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410 18th Mar 2015 22:00

Pyne seems to be setting everything in place for a DD tabling bills he knows won't be passed. Can't help but think that if they go ahead with that, it will end up biting the Libs in the proverbial bum big time. A DD allows a half quota for election to the Senate, which would mean almost certainly even more Jacquie Lambies and Ricky Milnes occupying an even bigger cross bench.

Nothing to do with the man's abilities, but are there others out there who find Christopher Pyne as annoying as I do whenever he speaks on camera? His parliamentary shout isn't quite as bad, but it grates with me as well. I can't help but feel he loses the Liberals votes every time they put him in front of a microphone, not by what he says, but by the way he says it.

chuboy 18th Mar 2015 22:36


Originally Posted by david1300 (Post 8906047)
3 - When ever, yes, EVER, has property in Australia reduced to half it's value? Even in the recent GFC and the previous 'recession we had to have' this didn't happen. If you or anyone else wants to live your life by these ridiculous scare-story assumptions don't expect the rest of us to follow or agree.

It's happened already in the "resources towns". Check out Port Hedland. Perfect example of supply and demand in action. Some people were lucky and sold cheap houses at the top at 1000% profit. Others who bought at the top, well they now have a lot of negative equity indeed.

The point is, if you take away the demand and keep supply constant, the price has to go down. If demand is reduced because of widespread recession and mortgage foreclosures, that probably means your supply is going to increase too as other people try to liquidate their investment properties. Demand down + supply up - sure, there's no way the prices can drop, keep on drinking that "calming tea"-flavoured Kool Aid :ok:


MTOW ..." the government has paid you in pension".... I think the taxpayer pays pensions and in most cases the pensioner has contributed to that pension via taxation.
Paying taxes is not like putting money in a savings account, didn't they teach you that at school? :suspect:

I detect a hint of that naughty word in your attitude... entitlement. Pensioners contribute money to their own pension using superannuation. Anything else is a generous gift from today's taxpayers congratulating you for having lived long enough to eventually be a burden on our health system until your time is up.

Ovation 19th Mar 2015 00:22


Nothing to do with the man's abilities, but are there others out there who find Christopher Pyne as annoying as I do whenever he speaks on camera? His parliamentary shout isn't quite as bad, but it grates with me as well.
No, I don't have a problem at all. He is committed to his cause, but shallow thinking huggy-fluffy leftist ABC and SMH journalists are hell bent on depicting him as something else.

david1300 19th Mar 2015 00:53


Originally Posted by chuboy (Post 8907319)
It's happened already in the "resources towns". Check out Port Hedland. Perfect example of supply and demand in action. Some people were lucky and sold cheap houses at the top at 1000% profit. Others who bought at the top, well they now have a lot of negative equity indeed.

The point is, if you take away the demand and keep supply constant, the price has to go down. If demand is reduced because of widespread recession and mortgage foreclosures, that probably means your supply is going to increase too as other people try to liquidate their investment properties. Demand down + supply up - sure, there's no way the prices can drop, keep on drinking that "calming tea"-flavoured Kool Aid :ok:...

As suggested, I did check Port Hedland, and this is what I found:

Speaking to Smart Property Investment, Mr Crawford said the media and some commentators had a tendency to “sensationalise” their claims about mining towns. He said that even though Port Hedland has declined, the picture isn’t nearly as bleak as some would have you believe.

Citing data from the Real Estate Institute of Western Australia (REIWA) for Port Hedland and South Hedland, Mr Crawford said that since their very peak around 18 to 24 months ago, comparable prices in the region had declined by 25 per cent, rather than 40 per cent.

“People tend to forget that these regions do move in swings and cycles,” Mr Crawford told Smart Property Investment. “There’s no doubt it’s experienced a downturn, but it’s not unusual for this to happen every four years – it’s a typical cycle.”

Mr Crawford said cycles in mining towns can appear more extreme than those in the capital cities because they happen more quickly and more dramatically. He reminded investors that purchasing at the top of the cycle – in any market – is a risk.

“If investors bought in at the top of the cycle – which was 18 months to two years ago in Port Hedland – those investors would be noticing a substantial drop in their rental income and the value of their properties would have gone backwards,” he said.

“That’s no different to what people experience in capital cities when they decline. It’s similar to when Perth came off in 2007 and declined for three years – there was an 18 per cent reduction in prices.”

Mining town crash claims ?misleading?

This is quite different to the thought:

Originally Posted by alisoncc (Post 8905975)
... Thinks of all the idiots who have paid multi-millions of dollars for a house in some scruffy inner Sydney suburb...

So I stick by my statement:

Originally Posted by david1300 (Post 8906047)
3 - When ever, yes, EVER, has property in Australia reduced to half it's value? Even in the recent GFC and the previous 'recession we had to have' this didn't happen. If you or anyone else wants to live your life by these ridiculous scare-story assumptions don't expect the rest of us to follow or agree...


chuboy 19th Mar 2015 02:14


Originally Posted by david1300 (Post 8907400)
As suggested, I did check Port Hedland, and this is what I found:

[COLOR="Blue"]Speaking to Smart Property Investment, Mr Crawford said the media and some commentators had a tendency to “sensationalise” their claims about mining towns. He said that even though Port Hedland has declined, the picture isn’t nearly as bleak as some would have you believe.

What! The founder of Pilbara's largest real estate group played down claims of a market crash in Port Hedland?! Say it ain't so! :ok:

When even the real estate vultures are admitting prices could/can/did go down and the markets are "cyclical" you know you have a problem.

rh200 19th Mar 2015 06:04

The vast majority of time property is always a good buy. All depends on the integration time and some restraint in how you buy. If you bought a family home at the top of the cycle, no probs its a long term thing anyway. If your a family investor, then depending how much you have over reached, you may be stuffed, but thats how the cookie crumbles. For some lucky few they will pick up a bargin. The market will turn around.

Hempy 19th Mar 2015 06:08


No, I don't have a problem at all. He is committed to his cause, but shallow thinking huggy-fluffy leftist ABC and SMH journalists are hell bent on depicting him as something else.
Yeah, class act all round... :rolleyes:



of course, he's a 'fixer'...



:rolleyes: :ugh: :ugh:

rh200 19th Mar 2015 12:35


The judiciary has the blood of this young girl on their hands.
No left wing dogooders do, hell I'll get straight to the point, the labor party. Society and the Judges are are result of long term social policy. She is just collateral damage in the lefts holy war to make a more just society.

Kodachrome 19th Mar 2015 14:19

Poor old Tones.
Being governed by fools is not funny | afr.com

Hempy 19th Mar 2015 14:30

Come on now Koda, everyone knows the Australian Financial Review is part of the huggy fluffy Leftist propaganda machine! All the 'mainstream media' are, you know, especially the commo Murdoch press, Fairfax, the 'ALPBC' and all the commercial stations too. And don't get me started on Social Media...Crikey.com needs to be shut down completely!! It's a conspiracy I tells ya!! The only ones to listen to are Andrew Bolt and Alan Jones don't you know?

Now, wheres my tinfoil hat?

Jeps 19th Mar 2015 21:14

One murder is infinitely too many however, the murder rate in this country is so low it barely warrants a mention. Then if you only look at the shall we say "completely innocent" victims of murder the rate is even lower. The suicide rate is 11 times higher(youth suicide even higher) so let's talk about that. The media don't report on individual cases as its believed that it encourages some. Fine, but we can talk about the statistics and it's just far too high. If the governemnt wants to be seen to be doing something productive I think I might be ok with them using my money to try and do something about this epidemic.

Cos sure as [email protected]! If the murder rate was 11 per 100,000 we would be talking about it and we would all know someone who had been murdered.

CoodaShooda 19th Mar 2015 23:35

Vale Malcolm Fraser.

rh200 19th Mar 2015 23:55


so let's talk about that.
see


No left wing dogooders do, hell I'll get straight to the point, the labor party. Society and the Judges are are result of long term social policy.
and edit to

they are just collateral damage in the lefts holy war to make a more just society.

Basically it comes down to aims and lack of direction and self-esteem. We once had a purpose, rightly or wrongly. In todays society its all about the individual and what gets you off.

Whilst most can just stumble though life, you just start moving the distribution around. Hence you get a larger population of people who are lost.

Life was a lot simpler when you had a purpose, have a family and do your supporting life role , another words wife/ husband. A rather crude but effective method of social control.

MTOW 20th Mar 2015 00:28

It would be hypocritical of me to share your kind sentiments, Cooda. Without wishing to speak ill of the dead, in my opinion, the body has now gone to where the brain went fifteen or more years ago.

My condolences to his family, but that's about as far as I can go.

Hempy 20th Mar 2015 02:02


they are just collateral damage in the lefts holy war to make a more just society.

Basically it comes down to aims and lack of direction and self-esteem. We once had a purpose, rightly or wrongly. In todays society its all about the individual and what gets you off.

Whilst most can just stumble though life, you just start moving the distribution around. Hence you get a larger population of people who are lost.

Life was a lot simpler when you had a purpose, have a family and do your supporting life role , another words wife/ husband. A rather crude but effective method of social control.
I've tried to wrap my head around exactly what point you are trying to make in that post, but for the life of me I can't. I just reads like someone trying to turn 'life' into a political agenda.

You seem to have all the answers though, why don't you run for Parliament? With a PhD you're better educated than just about all the politicians we have at the moment, most of them just have Law degrees or MBA's.

dr dre 20th Mar 2015 03:05


It would be hypocritical of me to share your kind sentiments, Cooda. Without wishing to speak ill of the dead, in my opinion, the body has now gone to where the brain went fifteen or more years ago.

My condolences to his family, but that's about as far as I can go.
Without wishing to speak ill of the dead, MTOW? Yet you call the man "brain dead" for his thoughts and words from around the time when he left office and his political views became small-l liberal (or more correctly, the LNP's views drifted more hard right conservative)

The last Conservative leader who I can remember who passed away was Margaret Thatcher, and remember how some on the right cried out about how some on the left reacted after her death? How about we just refrain from petty attacks and remember the long history of public service this man carried out. After all when J.Howard passes some on the left will no doubt have negative comments waiting, so how bout we stop these vindictive post death putdowns now?

Kodachrome 20th Mar 2015 03:41

Dre is right, also remember some of the disgusting things said here when Whitlam died

Hempy 20th Mar 2015 03:56

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...sctbzoeme.jpeg

Stanwell 20th Mar 2015 04:16

Do we detect a bit of irony there, Hempy?

Hempy 20th Mar 2015 04:40

Dunno, do you? :) It seems pretty literate to me though, not something someone who was 'brain dead' would be capable of elucidating I'd imagine


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