a Labor legacy, it's increased spending by the Libs)
Stopped the boats (boat arrivals started falling after Rudd announces no Asylum Seekers will be settled in Australia and the Malaysian solution. By the time Abbott takes power arrivals have fallen dramatically, he launches Operation Sovereign Borders which in real terms accomplishes very little except to piss off the Indonesians)

Tony Abbott has been the worst PM in living history. The core of his problems is that he's driven by ideology, not policy. He's also a great attack dog, but that doesn't fly in the top position. I mean, even in his last speech he mentions the bloody boats again and snipes at Labor.

It'll be very interesting to see how Turnbull performs, looks like he'll be sticking with the existing policies to appease the right of the party, I'll be surprised if he becomes the pseudo-labor PM that some expect out of him. It's worth noting that while Turnbull can be a bit of a social progressive, he is very much an economic Liberal.

Before I get accused of being a tree-hugging leftie, I consider myself a centrist and have voted for both major parties in the past.

parabellum 15th Sep 2015 23:53

Abbott did stop the boats, by applying the 'turn-back' policy, prior to that there were still dozens of boats trying to make it to Christmas Island, Western Australia etc. despite anything Rudd may have said.


The first budget wasn't designed to appeal to everyone it was designed to stop arterial bleeding.


The senate proceeded to block any policy that might have shone a good light on the LNP government and therefore on Abbott too, not in the best interests of Australia and the Australian people, just in pursuit of their own political agendas.


Memories are failing far too quickly!

Flying Binghi 16th Sep 2015 00:05


via Stanwell:
Binghi,
Throwing something into the ring and then demanding answers of.. whomever, seems to be your MO.
How about you inform us, for a change?

My MO ?

Stanwell, why the personal attack ? ...was it something in my previous post ?...:)







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