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Takan Inchovit 31st Jan 2015 10:33

I your neck of the woods perhaps; a bit further north and labour will clamp down on anything that shows promise of development. They always have and always will. (Presuming they will have the say after today).

Worrals in the wilds 31st Jan 2015 10:34

When they laid off a whole bunch of public servants they flooded the jobs market. Sure, plenty of these candidates were duds but plenty of them weren't.
Suddenly if you were applying for say an admin job, a health job, an operations job and so on, you were competing with a bunch of very competent, recently redundant former Queensland public servants.

Or should that be taxpayer supplied.
What do you pay taxes for? At least partly for services?? Who provides those services, whether it's your hospital admission, paving the major roads you use etc etc? One of the Qld LNP government's tricks was to outsource as many of these as they could. In many cases I hear this was more expensive (though I don't have the numbers to hand) and almost always the service was crappier. I think that impacted on today's vote.

Anyway, Newman is currently being gracious in defeat and gave a very good concession speech. If he had been that gracious in government he wouldn't have lost.

Takan Inchovit 31st Jan 2015 10:36


If he had been that gracious in government he wouldn't have lost.
Pretty fickle :rolleyes:

rh200 31st Jan 2015 10:39

1) There was always going to be a large swing this election to compensate for the abnormal one last.

2) Federal Libs being on the nose adds a bit more.

3) Newman being an arrogant f#$wit adds more.


Basically They didn't sell themselves enough, can't think of any real policy stuff ups, unlike the feds.

As for Tony getting elected by a huge majority, we are not a presidential system, unless you have the senate your stuffed.

Basically he can't do what he wants to do. People have got to stop over blowing things.

Things have not been that bad in Aus the last ten or so years, hence no matter how bad the prognostic, no party is gong to get away with what can be seen as severe measures.

What does that mean, Newman got in last time because of two things, disillusionment with Labor and Newman sold the LNP well.

That didn't mean he had the authority to run amuck.

Conversely on the federal scene, Tony didn't win the last election, Labor lost it. What that means is from a punters perspective he had very limited room to move, no matter what the true believers might think.

At the end of the day, until where completely up the creek, the Libs will not have the moral authority to take drastic measures.

Worrals in the wilds 31st Jan 2015 10:43


In your neck of the woods perhaps; a bit further north and labour will clamp down on anything that shows promise of development. They always have and always will.
Then why has the north swung Labor? Don't tell me it's because the electorate is stupid; 1. I'm :bored: with that argument and 2. it never get's trotted out when the Libs win. Then, suddenly the electorate gets smart...


Pretty fickle :rolleyes:
Me or him?
If he hadn't abused and/or fought with practically every single Queenslander over the past three years then I don't think we'd be having this conversation, because the LNP would have won. Maybe by a reduced majority, but we wouldn't be waiting on the postals.

What does that mean, Newman got in last time because of two things, disillusionment with Labor and Newman sold the LNP well.
That didn't mean he had the authority to run amuck.
Yep. Howard's government went to the polls with a planned ten percent increase in tax and won. it's not impossible, but getting in, throwing your weight around with a big sense of entitlement and admitting that you lied your arse off does not automatically win you election number two.
Newman's LNP might have been honest about asset sales during this election campaign, but that was about the only thing they were honest about in the past three years. Prior to that, everything they've done has been a very nasty shock.

SOPS 31st Jan 2015 12:19

I didn't get who she was, a Female Lib federal member on the ABC News 24 panel, sort of said at the end of the broadcast, that Tony's speech on Monday is going to be pivitol.

She actually said the words....leadership spill...but quickly back tracked.

Edit..it was Jane Prentice.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-0...e-says/6060174

Kodachrome 31st Jan 2015 13:59

Can't think of any policy stuff ups? Are you serious? Everything they touched turned into a disaster. Sacking of civil servants (despite what you may think of the policy itself all those sacked servants and their family and friends were sitting on the metaphorical verandah with baseball bats, waiting for the election), going to war with the judiciary, turning the CMC into a toothless tiger, doctor contracts, asset sales, appointment of an unpopular and under qualified Chief Magistrate (who we're stuck with), unemployment rate skyrocketing and deficit increasing (wow under a LNP government, talk about hypocrisy), environmental vandalism, need I go on? He's an arrogant sod too.

The election is not without its ironies either, now Newman also finds himself out of a job just like all those civil servants he sacked.

GOODBYE NEWMAN!
http://i.imgur.com/mxszkEw.png?1

Ethel the Aardvark 31st Jan 2015 14:54

Looks like Queenslanders saw through the dirty tactics and the quicky election before the opposition get any momentum chestnut.
https://independentaustralia.net/aus...erate-lnp,7321
Well done QLD, now let's get rid of the other muppet!

rh200 31st Jan 2015 20:25


Everything they touched turned into a disaster
Actually none of those policies where a disaster in their own right, more of small annoyances. For example sacking civil servants, please, average Jo Bloh non civil servants hate them. Going to war with the Judiciary, who cares certainly not bogans. The reef, well half of the bogans maybe. But frankly for most of the LNP and most of their base economy comes first.

The problem was it was too many small things at once, its a bit like the old saying its "in the noise", but if you get to much noise it raises the "DC" level.

He got too much noise, including from the feds

He isn't the only conservative premier to stuff up with money at the moment, ours has as well. I think they overestimated the mining boom and took advantage of it to try some "State" building, but thats come back to bite them in the @rse. Well thats how it is here anyway.

Captain Sand Dune 31st Jan 2015 20:36

Well done Queensland, you got rid of that nasty Campbell Newman. Now what? How long will it be before you remember why you voted him in in the first place? Oh well, at least your bikies and your unions will be happy. Enjoy your three years of economic mis-managemnent, which your new government can always blame on the federal LNP government.
I see the adoring MSM are now trying to link the LNP’s loos in Queensland to the federal government’s performance.

Worrals in the wilds 31st Jan 2015 22:18

Rh200, the weird thing was that bogans were talking about the judicial appointment. I don't think it's ever happened before.

rh200 1st Feb 2015 00:05


the weird thing was that bogans were talking about the judicial appointment. I don't think it's ever happened before.
What was that?

Bogan talking!: WTF is a judicial appointment?:p. That seems wrong why can't I get one? sh!t how is that going to affect my beer? Sh!t is the price of beer going to go up? F#$k how is that going to affect me doing burnouts in front of other peoples houses in the middle of the night.:E

If the bogans where interested, its most likely becauase they thought it was going affect them somehow and not some noble cause. Unless it involves lycra and cycling, which invokes immediate hatred.

chuboy 1st Feb 2015 00:17


Originally Posted by Captain Sand Dune (Post 8848161)
I see the adoring MSM are now trying to link the LNP’s loos in Queensland to the federal government’s performance.

You believe them to be unrelated?

After this and what happened in Victoria, I don't think the NSW LNP shares in your confidence.

Worrals in the wilds 1st Feb 2015 00:20

I'll pass on your feedback to the many bogans I know who were asking me questions about it. :}
None of those issues came up; people were more curious about the hows and whys around judicial appointments. As most Aussies would be hard pressed to name a single current High Court Justice I was surprised myself.

rh200 1st Feb 2015 00:43


None of those issues came up; people were more curious about the hows and whys around judicial appointments. As most Aussies would be hard pressed to name a single current High Court Justice I was surprised myself.
Don't worry Worrals, just taking the p!ss, being half bogan myself its alright.

Note I did put in

WTF is a judicial appointment?
.

We are ready seeing all the bull being wheeled out by left and right. Some commentators are saying its the new rise of the left, AKA see whats happening in Spain and Greece etc, the people are pissed off with government Austerity etc.

Lets not get over excited, depending upon the metric you use and the end overall numbers, its not that big of a deal.

Lets get this straight, the last election which Labor was wiped out, was an outlier, a land slide in the seat metric, not sure of the vote numbers though.

Whats the seat count now? More of a normalisation I would think, with a slight bias to the Labor party. Again not sure of the vote numbers.

I will say this again, Unless the LNP walked on water (not just think they did) there was always going to be a huge swing in seat count back to Labor this time around, there is no rocket science in this.

As such you shouldn't let the overall numbers distract from the relevant numbers, and that is the percentage of swingers who got pissed off.

As Worrals said in a earlier post, and is well known, there is a particular amount of voters who will vote along party lines come hell or high water, unless there is an extreme reason not to. Last time it was hell or high water for the Labor party, this time probably only small but reasonable size hard core LNP switched sides.

Worrals in the wilds 1st Feb 2015 01:46

No worries. :)
They're counting on a Sunday, at the moment it's LNP 39, ALP 43, KAT 2, IND 1 with four in doubt. The seats in doubt are about 70% counted, with two going each way. If Labor gets the two they're leading they've won outright. If they get one they could form government with the independent Wellington, who's formed a cohesive government with Labor once before.

As you say, a fairly normal result in most circumstances. I think the Wow /Wtf factor has gotten people overly excited, but it is a huuuge shock, for both sides.

Hempy 1st Feb 2015 05:07


Originally Posted by rh200
there is (sic) a particular amount of voters who will vote along party lines come hell or high water

LOL! Most of them are on here bemoaning how the 'stupid electorate' don't know what's good for them by voting 'good government' out of office :rolleyes:

Fubaar 1st Feb 2015 05:45

A question for you Hempy. Forget the politics. Just tell me. Do you really think that our society can survive if people demand a standard of living that we cannot afford and keep borrowing against the future to maintain that 'gimme something for nothing' lifestyle? Do you really think we can keep putting off the day the debt has to be paid? And when the money - or what that money can buy - is no longer available because there just isn't any more, (or there are no more 'rich' people from whom to take what they've earned to support those who put in nothing), what happens then?

Just a question I'd really like to see an answer to. (A question along the same lines as one that was repeatedly asked [and always went unanswered] on an earlier version of this thread: "What has the Rudd government done to warrant your support?")

chuboy 1st Feb 2015 06:20


Originally Posted by Fubaar (Post 8848512)
Do you really think that our society can survive if people demand a standard of living that we cannot afford and keep borrowing against the future to maintain that 'gimme something for nothing' lifestyle?

No. Quite frankly, as a species we are living on borrowed time. We have been since the Industrial Age and it is perfectly unsustainable. That hasn't stopped anyone but the most "radical lefty socialist hippies" make the most of their insignificant lifetimes here on planet Earth though! :)

All this is conjecture is moot of course, Labor did not commit to nearly as much spending as the LNP did and should not need to "borrow against the future". Since every man and his dog started using the Internet to access live updates of every electoral promise a politician breaks in real time, the consequences of which have been manifested in the bloodbath elections of late, I doubt there is much appetite to go ahead and borrow money just for the sake of it :=

Pinky the pilot 1st Feb 2015 06:24


maintain that 'gimme something for nothing' lifestyle?
Which unfortunately, now seems to be the normal attitude for almost an entire generation of Australians in a certain socio-economic section of society.

I remember only too vividly having a coffee with an ex girlfriend, and having to listen to her eldest daughter expound at length how she and her (unemployed at the time) partner were going to have a family straight away. She had already had one child with him and was pregnant again.

Her argument was that 'the Government' was going to pay for all of it!

I finally exploded!:mad::mad:

"No it's not the Government who will be picking up the tab! It's the poor long suffering taxpayer! And this example of the poor long suffering taxpayer' and here I pointed to myself, 'is absolutely sick and (expletive deleted) tired of parasitical bludgers like you two who won't carry their own weight or take responsibility for your own actions!'

I slammed down my coffee and walked back to my car, got in and drove off.

Never saw them again, and the ex GF has never mentioned the incident in the few times we have subsequently met for coffee.


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