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Stanwell 28th Aug 2015 16:13

Oh, thank you so much for your wise counsel there, SOPS.

Should I get my tin helmet out, check my ammo and fortify the bunker?
I just checked my flak-jacket.. The moths have eaten holes in it. I'll have to get another one.
Do you expect there to be a rush for those on the disposals stores soon?

Hempy 28th Aug 2015 18:09

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RJM 28th Aug 2015 20:14

Hypocrisy rules in the Labor party...
It does, but it's the result of a preceding condition - the desire for power at any cost, whatever it takes.

The ultimate prize - a seat in Parliament, is so attractive in terms of money and influence that a charge of hypocrisy is a small cross to bear. A few years in federal Parliament or even an equally paid state slot can transform life for you and your family. With the large income, huge benefits and generous pension, you should never have to work again if you can swing a few terms.

Service to the public? Well, it's not the main game for a lot of them.

MTOW 28th Aug 2015 23:28

RJM, I'm no fan of the Labor Pardee, but what you've said about Labor parliamentarians could apply equally to far too many from all sides of politics.

I see that Cloive Palmer's man will get the donkey vote in Canning (#1 spot on the ballot form). They say historically, that's worth 5%. So if Cloive's man doesn't score more than 5%, does that mean he would have got no votes at all?

Flying Binghi 28th Aug 2015 23:41

Seems the unions want visa checks... :hmm:

"Immigration investigators have conducted a series of raids on a multi-national firm working on major Australian mining and infrastructure projects as part of one of the nation’s biggest inquiries into working visa fraud…

Australian Council of Trade Unions president Ged Kearney said the action against MPC highlighted the need for reform of the visa system."

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MTOW 28th Aug 2015 23:53

Gee, who'dathunkit?

WA Canning by-election could be corrupted by unusually high suspect enrolments

WA Canning by-election could be corrupted by unusually high suspect enrolments | Cairns News

Voters in Canning may be dudded by corrupt Electoral Roll

· Abnormally-large increase in new voters outstrips national average

· ‘Phantom’ enrolments could exceed 8,200, enough to swing the election

· AFHE calls on AEC to urgently investigate Electoral Roll

With the announcement today of the candidates for the coming by-election in Canning in WA, serious questions are being asked about whether the AEC is capable of operating a reliable Electoral Roll and whether it is being manipulated for base political purposes.

Lex Stewart, President of the Australians For Honest Elections organisation asks:

”Has the Canning Electoral Roll been ‘padded’ with an extra 8,200 false enrolments?”

The Roll for the Canning byelection contains 112,809 names

Over 112 000 people enrolled to vote in the 2015 Canning by-election - Australian Electoral Commission

The Roll for the 7 September 2013 election contained 101,804 names in Canning

House of Representatives Division First Preferences

“An extra 11,005 is a larger-than-usual increase in the Canning electorate Electoral Roll, a growth rate of 10.8% in merely two years,” said Mr Stewart.

Australia-wide the Electoral Roll was 14.712 million for the 2013 election, up from 13.021 million for the 9 October 2014 election, showing a growth rate of 1.37% for this nine-year period.

“If the Canning Electoral Roll had instead grown by the Australia-wide long-term average of 1.37% per annum then it would have risen by only 2,801,” said Mr Stewart.

“Electoral Rolls can grow due to normal demographic factors, but can also grow due to internet transfers of people pretending to move from other areas, and such false enrolments could lodge absentee or postal votes without even entering Canning. Alternatively, persons living in Canning could, in the absence of the need to produce ID when voting, vote on behalf of other people.”

“This is what seems to have happened in the April 2014 WA Senate election re-run where the anomalously huge increase in the Electoral Roll was again about 8-10,000 and exactly matched the anomalously large increase in absentee and postal votes for the Greens and ALP.”

Based on the voting pattern in Canning in the 2013 election, the ALP needs a swing of only 10,454 votes to win this seat. 8204 is almost 10454. (half of 54,700 – 33,973 = 10,454)

“The Australian National Audit Office in its reports of 2002, 2004 and 2010 criticised the AEC for deficiencies in their running of the Electoral Roll, as described by AFHE media releases of 18th, 20th and 27th July 2014. We believe the AEC has done little to address these concerns.”

“Has the AEC checked whether this anomalously high number of extra enrolments in Canning are genuine, or are they bogus padding?” said Mr Stewart.

“This is an urgent matter because due to the stupidity of Section 361(1) of the Commonwealth Electoral Act, even if it becomes manifest after the election that false enrolments have been made, then the Court of Disputed Returns, is almost unbelievably forbidden by this section of legislation from enquiring into the bodgied Electoral Rolls and phantom false enrolments. Who else is going to enquire into it if the highest court in the land cant do it? (and the AEC never does it!)”
Tony Abbott has 'blown' a number of issues since he became Prime Minister. However, I believe history will show that his biggest mistake by far was not bringing in major electoral reforms immediately after winning government.

I can't rent a **** video without showing photo ID. How in the world am I able to do the most important thing a citizen can do - vote - without doing the same?

Flying Binghi 29th Aug 2015 00:20

via RJM:
...a seat in Parliament, is so attractive in terms of money and influence that a charge of hypocrisy is a small cross to bear...
...and not to mention that Sarah Hanson-Young is very representative of those that vote for her...:hmm:

"...Quantum Market Research’s annual social survey, undertaken to help advertisers understand what pushes consumers’ buttons.

Quantum divided Australians into five groups, from “Ultra Greens” to Un-Greens”, depending on how they’d “embraced the Green culture”.

No surprise, but the Ultra Greens, “the original tree loving hippies and green peace embracers”, turned out to be perfect specimens of our time.

They were not only the most likely to vote Green and join green groups, but also the most likely to own a four-wheel drive and join frequent flyer clubs.

What counts is how you seem, not what you do. Here are your modern read-the-label moralists, keen to give everything to their cause but sweat..."

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Ethel the Aardvark 29th Aug 2015 00:34

Who would of thunked it, captain Hastie is obviously one of those voters mtow has mentioned. He hasn't lived in Canning for longer than a month so is likely ineligible to vote, apparently no one told him, where do they get them from?

Captain Dart 29th Aug 2015 01:02


After Garrett's performance as an MP in an equally dreadful government, he should have stuck to music.

Ethel the Aardvark 29th Aug 2015 01:55

Is that the same Eric Abetz who had to quickly lose his German citizenry to carry on as an Oz Polli.
All as honourabe as each other when you look at it

RJM 29th Aug 2015 05:43

Everyone's at it - the politicians, the media and even us. In Canberra, each side and its supporters spend their time fighting each other to see who gets the Treasury benches, and elsewhere, the rival cheer squads sling insults at each other. Meanwhile the poor suckers paying for the show are lucky to have their needs noticed, let alone addressed.

That's how it feels, anyway. Good policy, where it does exist on either side, gets lost in the partisan scrum of the media and political preferences are governed by sound grabs and slogans. Anything beyond next week or outside Australia hardly matters as both sides concentrate on landing the next punch.

Voters have a choice between a Labor government with an appalling track record and dominated by self-seeking unions and needing the impractical Greens or a Liberal government too focused on brawling with Labor and led by lousy strategists with tin ears.

It looks like a choice between who will damage the country the least.

MTOW 29th Aug 2015 07:43

I'm afraid you are distressingly close to the mark with those last two paragraphs, RJM.

Worrals in the wilds 29th Aug 2015 07:52

RJM, agreed. :sad:
Para, no. Anyone can plan and advertise a protest, but it doesn't mean people will show up. I think a lot of Australians are a bit uncomfortable about the whole Border Farce thing. There are always swings and roundabouts with border policy (ten years ago it was all huggy fluff 'we're administrators' crap, now it's jackboot season as it was thirty years ago :zzz:), but the previous agency officers were not coppers. BF are not coppers either, no matter how much Abbott likes to parade them around in their scary new uniforms. They perform a different law enforcement function and have different powers.

Allowing for media and/or leftie beat up (and there certainly was a bit of that), the operation as reported sounded extremely alarming. Immigration had always done target raids (that's their job), but the reports suggested that they would be stopping people at random (as opposed to with reasonable grounds), which I'm not sure they can actually do.

I based my comments on that, but I'm happy to accept that the operation's purpose was not as reported. Given what you say, they've always done those sort of ops but they've been low key, plain clothed and not trumpeted all over the press. Out of interest, was it leaked or did the government put out pressers about it? If they did...:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Stanwell 29th Aug 2015 08:17


I have a strong feeling that the story originated from a government 'presser' to show that certain beleaguered politicians are 'doing something'.

Our sensationalist media have then put their own spin on it and... Voila!
The paramilitary uniforms didn't help, either.

I do think that the people responsible for disseminating that 'presser' are presently trying to answer some fairly pointed questions.

MTOW 29th Aug 2015 09:04

I've heard from a friend who has a son in (what was) Customs that the melding of the two forces is, shall we say "not without problems", with two very different operating systems and two very different corporate cultures forced to mix and meld. He says he does not expect the amalgamation to be smooth.

At first thought, you'd wonder how anyone could get something as simple as a visa check so incredibly wrong. However, if my friend's son's story is correct, the debacle in Melbourne yesterday might be explained as someone unhappy with the changes attempting (very successfully) to stir the pot at Tony Abbott's expense.

Worrals in the wilds 29th Aug 2015 11:04

He says he does not expect the amalgamation to be smooth.
To plagiarise Tery Pratchett, Customs and Immigration got along like a house on fire. Ever been in a burning house? :E:eek:

Interesting theory; may well have merit. That said, having seen Abbott on tonight's 9 news wrt this issue, he certainly walked straight into it; nor is he walking towards the nearest exit sign quickly and/or quietly. Directly contradicting the BF's chief mouthpiece (who claimed it was all a Big Mistake due to clumsy wording) didn't really help. :suspect:

Stanwell, that was my hunch; someone within the government actually thought this looked like a good idea. Maybe he was led into it, but IMO this has Abbott's grubby little fingerprints all over it.

bosnich71 29th Aug 2015 19:39

Faufacts Media has now issued a statement basically admitting that the column by their "journalist" Peter Hartcher that Abbott had knowledge of the Border force/ AFP operation Was a load of lies.....nothing new there then.
Don't hold your breath waiting for Ethel,Hempy et al to acknowledge the fact though.
Worrals I see that you are still persisting with the "jackboot" rubbish.

Hempy 30th Aug 2015 01:29

Faufacts Media has now issued a statement basically admitting that the column by their "journalist" Peter Hartcher that Abbott had knowledge of the Border force/ AFP operation Was (sic) a load of lies.....nothing new there then.
Don't hold your breath waiting for Ethel,Hempy et al (sic) to acknowledge the fact though.
And why would I refute or acknowledge it bosnish, I don't recall making any statement on the matter one way or another whatsoever? Please remind me with a link...

Or do you just enjoy taking personal potshots? Please do hold your breath.. :yuk:

Ethel the Aardvark 30th Aug 2015 07:09

Hi boz, while you are over in the mother land could you have a quick check and find out if Abbott has actually given up his British citizenship, I personally think he is too much of an Anglophile and has dual passports but hey you never know, thanks in advance!

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