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MTOW 22nd Aug 2015 06:55

Hemps, 'squeaky', hinge' and 'oil' are three words that come to mind.

How many in Australia follow the same gender sexual partner preference? To watch and listen to the Australian MSM, you'd be be forgiven for thinking it was the vast majority, who were somehow 'persecuted' by... by whom? for their 'it's normal' preference.

At ease 22nd Aug 2015 06:56


What percentage of the population do you consider 'huggy fluffs, aka inner City, latte sippers'?

Considering all the things they should 'answer for', they seem to wield an inordinate amount of power.

I thought the LNP were in control of the country!

How does this happen?
Considering the "branch stacking" and fraudulent voting practices that the ALP is renowned for their percentage representation is much greater than what it actually should be.

Stanwell 22nd Aug 2015 10:15

Aw, thanks for that, At ease - now I know. 'TEN.. SHUN!

Worrals in the wilds 22nd Aug 2015 12:04


After the first time, they should have been sent straight to Manus,
Or to Goulburn after a fair, public trial. Rule of law and all that? Boring but effective, and what the mad mob in Syria are fighting against.

fltlt 22nd Aug 2015 13:04


Originally Posted by Worrals in the wilds (Post 9090815)
Or to Goulburn after a fair, public trial. Rule of law and all that? Boring but effective, and what the mad mob in Syria are fighting against.

However the rule of law only applies to those that abide by it.

There used to be different levels of rule of law, depending on how thick the criminal was being dealt with at the time.
If the career criminal(s) well known to all and sundry, sound familiar, rose above their station in life ie: B&E to GBH, then an impromptu ride in the middle of the night to explain to the misguided souls ensued.
A couple of days R&R, these tutorials could be quite bruising to the ego, to recuperate and let their absence be noted around the neighborhood, then unceremoniously dumped back off in the middle of the night in plain view of their friends and associates who had been given the time and place.
Both sides understood the rules, the public were no wiser. Was it perfect, no, but it kept the local folks relatively safe, provided an up and comers, transfers and management list of the local players, which was quite useful.

Then neighborhood bobby was replaced by roving bobby in car,
Cheaper, cover more territory quicker.
That in my humble opinion is when we lost the plot.
Gone was the personal connection with pretty much all the folks in the neighborhood, the friendly chit chats, cups of tea with the nosey Nora's.
We think big brother is watching us in this day and age, he has nothing on those ladies.
Folk used to trust the police, not because of what they were but because of who they were. Kids were introduced to them by their parents, grew up knowing that if you talked to them they were just normal folks and if you were ever in trouble they would help.
Not all were good, but between the neighborhoods and the police force there was a level of trust, bad eggs were reassigned.
But times move on, budget bottom lines rule, we lose sight of the real cost/benefit assessment.

SOPS 22nd Aug 2015 13:07

Ok Worrals, point taken. You are correct. But they should not be allowed back into the community.

As for the power of the Inner City Late sippers, read page 26 of the Australian today. The article about the Empire of Offence us very true. And as far as I can see, those that are constantly offended are doing so while ordering another coffee.

And I add, while they were waiting for trial they should have been locked up.

Hempy 22nd Aug 2015 13:10


However the rule of law only applies to those that abide by it.
What? So someone who doesn't 'abide' by the law, say a speeding driver, shouldn't be subject to the rule of law? Shot on the spot? Sent to prison without trial?

Wtf are you on about?

SOPS 22nd Aug 2015 13:14

Hempy, you are getting silly. You know what the poster means. I don't think we are talking about speeding here.

More like people trying to go to Syria, plotting to kill innocent people on trains. Even you, must get the drift.

Hempy 22nd Aug 2015 13:24

All I am saying is that we can either stick by the Westminster system, that has proven itself over centuries, or we sink to their level by being 'selective'. Everyone deserves their day in court. If the laws need changing, so be it, but we are a democracy, no? The statement "However the rule of law only applies to those that abide by it" flies directly in the face of our democratic 'freedom'.

SOPS 22nd Aug 2015 15:23

Ok agreed. The law needs to be changed, through Parliment.

It should be....if you seek to kill us, you will be locked up or sent to an offshore island .....

How's that?

Saltie 22nd Aug 2015 20:52

I think a better way of putting the argument is to say that the rule of law can only apply if the majority choose to follow those rules. Once a significant number refuse to follow those rules, the law breaks down. In some sections (or should that be 'one section?) of society, with reports of no-go areas and almost total alienation from mainstream society, we're getting awfully close to that situation.

RJM 22nd Aug 2015 21:21

Precisely, saltie. Our society relies heavily on an internal consensus for the effectiveness of its institutions and controls. As a result, our system is quite robust against threats from without, but lacking a STASI-like internal force, our society does not cope so well with threats from within.

Much better to promote respect for institutions like the police - via means like bobbies on beats, as you suggest - than to set up an internal spy network.

chuboy 23rd Aug 2015 02:23


Originally Posted by MTOW (Post 9089558)
One comment in your post brought me up short. Your comment about the Greens energy policy and attitude to development where you say
Has it? What were they espousing in the 80s, mandatory loin cloths and everyone living strictly in caves and absolutely no camp fires?

Something like that? I feel like once Bob Brown and to a lesser extent Milne moved on, that was something of a turning point for the Greens. As a medical doctor, Di Natale has more credibility in my view than your common/garden career politician. And their economics team contains a Wall St stockbroker and an IR lawyer with a PhD.

If you ask me, they have seen the unions/Labor left rift, starting with the Rudd knifing, as an opportunity to sweep up disenfranchised Labor supporters and they are attempting to morph their image into something relatively mainstream to capitalise on that. And I would say Labor is painfully aware of this also.

Ethel the Aardvark 23rd Aug 2015 04:39

Nice choice of lib candidate in Canning, only been campaigning a day and he has to defend himself regarding his leadership in the taliban hand removal debacle.
Was he a captains pick by anychance?

Ovation 23rd Aug 2015 06:25


Nice choice of lib candidate in Canning, only been campaigning a day and he has to defend himself regarding his leadership in the taliban hand removal debacle.
Was he a captains pick by anychance?

Scraping the bottom of the barrel there Ethel. Your post illustrates the desperation of the ALP and it's union masters to score points no matter how disconnected the allegations are. The man about whom your repeating the smear has been fighting for your freedom to make and/or broadcast guttersnipe comments - you should have more respect for somebody putting his life on the line for Australia.



Australian soldiers are obliged where possible to identify the bodies of suspected insurgents they kill. The special operations group - made up of the SAS and 2nd Commando Regiment - has access to a high-level, US-operated biometric database that includes photos, fingerprints and retinal scans of many Taliban commanders and soldiers. The investigation appears to be focusing on the claim that the soldiers cut off the hand of the Taliban commander to identify him by his fingerprints, rather than take the whole body back to their base at Tarin Kowt, about 100 kilometres to the west

SOPS 23rd Aug 2015 06:41

Ethel's post shows how desperate the ALP are to promote all things Liberal as bad, bad, bad.

I find it shocking that that a man that has been fighting for his country Is being treated by the left in this way.

megan 23rd Aug 2015 06:46

Ethel, do you live your life in the gutter? He was not there in person at the time, orbiting overhead in a helicopter in fact, and it was he who reported the incident for investigation.

Ethel the Aardvark 23rd Aug 2015 07:11

Just pointing out that if you potentially have a 10% swing against your party, having a candidate that has to defend himself on such subjects may not be the best option, maybe someone who has lived there or even born in WA might be advantageous?
You can take a deep breath and clean up your froth now!

Lookleft 23rd Aug 2015 07:30


maybe someone who has lived there or even born in WA might be advantageous
If the candidate spent some time in SF I imagine he did live in WA for a time. I doubt the voting public in Canning are going to look at his service record as any sort of negative.

Hempy 23rd Aug 2015 08:12


Originally Posted by SOPS
Ethel's post shows how desperate the ALP are to promote all things Liberal as bad, bad, bad.

Whilst I'm not defending Ethel, people in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones....


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