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dr dre 23rd Jun 2015 21:44


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 9021497)
I think that maybe, just maybe the ALPBC went too far on last nights Q and A.

I think they just might find themselves in a little bit of do-do over this.

Watch this space.

Hold on a second, the same LNP supporters who have been criticising the "ALPBC" for every Q and A episode being biased "in favour of Labour/Greens" are also at the same time tuning into the ABC's "the Killing Season" in droves to see how the previous Labor government tore itself apart and was a complete train wreck??

As well, didn't Q&A have Fred Nile on its program last week, who said a lot of things "lefty Labor/Green" supporters would find absolutely, disgustingly abborhent and offensive. But I never heard them saying the program should be axed.

Additionally, having Zaky Maliah the program gave the Liberal minister the opportunity to make that great quote about being kicked out of the country, didn't it? If you would've watched the program you might have though that the Liberal minister came out on top in that debate?

At the end of the day I support and watch the ABC because primarily there're isn't any other decent, comprehensive news and current affairs shows on any of the commercial networks, unless you count the garbage that Channel 7 and 9 serve up at 6pm as "news". The ABC may not be perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than the competition.
And a final point? Don't we remember the case of Charlie Hebdo? Offensive speech is still free speech and it should be defended? At least the ABC gave a forum to this fool and to other fools like Nile so the public at large can see how stupid they are?

PinkusDickus 23rd Jun 2015 22:57


At least the ABC gave a forum to this fool and to other fools like Nile so the public at large can see how stupid they are?
There is no question the ABC is biased and has a left wing agenda. I'm as stupid as either of these two, but would the ABC give me air time to remind Australians that Gillard is an adultress, Swan is a d!ckhead or Shorten has sold out the working class?

I rest my case.

dr dre 23rd Jun 2015 23:16

OK pinkus:

Here's Wayne Swan looking like a d!ckhead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhumnZuFnHs

And here's Bill Shorten's Union woes being aired to the public:
Royal Commission hears questions over payments to a union when Bill Shorten was boss - 18/06/2015

And what Gillard did in her private life is no business of the general public, but here's her ex-boyfriend's legal troubles: Julia Gillard's former boyfriend Bruce Wilson tells royal commission his alleged slush fund sent false invoices - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

All bought to you by the "biased, left wing agenda" filled ALPBC.

MTOW 23rd Jun 2015 23:39

A question: the Liberal spokesman who shot Zakky Mallah down so convincingly is a Parliamentary Secretary, yet everyone is referring to him now as a Minister. Is a Parliamentary Secretary a Minister? (I thought it was a sort of intern job for promising back benchers to see if they could cut the mustard for a cabinet job, but am happy to be corrected.)

Secondly, the ABC this morning reported that thousands of Greeks are flocking to Australia to escape the economic disaster their country has become. (I was tempted to write "..to escape the economic disaster they've made of their country...", but I thought that might upset some here.)

Many of these people were born in Australia but returned to Greece as small children or are born in Greece but are the children of people who were born here but returned to Greece because they preferred Greece to Australia. (Before the Middle Easterners took over as the preferred target of those outraged by welfare fraudsters, the Greeks were pretty close to the top of that list with stories in the past of large numbers of Greek-Australians who returned to the home village in Greece where they could live very well on their Australia pensions, but I'm not sure if we can include them in this argument.)

So my question is: how many of these Greeks with distant or only minimal links to today's Australia will be able to find work in Australia? (I understand from the ABC that most are going to Melbourne, where many have family connections.) Therefore, how many will go on to benefits (as many here say the vast majority of asylum seekers from Afghanistan, Africa and the Middle East do) and how many will remain on benefits long term?

And how many of those eligible to vote (or become eligible to vote) will vote for the Party here whose policies most closely resemble the policies of the political parties 'back home' that have run Greece into the ground economically?

I fear I know the answer to that last question and strongly suspect that with the boat people stream more or less now blocked, the Labor Pardee have found a replacement stream of surefire Labar voters.

rh200 23rd Jun 2015 23:46


Secondly, the ABC this morning reported that thousands of Greeks are flocking to Australia
As long as they don't come by boat they should be fine:p. Besides a lot of aussies don't mind a bit of Greek:E

dr dre 23rd Jun 2015 23:50


I fear I know the answer to that last question and strongly suspect that with the boat people stream more or less now blocked, the Labor Pardee have found a replacement stream of surefire Labar voters.
Horrible spelling aside (was that sarcastic?), please don't tell me that we, on a forum for supposed professionals, are now going to devolve into racist fear-mongering about immigrants that should belong on a white nationalist forum? That the "wogs" are flooding the country like in the 50's and taking our jobs, and voting for the leftie commies, blah, blah, blah!?
I for one welcome these hard working, family oriented people, and people from every culture (and yes that includes muslims). They make Australia the vibrant, successful culture it is today.

The only greeks I don't want in this country are members of Golden Dawn, given the level of intelligence in your post you would probably support their views.

MTOW 24th Jun 2015 00:02

Yes, dr dre, the misspellings were deliberate. If you can put aside the mock outrage for one moment, try to look beyond the kneejerk "raaaascist" **** and see what I'm trying to say. It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with attitudes.

This writer says it better than I can.

Is Anyone Honestly Surprised That Greeks Don't Pay Their Debts? - Breitbart

Meanwhile, Tara Nettleton (Sharrouf's wife) is begging Tony Abbott to allow her and her children to return to Australia - and Labor's Richard Marles "has sympathy" for her plight.

dr dre 24th Jun 2015 00:15

No, sorry MTOW, that is a prime example of fearmongering against a different culture. You attack them as having different political beliefs from you, and that is a reason why they shouldn't be allowed into the country. What do you propose, an open question (will you vote for the coalition?) on immigration forms from now on?

You could say the Greek (Mediterranean) culture lends itself towards spending more time with family, and valuing the importance of leisure time and relationships.
Rather than the UK/USA/ and now Australian primary goal of money and image over everything else, work longer, spend less time with family and friends (social media doesn't count), eat on the go , live on the go, everything else be damned.
Maybe we could deal with a slight injection of "greek" culture into Australia, huh?

PS: That site is also a right wing US news site. The right wingers have done such a great job with the US economy and society, and it is absolutely the model we should implement, isn't it? (and for your info that is sarcasm)

SOPS 24th Jun 2015 00:25

Is dr dre Ethyls husband.?

Hard working families? You mean they work hard to suck the most out of the welfare system. And then they get so ' disconnected' from Australian society they feel the need to go to Syria, or even better stay here and plan to kill us.

dr dre 24th Jun 2015 00:38


Hard working families? You mean they work hard to suck the most out of the welfare system. And then they get so ' disconnected' from Australian society they feel the need to go to Syria, or even better stay here and plan to kill us.
As a child of immigrants who came to this country from the "enemy" countries in the second world war, who came to this country virtually as refugees with nothing but the clothes on their backs, who were no doubt subject to similar ignorant, offensive, vicious comments dished out straight to their faces by "real aussies", and who had to prove themselves by working hard (no welfare) and raising successful families, I do feel the exact same cra!p that is being dished out against muslims today comes from a similar vein.

Let's get this straight: A small, very, very small group of muslims in Australia are involved with terrorism. The vast majority are in no way involved with criminal activities or violence.
It's like saying the vast majority of anglo-australians are peaceful and law abiding, but there were a small minority of violent idiots who went on a rampage in Cronulla in 2005......

SOPS 24th Jun 2015 00:55

Khaled Sharrouf's mother-in-law begs Tony Abbott to bring terrorist's wife and children home to Australia - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

The mother runs off to Syria, to be with her husband while he beheads people, she marries off her 14 year old, and then says, ' oh sorry, I wasn't such a good idea, can I come back to Australia and visit Centrelink, please, please.?'

Give me a break. Ask ISIS about their generous welfare programme, I'm sure they have one, especially for widowed 14 year olds.

parabellum 24th Jun 2015 01:05


The right wingers have done such a great job with the US economy and society, and it is absolutely the model we should implement, isn't it? (and for your info that is sarcasm)
The US economy and society has been in the hands of the Democrats for the last 7/8 years.

Doubtless the returnee Greeks will vote Labour but they will probably settle in Melbourne, (second largest Greek enclave, after Athens), which is safe Labour/Green anyway, maybe not so bad after all?

Just waiting for dr dre to tell us we live in a multi-cultural society! That may have been the case twenty five years ago but, as Germany, Denmark, Sweden and Holland have already discovered and declared, we now don't, we live in a multi-racial society.

alisoncc 24th Jun 2015 01:16

The thin end of the wedge.
 
I find it somewhat ironic that a few days ago we celebrated the 800th anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta, yet today we have a government seeking to overturn the most basic of concepts that Parliament legislates and the Judiciary determines guilt.

Irrespective of whatever crime a person is alledged to have committted since when do Pollies get to determine that persons guilt? And to heap further scorn on those most basic of rights, they are talking about making laws retrospective.

These elected idiots need to give thought as to how any future government may use these precedences. Once this legislation is enacted it's available for any future Ministers to use as they see fit. It's so incredibly f*cking dangerous.

SOPS 24th Jun 2015 01:33

The moron in the chocolate shop was pretty fcuking dangerous as well. So was the idiot who let his son hold up severed heads.

When will you huggy fluffs realise, war has been declared on us, we are at war, and desperate times call for desperate measures.

dat581 24th Jun 2015 01:46

I think a few of the huggy fluffs got an insight into the true nature of the Islamic enemy in this country they so desperately try to make excuses for on Q & A this Monday night. Their cozy little assumption that the hateful attitude of a lot of muslims in this country is due to main stream Australia rejecting them has been proven false. They hate us because we are westerners and not Islamic, end of story.


As for the real refugees that came from Germany or other Axis countries after the Second World War and copped a fair bit of stick from the locals I can imagine what they may have thought: Hmmm we have just spent six years trying to kill the locals relatives from Britain so we can understand why they don't like us very much. After a few years these people made a success of themselves and spread out into the general Australian population and are indistinguishable from the rest of us. The more recent arrivals are another matter. They have turned up (many without being invited) jumped on welfare and made no attempt to become part of this country. They also have the gaul to think they can try to force their barbaric way of life on the rest of us.


When was the last time a German tried to blow up and Australian? 1945. When was the last time a muslim tried to kill Australians? 2014.

chuboy 24th Jun 2015 01:54

Sounds like reds under the bed all over again to be honest.

SOPS 24th Jun 2015 02:27

No, I don't recall in history of any Russian communist actually killing anyone on Australian soil. I can't remember any 'red' leaving Australia to go to another country to behaded people.

I don't remember any communists saying ' we have to kill people by suicide bomb, because we are disconnected from society.'

No...it's not 'reds under the bed' at all.

RJM 24th Jun 2015 05:37


I find it somewhat ironic that a few days ago we celebrated the 800th anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta, yet today we have a government seeking to overturn the most basic of concepts that Parliament legislates and the Judiciary determines guilt.
Alisoncc - There was no danger of the legislature usurping the judiciary because there was to be a judicial appeal built in. I say was, because I believe that the government intends to resolve the issue by making it law that citizenship is forfeited by certain actions. That takes ministerial discretion out of it. There would still be a right of appeal.

MTOW 24th Jun 2015 06:24


These elected idiots need to give thought as to how any future government may use these precedences.
Allisoncc, the same thought has occurred to me. How many here (this is an airline forum, after all) recall the Pilots Dispute of 1989? Bob Hawke, ("Australia's greatest Prime Minister" - let's not go there), in an attempt to stop "non-cooperative" Australian pilots from getting work overseas, had some put on the international terrorist list, which those pilots discovered when they applied for work with some European airlines (Swissair for one).

I can't see the retrospectivity idea getting past the High Court. Although I'd love to see the look on David ***ing Hicks' face if it did.

parabellum 24th Jun 2015 06:42


These elected idiots need to give thought as to how any future government may use these precedences. Once this legislation is enacted it's available for any future Ministers to use as they see fit. It's so incredibly f*cking dangerous.
Allison, if you look in today's The Australian you will see an article by Janet Albrechtson in which it becomes very clear that Abbott and his ministers were given duff gen by Bret Walker SC. The modifications to section 35 of the Citizenship Act that are going through parliament now are the result of Turnbull, Bishop, Brandis and Joyce stepping in and keeping the new legislation in keeping with the constitution.


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