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Flying Binghi 27th Aug 2015 06:48


via chuboy:
Like Abbott is the first PM in history to have to deal with a non compliant senate...

You would think the prime minister of a developed country would have the ability to negotiate.
chuboy, negotiation is an honest minded adult concept that can only work between adults. ...so between the mindless union thugs and the green garden fairies who do you think the Prime Minister should "negotiate" with ? :hmm:

MTOW 27th Aug 2015 10:49

Whilst I don't disagree with what you are implying with your comment, sprintman, I think there'll be major tears from one side or the other on Monday depending upon whether Justice Heydon chooses to recluse himself or to soldier on with the TURC.

If he recluses himself, it will be met with howls of despair from those on the Right. If he soldiers on, it will be tears of outrage - and not a little fear - from many on the Left. Labor and the union bosses understand that they're fighting for their very survival, some of them quite possibly their freedom, hence their 'all or nothing' tactics, for they have everything to lose, and, it would seem to me, know the RC was about to uncover information they simply cannot allow to be made public.

Whichever way it goes, I think it will be a watershed in Australian politics, right up there with 11th November 1975.

Hempy 27th Aug 2015 13:34

The electorate will decide. It's not looking good for Abbott. And nor should it, he's a disaster. He'll fall on his one term sword.

The 'minority' that camps here will call 'foul', as minorities always do. But the simple fact is that, in Australia, the people decide. And thank God for it.

It's called Democracy..

(the fact that 'the people' decide is galling to you, I know. That says more about you than them tbh..we're all wrong, and you are right, no?)

parabellum 27th Aug 2015 13:54

And when the Australian people decide on same sex relationships it will go about 70% against it being called marriage and 30% for, that frightens the ALP a lot, hence all their bluster about a decision, in parliament, now.
Let the people of Australia decide what they want within their midst, that they have to explain to their children.

SOPS 27th Aug 2015 13:59

You know what? I'm actually hoping for a Lib loss in the Canning election. Then we might have a hope of getting Scott Morrison as PM.

Failing this, and labor win the next election. So be it. The boats will start to arrive by the hundreds, the debt will go out of control, the unions will try, and probably succeed to destroy the country, and as Australia sinks into the swamp, maybe, just maybe, voters will wake up to the fact that the left is not the answer.

And then labor and their watermelon mates nay be confined to history for many, many years.

So yes, we may have to take, short term pain, for long term gain.

bosnich71 27th Aug 2015 19:52

Reports are in that SHY has racked up a cool $million plus gallivanting around the world....any comments?

RJM 27th Aug 2015 20:42

Yes. At least she hasn't been here.

The following factors contribute to SHY holding down her lucrative and comfortable occupation as a Greens Senator. She exploits them all:

- a senator doesn't have to appeal to a specific electorate, but win a quota of votes across a state
- ALP preferences
- the impractical ideals and naïveté of Greens voters
- her ability to generate publicity
- her gender
- her relative youth

Of little importance to her parliamentary career are the following:
- her character
- the value for money of her performance to Australia

If she retires at the next election, she will live out her days on a generous six figure pension with the ability to continue earning in addition.

That's not a bad outcome for a graduate with a low level arts degree who was working as a bank teller prior to her elevation to the Australian Senate.

My main issue with SHY is not with her tertiary qualification or her employment background, but with her actual abilities and what qualities she brings to the Australian parliament. I've seen no evidence in either case that they are anything but negligible.

CoodaShooda 27th Aug 2015 21:48

If it helps, RJM, consider that if she leaves politics in the near future, she will spend the greater part of her life suffering from Relevance Deprivation Syndrome.

Jeps 28th Aug 2015 00:02

To defend SHY for a moment (sweet jesus). Isn't the reality of Socialism (I assume her chosen theory of government) that the government spends other peoples money until it runs out?

To get a little Orwellian, She is essentially a member of the Inner Party and we are merely proles.

Ovation 28th Aug 2015 02:45


Then your Children are most fortunate, Hempy.

Please note that I did not say that all of the Rudd follies were useless wastes of taxpayers money.
Fit and healthy well-educated kids with a bleak future, mostly because Rudd/Swan wasted so many opportunities to navigate successfully through the GFC.

Oh well, at least they'll vote for the ALP until the time they realise themselves how much of Australia's wealth was squandered by those peanuts.

Fonz121 28th Aug 2015 03:55

Haha, man, you guys are a crackup. When are you going to stop crying about the last Government? I know it must be embarrassing to have to admit that you voted for this train wreck, but surely it's time to move on.

In other news;

Herr Abbott must be getting desperate. He's dispatched the gestapo to track down all the undesirables in Melbourne this weekend.

"Border Force to check people's visas on Melbourne's streets this weekend"

Border Force to check people's visas on Melbourne's streets this weekend - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...8c&oe=568271DE

SOPS 28th Aug 2015 04:04

Sounds like s good idea to me.

Fonz121 28th Aug 2015 04:11


Sounds like s good idea to me.
It was all the rage in the 30's as well.

At ease 28th Aug 2015 04:54

Labor now admits turning back the boats is plausible.

If they had not opened the borders to so many from 2007-13 there would have been less population pressure on our larger cities.

Therefore, it would not have been necessary to take the action as noted today.

100% Labor's fault.

Please don't blame anyone else.

RJM 28th Aug 2015 05:09

It's pretty hard to judge the proposed police action in Melbourne without knowing what information the police have.

That doesn't seem to bother the posters on the Guardian's web site who are hysterical about (Abbott's) fascism, (Abbott's) police state etc. The ABC's 24 Hour News stated that there were 'thousands' of demonstrators at Flinders St Station, then showed video of clearly a few hundred people at most. That was followed by a 2 minute harangue from CFMEU boss Michael O'Connor attacking Abbott over the China free trade agreement - no right of reply to its supporters, who include Bob Hawke.

RJM 28th Aug 2015 05:16

Back to dear little SHY for a moment - she has spent $970,000 on personal travel in the last 7 years. I refer to my earlier value for money comments.

megan 28th Aug 2015 05:24

I thought Martin Ferguson had some interesting commentary on 4 Corners

Victoria: um, there's always been a very strong union involvement. And I must say, I think back. In the history of the Labor Party we always allowed, ah, the unions to put a few people in our state upper houses.

There was always a retirement, ah, pasture for those who had done a good job. Or some of them worked on the basis: if you can't put them in the Industrial Commission, you put the duds in the Senate or the, ah, Upper Houses.

It's gone from that now to a stranglehold also in the Lower House of the state parliaments; in the House of Representatives.

If there's a determination by the Shadow Ministry to actually embrace change then Bill as the leader of the Shadow Ministry can do it. But at the moment, I don't think that's possible because too many of that Shadow Ministry and the Caucus are almost as if they're prisoners of the union movement.

It's the union movement now who funds individual candidates. It's the union movement who has such a big say on the pre-selection of not just the senators, where they always had a big say; it's almost as if they sit down now and divide up the cake: you get that seat, we get that seat, left and right together. And then they, er, dole out the prizes to their faithful.

There's no independence, to some extent, amongst too many Caucus members at the moment. They wait for the phone call from the trade union heavy to tell them what to do.

You know, I just don't see the royal commission as a political plaything. I actually think it's potentially, um, going to be very important in reforming the trade union movement and the Labor Party and I will not damn it.


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