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Hempy 2nd Sep 2015 16:41

RJM,

I admit I'm guilty of "cliche'ing" (I just made that word up!), but please don't tell me it's not even handed.

I'm not a 'left-wing' voter, I voted Howard for 2 of his 3 terms. What I am saying is that rusty right-wing voters are no better than rusty left-wingers. It just seems to me at the moment (and by the colour of the posts here) that the right simply have their own personal interests at mind.

I do ok for myself. I'm not particularly greedy. I've set my kids up to do whatever they want to do through good genes and good parentage. They go to a private school and they have every advantage I can give them.

I don't believe that the trade union system is inherently 'bad', the working man deserves a voice. I do believe that some trade unions take advantage of this belief, and that there are bad eggs amongst the leadership within them. But certainly no more than CEO's and the 'HR office' take advantage of their staff.

I was bought up with a heavily right winged bias. My Dad was a cocky. Over the years I've learned to see that both sides have an argument.

At the moment, here, most people consider anything left of totalitarianism as being 'huggy fluffy'.

You older folks really need to get out a bit tbh..

RJM 2nd Sep 2015 16:52

Yep, there are zealots and crooks on both sides, and crooked is crooked, no matter who you're exploiting. And you can be thoroughly decent, whatever side you support.

The difficulty is putting aside your immediate interests in favour of the common good.

Sounds like you're a decent bloke, Hempy. I'm not that old, by the way.

Hempy 2nd Sep 2015 17:13


Originally Posted by RJM
Sounds like you're a decent bloke, Hempy.

Don't tell anyone, you'll ruin my reputation :ooh:

CoodaShooda 2nd Sep 2015 20:08

Hempy
I hope you're not referring to me as a rusted on right winger.

If you are, you are demonstrating an unfortunate lack of insight.

I'm just just a simple swinging voter who abhors the politics of smear currently in vogue with both the left and the (too many) journalists/commentators who see themselves as activists rather than reporters.

And still, no one wants to discuss Shorten.

We've seen deflection and insult but no comment. Sort of like the response over the years to the question that must not be answered "what has labor done to warrant your support?" :E

RJM 2nd Sep 2015 23:31

I'll discuss Shorten!

It's a concern if he's the best Labor has. His position on Dyson Heydon and his about-face on the China Free Trade Agreement show that he answers not to any constituency but to the likes of the CFMEU.

Pinky the pilot 3rd Sep 2015 02:33

Sops; Has she gone to show solidarity and support for all the 'migrants' who are trying to get to Germany?:hmm:

SOPS 3rd Sep 2015 06:55

I'm too scared to ask her, Pinky.:ok:

Hempy 3rd Sep 2015 07:45

Cooda,

I didn't mention any names, and I certainly wasn't referring to you individually. The 'rusted ons' here know who they are, even if they won't admit it in public.

As to the ALP in general and Shorten in particular, the whole party is an absolute mess and a joke. They've lost the ideology the party was founded on in preference to attempting to be 'populist'. That a few union heavies are pulling the strings is obvious, that's simply (as someone put it) thanks to a paucity of genuine 'leadership'.

But they'll still probably win the next election. Why? Because the leadership in the LNP is worse!!

I spent time in uniform serving my country. I knew good leaders and bad ones. The bad ones never made it to the top though, for good reason. Someone had sense.

A military junta is probably a better option than the clowns running the country at the moment :ugh:

RJM 3rd Sep 2015 07:56

It will be interesting to see which way Senator Penny Wong from South Australia votes on the China FTA. Will she vote inline with local Labor premier Weatherill who is for the FTA, or will she vote with Shorten, who wants to destroy the LNP government at any price? Wong is also Weatherill's ex-girlfriend, though I doubt that will affect the issue.

Maybe Shorten is planning to back the FTA at the last minute, having extracted some minor concession from the LNP so he can present the agreement as a union/ALP victory. After all, when Robb got the preliminary agreement signed, Shorten tried to take credit for that (before his controllers in the CFMEU tapped him on the shoulder and he dropped his support).

Stanwell 3rd Sep 2015 09:03

Abbott was describing the FTA as a 'victory for Australia'.
Oh yeah?
There's no such thing as a 'victory' when you're dealing with the Chinese..
Quite the opposite, usually.

Hempy 3rd Sep 2015 09:55

WikiLeaks reveals Trans Pacific Partnership investment chapter | Crikey

RJM 3rd Sep 2015 09:58

It looks as though Capt Hastie is up agaisnt it in Canning. The ACTU has mobilised a volunteer army to man the phones until the election, calling voters to describe the wrongs of the China FTA, cuts to penalty rates, the banning of the double-dip PPL for employees on public and private parental leave schemes etc.

If Labor wins or even does well, the result is going to be promoted by the unions' alternative government as a clear victory over the hated Abbott's 'unfair, destructive and anti-Australian' policies.

The unions and their clients the ALP are fighting for their future. How is Hastie going to fight the ACTU's millions?

Hempy 3rd Sep 2015 14:13


Originally Posted by RJM
It looks as though Capt Hastie is up agaisnt it in Canning. The ACTU has mobilised a volunteer army to man the phones until the election, calling voters to describe the wrongs of the China FTA, cuts to penalty rates, the banning of the double-dip PPL for employees on public and private parental leave schemes etc.

If Labor wins or even does well, the result is going to be promoted by the unions' alternative government as a clear victory over the hated Abbott's 'unfair, destructive and anti-Australian' policies.

The unions and their clients the ALP are fighting for their future. How is Hastie going to fight the ACTU's millions?

Clearly your 'sources' are more accurate than Julie Bishops...:ok:

Sky News on Tuesday reported Liberal deputy leader Julie Bishop told a cabinet meeting in Canberra Labor wasn't devoting much in the way of resources to the byelection battle.

Labor was instead looking to the 2016 federal election, when a redraw of electoral boundaries will result in parts of Canning being absorbed into a new seat of Burt, she reportedly said.
Canning byelection: Andrew Hastie rattled over 'local' jibes

^ Should read. The best part is

When Mr Abbott finally let Mr Hastie speak

RJM 4th Sep 2015 15:25

We'll find out soon enough with Labor's response to the result, whatever it is. I wouldn't bet on the outcome.

SOPS 4th Sep 2015 16:16

Looking at what is currently going on in Europe, I can only hope that the Libs win the next election. If they don't, we are doomed. And for what it's worth, I know it's thread drift, I think Europe is in serious trouble. Mainly run by left wing, huggy fluffs, they seem to think what is happening is ok.

We will wait and see how this disaster pans out.:confused:

Eddie Dean 4th Sep 2015 23:14

SOPs, the mass migration problem is a world wide one, this includes Australia.
I read Tony Abbott's defence of the Australian policy in the USA.
An internment camp in southern Europe may not be far off.

Clare Prop 5th Sep 2015 07:41

As a voter in Canning I think most people will want a candidate that is most likely to carry on Don's work.

The Labor guy is campaigning on schools and hospitals...doesn't even seem to know the difference between state and federal politics.

Clare Prop 5th Sep 2015 07:47

A UK newspaper had a front page picture of the drowned baby face down, no pixellation etc, IMO very bad taste. Of course this cause howls of outrage until it came to light that the family had been in Turkey for the last three years and weren't actually fleeing anything, but had just had an application to emigrate to Canada turned down so this was Plan B. Father has now returned to Syria.

Lefty friends in Europe are playing right into the people smugglers hands by saying more must be done for these poor people etc. Merkel has put tonnes of sugar on the table.

But the first question that came to me was, what kind of parent puts their kid on a boat without lifejackets?

My prediction is in 10 years there will be great civil unrest all over Europe. The hand wringers will be the first against the wall and I am very glad I don't live there any more

MTOW 5th Sep 2015 08:03

ClareP, I really hope we have ten years to wait before it goes totally pear-shaped. I fear it will be much sooner than that.


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