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Ken Borough 30th Apr 2015 08:20

And today, the Daily [email protected] has excelled itself by publishing photos of the execution site. How anyone can subscribe to this vile 'newspaper' is beyond my comprehension but I guess a fair majority of the bogans and other great unwashed in suburbia will lap it up. The Indonesians are bad enough when it comes to the inappropriate stakes but for an Australian publication, which should know better, to trump them is simply vile. Murdoch's Mob will take the moral high ground and suggest that they published the photos to discourage would-be drug-runners but nothing will sway me from feeling absolute disgust. :mad::mad::mad:

Worrals in the wilds 30th Apr 2015 08:53

Ken, I agree. Totally unneccesary and completely ghoulish.

It looks like the MSM have managed to annoy pretty much everyone, from the pro-death penalty brigade, through the middle and out the other side to the anti-death penalty lobby. That said, for the second time in a month I found myself agreeing with Andrew Bolt, which is very concerning :}.

Interesting comparison Hempy, thanks.

We can all think what we like about those that were executed. However, I think we can find somewhere in our hearts for the families of the condemned. To hear the shots that would ultimately kill their children is a pain they will carry for the rest of their days.
100% agreed. They committed no crime. Every family suffers when a member is convicted of a crime and sent to prison (unfortuanately I know that from experience, even though he thoroughly deserved his sentence). Every family blames themselves and wonders whether they could have done more to prevent the person turning to crime. However, this would be so much worse that I can't even imagine how they must all be feeling.

Fubaar 1st May 2015 01:04

Reports on other sites that the Australian Catholic University in Canberra will establish two scholarships (worth $240,000.00 each) in honour of (and named after) the two executed drug runners... (wait for it)... to be awarded to two Indonesian(!) students every year.

This has to be a pisstake. Surely?

alisoncc 1st May 2015 01:17

Whilst not wholly Aussie politics, SE Qld is expecting a severe weather event in the next few hours, which it is anticipated will move down the coast to the Hunter. After the previous "weather events" of the last few weeks on the East Coast - Brisbane, Sydney and in between, none of which I have any recollection of occurring before in my 40 years here, at what point will Tony A admit that perhaps there is some science in Climate Change.

Dark Knight 1st May 2015 02:10

Why should Tony A (whoever he or she may be) have to admit to Climate Change/Global Warming, call it what you will.

Climate Change has been occuring since time immemorial with the actual question being is whether HBs (those dreaded human beings) have contributed to it, by how much or to what degree.

The answer is yes, we probably have though the overall affect in the total scheme of things is it is probably relatively insignificant with no one disagreeing we need to look after our Blue Planet i.e. Home.

Scientific discussion, research is clearly divided upon the subject lacking a total consensus.

What is not disputed is the climate change/global warming industry has a very strong vested interest promoting this gigantic scam reaping billions of dollars/euros from the gullible enriching the Burgermeisters of Europe. the Bankers and the Traders. A studied reading of Copenhagen (you have read it in depth one presumes?) reveals the full extent of this scam under the guise of saving the planet.

ps>> having lived in Brisbane for many years these type of weather events occur very regularly and I certainly recall more than one where the area from North of Brisbane to Coffs Harbout and beyond was virtually totally under flood waters. Murwullinbah, Lismore, Grafton and all surrounding areas totally flooded. Your claim these type of events are unusual is seriously challenged and I strongly suggest will not stand a serious scrutiny or research of data. (freely available on BOM)

rh200 1st May 2015 03:06


Brisbane, Sydney and in between, none of which I have any recollection of occurring before in my 40 years here, at what point will Tony A admit that perhaps there is some science in Climate Change.
I think Tony does accept climate change, just don't know if or how much he accepts the man induced bit.:p.

As for your forty years, well when you have been alive 4000 or so, and can log every day and year of such, then you can talk about unusual. There are cycle, long cycles, short cycles, and harmonic cycles.

We have the dynamic range for the climate record, but we don't have the temporal resolution. As such we can't say for certain small short term cycles are unusual.

Personally I think we are screwing with the planet though:p

chuboy 1st May 2015 03:20


Originally Posted by Fubaar (Post 8961518)
Reports on other sites that the Australian Catholic University in Canberra will establish two scholarships (worth $240,000.00 each) in honour of (and named after) the two executed drug runners... (wait for it)... to be awarded to two Indonesian(!) students every year.

This has to be a pisstake. Surely?

Not a pisstake - a scholarship equal to the value of tuition in the recipient's course.

The scholarships will be awarded to academically qualified applicants upon the submission of an essay on the theme of ‘the sanctity of human life’.

In a small but deeply symbolic way, the writing by Indonesian students on the sanctity of life would be an ongoing contribution toward the eventual abolition of the death penalty in Indonesia. - See more at: Chan and Sukumaran commemorated - ACU (Australian Catholic University) - ACU (Australian Catholic University)

MTOW 1st May 2015 03:22

alisoncc, just outside your 40 year window, but Google the 1971 and 1973 floods that devastated SE Qld and Northern NSW. I was closely involved in the rescue efforts during both floods, which were every bit as extreme as what we're seeing today.

MTOW 1st May 2015 03:26


In a small but deeply symbolic way, the writing by Indonesian students on the sanctity of life would be an ongoing contribution toward the eventual abolition of the death penalty in Indonesia.
chuboy, when I saw Fubaar's post, I thought to myself that we wouldn't have to wait too long for a reply exactly along the lines you came out would appear on these pages.

Having said that - you can't be serious.

chuboy 1st May 2015 03:59


Originally Posted by MTOW (Post 8961559)
chuboy, when I saw Fubaar's post, I thought to myself that we wouldn't have to wait too long for a reply exactly along the lines you came out would appear on these pages.

Having said that - you can't be serious.

It's not my opinion to be fair - that was copied and pasted from the ACU press release.

I can kinda, sorta see the point of making Indonesians write an essay about the sanctity of life in order to earn the scholarship - but only when I squint really hard :}

chuboy 1st May 2015 04:01


Originally Posted by MTOW (Post 8961558)
alisoncc, just outside your 40 year window, but Google the 1971 and 1973 floods that devastated SE Qld and Northern NSW. I was closely involved in the rescue efforts during both floods, which were every bit as extreme as what we're seeing today.

Those floods and the 2011 flood happened in the middle of the wet season. What is unusual about today's weather is that it's happening well into what is typically a quite dry autumn.

Dark Knight 1st May 2015 05:04

Not correct at all; research the records and history will show this type of system or flood rains throughout April/May are not unusual. Have been in Yamba/Grafton area when these type of rains occurred with resultant floods.

All to do with the annual movement of the high pressure systems, associated see temperatures which bring the Easterly/South Esterly Trade Winds and asociated systems.

alisoncc 1st May 2015 05:05

Most are familar with the acronym NIMBY, suspect we need to introduce a newer version NIMLT - Not In My Life Time. As in WTF I will be long gone so why should I care.

bosnich71 1st May 2015 06:16

Alison, shouldn't that be Nimlt ?


Just a thought on 'global warming/climate change/ whatever....
Given that, according to the academics, scientists etc. global warming is a proven fact isn't it time for the funding that is being used to trying to convince the idiot sceptics,( their words not mine),to be diverted away from the academics, scientists etc. and wouldn't it be more wisely spent on "saving the planet ? Surely those who believe that we are 'doomed' would willingly give up their funding for such a result .... or am I being naïve ?


P.s. with regard to seasonal weather changes as the present calendar was put up by some Roman bloke a few centuries back isn't quite possible that things such as seasonal floods or whatever will change their calendar timetable ? The old English saying of my long ago childhood used to talk of "March winds and April showers" ...... all cow dung nowadays.If anything those 2 months have jumped a month and it's more like "April winds and May showers".

alisoncc 1st May 2015 07:27


The old English saying of my long ago childhood used to talk of "March winds and April showers" ...... all cow dung nowadays.If anything those 2 months have jumped a month and it's more like "April winds and May showers".
Suspect that used to refer to up there, rather than down here.

Worrals in the wilds 1st May 2015 09:44

Having had the same conversation with the parents tonight, while I don't recall heavy rain this late in the year, they do. Apparently in the 1960s SEQ had some very wet, cold Mays :8. Given that the area was only occupied by record-keeping people in the 1820s (and for some time after that the records weren't exactly scientific), I think it's a bit hard to come to any conclusions about what constitutes 'normal' weather.

rh200 1st May 2015 10:06

Most reputable scientists won't use the words "Proven fact" in relation to statistical derivations.

MTOW 5th May 2015 10:50

Alan Jones on Sky tonight nearly frothing at the mouth - and his target, surprising to some, I'm sure, was Scott Morrison.

Morrison held his position quite well, but I have to say, I agree with Jones in this case. I cannot see why the taxpayer should be paying child care to wealthy families, and in particular, to families where the wife doesn't work (as happens now).

Morrison says that child care isn't welfare, but a subsidy to get women back into the workforce.

chuboy 5th May 2015 10:53

Not even the most one-eyed Coalition supporter could claim the Liberal Party are fiscally responsible while this absolute debacle proceeds - even at its current snails' pace.

If Labor were delivering a Rolls-Royce solution, then the Coalition are delivering us a partially refurbished ex-taxi, with only a 25% discount off the ticket price of a fully-optioned Roller at that! (I personally prefer to think of Labor's solution as a brand new prime mover to the Coalition's ex-taxi. A prime mover costs about as much as a Rolls-Royce but is a better analog for infrastructure because it greatly contributes to productivity.)

Keeping the lid on NBN discontent | Business Spectator
  • Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull has been working assiduously to keep a lid on the simmering disquiet about the National Broadband Network (NBN).
  • The government’s pre-election NBN related commitments have fallen by the wayside and Turnbull is yet to make any attempt to introduce legislation to repair what he described in 2011 as “a very complex Gordian knot of [Telstra] contracts and legislation that is going to be very hard to unpick."
  • The government’s attempts to silence the Senate Select Committee on the National Broadband Network have been unsuccessful and recent committee sittings have clearly demonstrated why this committee is doing vital work. On April 18 The Australian reported that Telstra corporate affairs group executive Tony Warren told the committee “we don’t believe the [NSW FTTN] trial represents real-world experience, it was operating over spare copper pairs” and that the trial was “not a proper commercial service” with only a “small number of people involved”.
  • During 2013-2014, Turnbull’s hand-picked team of former colleagues and NBN sceptics completed six reviews and audits and delivered eight reports containing fundamental flaws. Turnbull’s failure to stick to his pre-election commitment to get the independent government body Infrastructure Australia (IA) to complete the NBN CBA set alarm bells ringing.
  • The most significant blooper found in the reviews and audits was the Cost-Benefit Analysis (CBA) use of flawed figures predicting future broadband demand.
  • According to Turnbull, “one of the consequences of the NBN is going to be to demonstrate to consumers that iron-clad guarantees about performance cannot be made on ANY access technology, given the way factors such as CVC pricing and backhaul contention choices play into the end user experience. That may burst the bubble of those who claim FTTP solves such problems, but it is reality.” It is unclear why Turnbull made this point because it is wrong and it is important that the telecommunications industry steps back from supporting such a wild unjustified claim. Performance guarantees are provided by telcos to customers through service level agreements every day and if you ask any telco they’re much happier offering service level agreements when the access technology is fibre.
  • “There are real economic costs to not rolling out high-speed broadband as soon as possible to commercial and industrial precincts [and] high speed broadband is, and will increasingly become, essential to Victoria's and Australia's economic prospects."

Couldn't have put it better myself.


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