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Takan Inchovit 24th Jul 2015 08:48

Looking like the ALPBC is pining for Jules and Dudd. :rolleyes: But I guess thats contemporary.

Hempy 24th Jul 2015 10:45

The other side of the story. Standing by for the hate..

You've been misled on boat people: Julian Burnside | smh.com.au

prospector 24th Jul 2015 10:53

or hide in Indonesia for years on end waiting for another country to offer you protection?
What is the problem with waiting (Living) in Indonesia? Welfare not so good?

TWT 24th Jul 2015 10:59

There are genuine cases of people fleeing for their lives,then there are the economic migrants that are 'country shopping',many of whom fly by commercial airline to Jakarta then pay their fare on a boat.

Why do they travel so far to Australia ?Not exactly the first place enroute.

It's because of our welfare system,just as the UK is 'the place to be' for migrants entering Europe.

Worrals in the wilds 24th Jul 2015 11:10

And nor are the countries enroute too pleased to see them either. AFAIK no one in the region has a labour shortage at the moment, so boatloads of spare foreign people are no more welcome in Malaysia or Indonesia than they are here.

I'd guess that there's a fair bit of 'push them down the line and let the Aussies deal with it', even if those governments don't come out and say it.

david1300 24th Jul 2015 12:01

Originally Posted by Hempy (Post 9056864)
The other side of the story. Standing by for the hate..

You've been misled on boat people: Julian Burnside | smh.com.au

Hempy - 18 July 2013. Surely you could come up with some news that's a little more contemporary? :p

MTOW 24th Jul 2015 12:13

many of whom fly by commercial airline to Jakarta
I've carried many as far as Jakarta myself, and on occasion, when some refused to pay the first of many bribes they would have to pay in Indonesia, the "cash visa fee" at Jakarta Immigration, I've had to carry them back to Singapore, on one occasion, having to kick full fare paying passengers off (because the flight was full).

On that occasion, seven males, all of military age, all of whom looked like they were military, six of whom deferred to their leader as if he was a senior officer. None of them had any checked in baggage, only one overnight bag between the seven of them - (not one carry on bag each - but one bag between the seven of them). (They were going to Indonesia "on business".)

The leader was close to tears when I told him they would have to re-board, insisting they would all be executed when forced to return to (the country they supposedly came from changed three times in as many minutes).

I told him we would only be taking them as far as Singapore.

My guess would be that the seven of them would have been on the same flight out of Singapore to Jakarta the very next evening, wiser enough by then to pay up when those "fees" are demanded by any Indonesian official - and that all seven have been living happily in Lakemba on the Australian taxpayer's ticker ever since AND have been joined by their close and extended families years ago.

Worrals in the wilds 24th Jul 2015 12:27

None of them had any checked in baggage, only one overnight bag between the seven of them - (not one carry on bag each - but one bag between the seven of them). (They were going to Indonesia "on business".)
Maybe they are whooping it up down under, but to me that has 'Search me, baby' written all over it.:E 'Seven guys, one pair of socks. Buck's week, yeah?' Seriously, let's chat about Reasons For Travel and why the stuff isn't enough:bored:

If there's a story about catching a taxi to Alice Springs to see a crocodile then that's just icing on the 'thanks for coming, better luck next time, meanwhile there's departures' cake.
Of course it depends on where they landed (if they landed) and who they got. It would be interesting to know where they ended up. :8

parabellum 24th Jul 2015 13:59

The other side of the story. Standing by for the hate..

You've been misled on boat people: Julian Burnside | smh.com.au
No Mr Burnside, it is you who has been misled.

But I doubt you would want to listen to someone who, inadvertently, was involved in these economic migrants, (NOT asylum seekers), would you, or Hempy? your minds are already made up.

SOPS 24th Jul 2015 14:30

I suggest Mr Burnside, Two Dads and Hempy take them all in. They can all live at their houses and they can support the lot of them.

megan 25th Jul 2015 02:21

SOPS, a pro forma you can edit for Burnside et al ;)

National Defense Headquarters
M Gen George R. Pearkes Bldg., 15 NT
101 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa , ON K1A 0K2

Dear Concerned Citizen,

Thank you for your recent letter expressing your profound concern of treatment of the Taliban and Al Qaeda terrorists captured by Canadian Forces who were subsequently transferred to the Afghanistan Government and are currently being held by Afghan officials in Afghanistan National Correctional System facilities.

Our administration takes these matters seriously and your opinions were heard loud and clear here in Ottawa. You will be pleased to learn, thanks to the concerns of citizens like yourself; we are creating a new department here at the Department of National Defense, to be called 'Liberals Accept Responsibility for Killers' program, or L.A.R.K. for short.

In accordance with the guidelines of this new program, we have decided to divert one terrorist and place him in your personal care. Your personal detainee has been selected and is scheduled for transportation under heavily armed guard to your residence in Toronto next Monday.

Ali Mohammed Ahmed bin Mahmud (you can just call him Ahmed) is to be cared for pursuant to the standards you personally demanded in your letter of complaint!

It will likely be necessary for you to hire some assistant caretakers. We will conduct weekly inspections to ensure that your standards of care for Ahmed are commensurate with those you so strongly recommend in your letter.
Although Ahmed is a sociopath and extremely violent, we hope that your sensitivity to what you described as his 'attitudinal problem' will help him overcome these character flaws. Perhaps you are correct in describing these problems as mere cultural differences.

We understand that you plan to offer counseling and home schooling.' Your adopted terrorist is extremely proficient in hand-to-hand combat and can extinguish human life with such simple items as a pencil or nail clippers.
We advise that you do not ask him to demonstrate these skills at your next yoga group. Please advise any Jewish friends, neighbors or relatives as your house guest might get agitated or even violent, but we are sure you can reason with him. He is also expert at making a wide variety of explosive devices from common household products, so you may wish to keep those items locked up, unless (in your opinion) this might offend him.
Ahmed will not wish to interact with you or your daughters (except sexually) since he views females as a sub human form of property thereby having no rights, including refusal of his sexual demands.
This is a particularly sensitive subject for him and he has been known to show violent tendencies around women who fail to comply with the new dress code that he will "recommend" as more appropriate attire. I'm sure you will come to enjoy the anonymity offered by the burka over time. Just remember that it is all part of 'respecting his culture and religious beliefs' as described in your letter.

Thanks again for your concern. We truly appreciate it when folks like you keep us informed of the proper way to do our job and care for our fellow man. You take good care of Ahmed and remember we'll be watching.

Good luck and God bless you.
Gordon O'Connor
Minister of National Defense

Hempy 25th Jul 2015 03:31

snopes.com: Taliban Detainees and LARK Program

Ethel the Aardvark 25th Jul 2015 04:39

I am quite happy to house asylum seekers at my place, if the government pays me the same as what Cambodia received then it's a cool 15 million per group of four, early retirement all round me thinks!

Those frenchies are drastically decreasing the number of nuclear power stations in favour of renewables. Who would of thought it. Bloody lefties.

Saltie 25th Jul 2015 11:55

Day 2 and Shitten gets rolled on his turn back the boats option. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-25/alp-conference-votes-down-ban-on-asylum-seeker-boat-turn-backs/6647944

Not a good look for a man who hopes to be still leader of the ALP next Friday. The big question is: who will the Faceless Men select to replace him?

parabellum 25th Jul 2015 12:08

TV news here says Shorton got the vote home by a very narrow majority?:confused:

TWT 25th Jul 2015 12:33


Labor leader Bill Shorten wins vote on turning back asylum seeker boats | afr.com

Worrals in the wilds 25th Jul 2015 13:05

Shorten won. The motion voted down was a Left motion to add a prohibition on turn backs to the Labor Policy. The double negatives around the whole thing have been :confused: and difficult to follow.

After calls for a count it went to a show of hands but not a division, although with considerable dissent from both delegates and observers. My guess on the vote was somewhere between half and two thirds majority:8, though I'm sure the media will have more accurate numbers.

Late yesterday The Age predicted this, citing that the CFMEU delegates (among others) would support Shorten, giving him the necessary numbers. It smelled like an orchestrated leak :suspect: and proved to be accurate. Without a division it's impossible to be sure Who Made Who, but the show of hands was in his favour.

This arvo there was good (if stage managed :}) debate on the issue from both sides of Labor, presumably after both sides knew where the numbers fell. It was clear before the motions were formally moved which way the vote would go, so the debate was more for the benefit of members (and voters) than a serious ploy to delegates.

For all that, if the Libs were hoping for a bloodbath then they'll be disappointed. There was no bloodbath, at least not in public. Buns/ squashy fruit stayed in bags and it was a rational, mannered debate that covered both sides and engaged the observers. Behind the scenes it may have been a different story, but that's politics. For once in a while, Labor behaved itself. :}

Takan Inchovit 25th Jul 2015 21:37

For once in a while, Labour behaved itself.
I notice their display of tolerance and understanding towards those of differing views amongst themselves. :p ... Not unlike how they treat real people in the electorate.

Worrals in the wilds 26th Jul 2015 00:04

Meaning the protestors? They broke the rules (no banners, signs or placards) and they got kicked out. Hardly unreasonable...

SOPS 26th Jul 2015 01:08

Anthony Albanese was just on the news saying he could not turn boats back. His idea is to increase the amount of ' refugees' we allow in, this he said would allow all those that arrive on boats to be accommodated, and this was being reported on the ABC.

Looks like Bill's policy is falling apart already, and should we get a labor government :ugh: again, the borders will be open and the floods of illegals will start agian.


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