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I16 19th Jul 2015 11:09

I am sure that BB would and does love Paris - hope that she has time to have a look at what went on a few years before she was born.


July 14th - The storming of the Bastille

Pinky the pilot 19th Jul 2015 12:09

Just reading the last few posts gave me a flashback to my post of a few pages back.....:E

And I16`s Post above merely reinforced it.


It is a bit strange really as I`m not what I would class as a vengeful type, but every now and then when I read or hear of the excesses of the Political class when it comes to Taxpayers money I have a very brief but extremely vivid vision of the following scenes.

They mainly consist of burning torches, pitchforks, barricades, horse drawn conveyances, lamp posts and lengths of rope!
Just had the vision again!:ooh::E

parabellum 19th Jul 2015 12:30

Have to agree with all above, BB must go, let us hope it is quick and relatively silent! Way I read the report on the $88K is that the job interview was a side trip and she did have other legitimate business, could be wrong!


(Bishop didn't enter parliament until 1987, prior to that she started as an articled clerk, then solicitor and eventually barrister, not sure if that counts as real work?) ;)

Saltie 19th Jul 2015 14:12

I watched Joe a Hockey trying to defend BB on television tonight. It was almost as painful for him as it was for me watching him. The Libs are on a hiding to nowhere defending her, and I think most of them recognise that. But I don't think that will stop them. They seem to have this political death wish. Every time they get Labor on the ropes, they pull some hari kiri stunt like this and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

BB is so deeply entrenched in the entitlement culture, she probably believes these perks are her right. She'll cling on for grim death - and cause irreparable damage to the Liberal government.

Saltie 19th Jul 2015 14:20

There is an up side to the current BB controversy. The media are going to be looking far more closely at SHY's claims for her junket to the Mediterranean.

megan 19th Jul 2015 16:28

They're all into it. Wasn't paying all that much attention at the time, but when the chopper stuff blew up comparison was made to some trip Julia did in the 737 to Queensland to attend a wedding or some such, with a 5 minute trip to a school to justify the trip. Pox on all their houses.

CoodaShooda 19th Jul 2015 22:55

Have to give the points to Labor for launching a successful distraction to take the heat out of Shorten and the unions. (Note also the article in the Australian today where former ACTU heavyweights are calling for labor to distance itself from the unions.)

Was Bishop aware of the costs she was racking up? Probably not, as those arrangements are left to functionaries.

(We recently had a local Minister attend the UN with the bill coming to $60,000 for two people. The Federal MP attending the same conference had a $12,000 cost. Turned out the arrangements for our Minister were made by the UN to UN standards.))

Is she rorting (or taking advantage of) the system? Quite probably, as they all seem to.

Is she out of touch with public opinion? Yep

Should she go? Why not?

Will the tit for tat that will now follow over individual MP/Senators' spending habits lead to meaningful reform of entitlements? We can only hope.

Should this intense focus on entitlements which are comparatively minor in nature be at the expense of discussion of major corruption and economic reform? Personally, I'd prefer it to be otherwise.

MTOW 20th Jul 2015 00:13

I'm really looking forward to SHY answering questions about her (make that OUR) outlays during her current sea voyage. And even more, her explaining how all those expenditures were "within the guidelines".

Hempy 20th Jul 2015 00:52

Bronwyn Bishop has agreed to take the bus to the next Lib fundraiser..

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...pskp7z1noa.jpg

prospector 20th Jul 2015 01:21

Very good, hopefully released at destination from a great height.

chuboy 20th Jul 2015 05:09

AM - Reform is needed on MP entitlements - Di Natale 20/07/2015

Now the question is, how many here agree with the Greens on this one? :E

SOPS 20th Jul 2015 05:20

That's an interesting article. I wonder how he feels about SHY's trip?

chuboy 20th Jul 2015 05:48

I could find this about it, SOPS. Or are you referring to a different trip?


Yesterday, [SHY] was on board the Migrant Offshore Aid Station (MOAS) vessel, owned by an American millionaire, when 414 adults and children were rescued on the Mediterranean Sea between Libya and Italy.

The MOAS has been accused of acting as a taxi service ferrying asylum seekers from sinking boats to Italy.

Critics claim the boat, which uses drones to find boats in trouble, makes it more attractive for people smugglers to earn more than $400,000 because it provides a *safety net on the Mediterranean.

“Amazing to experience the rescue of 414 men, women & children out here at sea,’’ Ms Hanson-Young tweeted along with a string of photos of asylum seekers taken on board the MOAS vessel.

The Advertiser can reveal Ms Hanson-Young’s liberating experience was made possible thanks to Australian taxpayers. The outspoken Green emptied what remained of her now grandfathered overseas study travel allowance, believed to be about $3000, to assist with flights.

Her office last night confirmed taxpayer funding had paid for an economy class fare home.


A spokeswoman said the remainder of the European trip was personally funded.

Then-prime minister Julia Gillard phased out the perk which MPs had previously used to have “study tours” to places like Las Vegas.
No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au

$3k for economy airfares. Possibly still too much compared to what is commercially available, sadly it still pales in comparison Bronwyn's helicopter taxi rides, let alone what she (sorry, we) paid for her European escapade.

FYI, Richard di Natale's overseas trip was entirely self-funded.

Some food for thought. I have been led to believe by the enthusiastic contributors to this thread that it is the Greens who traditionally promote leeching off the public purse. World's gone mad I suppose?

Worrals in the wilds 20th Jul 2015 09:47


Note also the article in the Australian today where former ACTU heavyweights are calling for labor to distance itself from the unions.
Which heavyweights, out of interest? I didn't get today's Oz.
Some former heavyweights have been off the Labor Christmas Card list for quite some time. :E

I don't see 800 grand as minor, particularly from an MP whose government has continually abused and vilified public servants for their apparent sense of entitlement, including those public servants within the border agencies who actually do the counter-terrorism and border protection work that said government has rampantly milked for every political point they can scrounge.

The way it's been explained to me by someone who understands this stuff :8 (I don't) is that the problem is that she used the chopper to attenda party political event, not a government event. If it had been a government event then so be it (though still a bad look), but as a party event she shoudn't even have claimed a Com-car, let alone a chopper. Apparently MPs can only use their government entitlements for government business, not party stuff.

Arguing that she discussed parliamentary procedures so it was therefore government business would be like me charging all my holidays to my employer because they involved transport :uhoh:. I know what my employer would say if I tried it, but it's not suitable for publication. :}

CoodaShooda 20th Jul 2015 11:53

Kelty, Crean, Ferguson, George and a couple of others of similar stature, Worrals.

Just part of the "How we deal with the TURC fallout" I think.

I think your $800,000 for Bronny includes legitimate operating costs for the Speaker' Office, including staff wages?

Agree that party political stuff should not be subsidised by the taxpayer, but those casting the stones do not appear to be without sin. :E

Also wondering why labor waited 8 months to bring it on.

It still smacks of hypocrisy writ large while winning maximum points for diversionary tactics.

Also seems to me that charging attendees a fee to hear her talk about parliamentary business could be construed as using your official position for financial gain. I think there's some laws about that too.

Meanwhile, back in the real Territory, our fourth female CLP parliamentarian in three years has resigned from the party and gone independent. She also happens to be the Speaker.
The CLP is now in minority government but two of the five independents have said they will not support the vote of no confidence necessary for an early election.

parabellum 20th Jul 2015 12:15


but two of the five independents have said they will not support the vote of no confidence necessary for an early election.
In case they lose their seats, perhaps? :)


Sprintman - Can you give any credible source for that rumour please? Sounds a lot like more ALP muck raking.

Worrals in the wilds 20th Jul 2015 13:06

Cheers CoodaShooda. :8 No doubt they've all hatched a concrete plan to fund the ALP using bake sales, sausage sizzles and memberships, which will make the unions completely redundant. Can't wait to hear how it will work. :E:} Nasty ol' unions, they can take their money elsewhere! [said no Labor government ever]:cool::}

And yes the 800 grand would include legit claims. However, it still doesn't justify the party chopper, nor the complete denial that followed. IMO the denial and lack of apology has been far more harmful than the actual event.

It still smacks of hypocrisy writ large while winning maximum points for diversionary tactics.
Politics be politics; given the opportunity the Libs would have done exactly the same thing.

Meanwhile, back in the real Territory, our fourth female CLP parliamentarian in three years has resigned from the party and gone independent.
Are the Libs/CLP asking themselves if there's a problem, or not? Bear in mind that the Queensland LNP never saw any issues; they were awesome (you only had to ask them), right up until the night they lost government. :ooh: Now they're in opposition, asking themselves why. Sounds like your guys/gals need to start asking questions before the electorate answers those questions for them.

Saltie 20th Jul 2015 13:17

Labor's Bob Ellis reported to have only days to live. Cancer apparently.

Hempy 20th Jul 2015 13:50


Originally Posted by Saltie
Labor's Bob Ellis reported to have only days to live. Cancer apparently.

I can hear the LNP cheering from here. Not exactly known for their 'humanitarian' side, I'm sure the hopes are simply for an LNP win in the by-election..


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