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rh200 24th Jan 2015 20:11


Although Saddam and his Secret Police deserved the death penalty for keeping a secular society secular in the heart of extremism.
Saddam deserved the death penalty for several reasons and you know it. If you want the huggy fluffie reason, gassing how many Kurds again, a culture that is far from extremism.

Suppressing and murdering Shiites, a culture that makes up the vast majority of Iraqi, and the majority of which are fairly benign by their standards.

The extremists you talk of are his fellow Sunni's who are cracking the sh!ts at not holding power. The extremists you speak of are taking advantage of our western weakness.

Its amazing how people who usuall sprout about all good things left can have so much disdain and hatred towards the Shites.

Ethel the Aardvark 24th Jan 2015 23:28

Just a bit of perspective I understand the main antagonists at Lakemba who were arrested were the anti Muslim redneck brigade.

Meanwhile the countdown to the Queensland election is getting interesting
https://independentaustralia.net/pol...d-chances,7295

Will a visit by Dum Dum put the nail in Campbell's coffin?

Clare Prop 25th Jan 2015 03:31

Not much point arresting the placard wavers, they don't want freedom it seems. More of a punishment to let them carry on walking the streets spreading thier message of love and peace. :rolleyes:

Even if they were nicked by the police the terrified soft cock hand wringing judiciary would just let them off scot free anyway.

SOPS 25th Jan 2015 12:50

I see that this moron junaid thorne ( some idiot trained in Saudi Arabia) is calling on islam to wipe out Australia Day.

Please Tony, jail this guy for treason...now!

dat581 25th Jan 2015 23:36

Hasn't he breached Section 18C? Does it only apply if white people offend somebody?

Clare Prop 26th Jan 2015 01:26

As an aboriginal and a muslim Thorne is pretty much untouchable under 18C or indeed any other law.

rh200 26th Jan 2015 03:05


Hasn't he breached Section 18C? Does it only apply if white people offend somebody?
Yep.


As an aboriginal and a muslim Thorne is pretty much untouchable under 18C or indeed any other law.
Its called positive discrimination, we will absolutly discriminate against you white trash (Im white) for all the evils you have foisted upon us.

Another huggy fluffy concept bought in by lefty's when some uncomfortable facts arouse with their equality drives. Another words it wasn't working out like their Utopian plan envisaged.

Clare Prop 26th Jan 2015 03:29

All the security, laws and the police work won't make any difference if the softcock handwringing judiciary are so scared and/or PC that they just keep letting them go.

Ethel the Aardvark 26th Jan 2015 06:57

I see Labor MP Terri Butler has officially asked Dum Dum to prove he is not a dual citizen. He should quickly Knight himself why he still has time.

Hempy 26th Jan 2015 07:26

So is he Sir Prince Phillip or Prince Sir Phillip ?? :ugh:

Worrals in the wilds 26th Jan 2015 07:36


All the security, laws and the police work won't make any difference if the softcock handwringing judiciary are so scared and/or PC that they just keep letting them go.
Hope springs eternal.
No Cookies | The Courier-Mail

Ms Mellifont said the applicant’s sudden incarceration had “traumatised” his family and while their bank accounts had been frozen, his wife was forced to make ends meet through the generosity of others.
Like many other people remanded in custody. Anway, it didn't work. :ok:

Succarieh remains incarcerated at the Arthur Gorrie Correctional Centre and did not front court for the hearing.

So is he Sir Prince Phillip or Prince Sir Phillip ?? :ugh:
Either way he's not an Australian citizen; I thought the awards were for Aussies?:confused: Kooky... even the right wing commentators are a bit confused.
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...73UorB6f6LdoEg

CoodaShooda 26th Jan 2015 08:12

Considering Rudd/Gillard/Abbott, I am reminded of Douglas Adams' plot line of the President of the Universe being chosen solely as an extravagant distraction to take attention away from those who are really running things.

Meanwhile, on the local front, the President of ALP(NT) and Secretary of Local Voice NT has reportedly shot through to fight with the Kurds in Syria.

There are rumours circulating that he is also linked to a major criminal investigation; but this is not running in the media.

It does beg the question whether "going off to fight in Syria" will become the modern version of the "parking your car at the beach and leaving clothes on the sand" routine.

Worrals in the wilds 26th Jan 2015 08:56

Good lord! :eek: And I thought Queensland produced some kooky pollies.

Considering Rudd/Gillard/Abbott, I am reminded of Douglas Adams' plot line of the President of the Universe being chosen solely as an extravagant distraction to take attention away from those who are really running things.
Too true. WRT Rudd and Abbott, I'd settle for PM who doesn't display clear personality disorder traits. Gillard was just cheefully incompetent, but Latham was a near miss...:ouch:

Anyway, in Queensland Sportsbet is offering $6 for an ALP victory versus $1.10 for the LNP. They're also backing Newman in Ashgrove by a slim majority (2.00 to 1.75) and their shortest odds are on the LNP losing 25 seats. This conflicts with the 'official' polls which are predicting the election as too close to call (though a week's a long time in state politics). IIRC Sportsbet has been more accurate than the official polls in recent years.
Next Saturday should be interesting. :8

parabellum 26th Jan 2015 09:14

Personally I would go with the bookmakers. Be sorry to see it happen but the LNP could lose as many as 35-40 seats.

Hempy 26th Jan 2015 09:23


Either way he's not an Australian citizen
(Sir) Angus Houston was born in Scotland, the Australian of the Year and the Prime Minister were born in England. Who says we aren't multicultural.

rh200 26th Jan 2015 09:33

Frankly so called Knighthoods And various other honors are a bit of a joke these days and they get handed out for all sorts of convenient reasons.

But to be fair the silly old coot has been active for most of his life in various ventures to help all sorts here and elsewhere. Mind you when you have nothing to do but be the Queens b!tch what else can you do.

The Duke of Edinbourgh award being one such thing. The knighthood things just a ceremonial bullsh!t award. Unless its handed out by the Queen, who cares.

The only problem I have is it gives all those people with small genitals that feel insecure and want a Republic and El Presidente oxygen.

david1300 26th Jan 2015 09:40

Well at least we got her shipped off to England before she could do any damage here:

"THE public had a right to join or sympathise with a terrorist group like al-Qaeda or Islamic State and should not be punished for their beliefs, an Australian-born British political leader has declared.

The leader of the UK Green Party Natalie Bennett took to the airwaves in Britain yesterday to push her party’s agenda ahead of federal elections in May.

Speaking to BBC radio, the Sydney-born leader said under the Green Party, joining brutal terrorist groups like ISIS or al-Qaeda would not be illegal but committing acts of violence would..."

Read more here: No Cookies | The Courier-Mail

Worrals in the wilds 26th Jan 2015 09:58

Wow! I don't think even our 'beloved' :rolleyes: Australian Greens Senator SHY would have Gone There. :eek: UK politics is a lot more divisive than the Aussie version. Joining ISIS is a crime in Australia under the federal Criminal Code, as (among others) they are a declared terrorist organization and joining or associating with them is illegal.
Listed terrorist organisations | Australian National Security
For better or for worse, Australia has neither a Bill of Rights nor a guarantee of freedom of speech, though the HCA has found there is an implied right to freedom of political speech within the Australian Constitution.

The court decided that a right to freedom of political communication was essential to the system of representative government provided for in the Constitution. The court expressed the view that the reason why Australia does not have a bill of rights is because the framers of the Constitution believed that since Australia had a system of representative government, which gave all voters an equal share in political power, laws to protect rights were simply not necessary. To undermine the system of representative government was contrary to this trust which the people gave to the Parliaments, and was not permitted by the Constitution. Although this right is not an absolute one, it is still a right which allows for free and public political discussion.
The court also decided that the relevant laws, contained in Part IIID of the Broadcasting Act, were invalid because there was no reasonable justification for the way they restricted the freedom of political communication. The court decided that the laws also impaired certain functions of the States in terms of their rights to make political advertisements, and so the laws were also invalid for that reason.
Australian Capital Television Pty Ltd v Commonwealth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So far that right hasn't extended to joining organizations such as ISIS :hmm:. It may protect the right of an Australian individual to form a political party based upon a religious POV (let's say, to advocate for Sharia Law in Austalia and accordingly campaign in a state or federal election). It would not prevent them getting hosed out at the aforementioned election, which is what would happen. Also, depending on their platform they could contravene s18C of the Racial Discrimination Act.

Pending further cases, for an Australian pollie to say there was any sort of 'right' would be a bit dodgy, because for the most part we don't have 'rights' in Australia. This woman is not an Australian pollie (although she was born here); she is a British pollie, and the law is different there.

Angus Houston was born in Scotland, the Australian of the Year and the Prime Minister were born in England. Who says we aren't multicultural.
Of course, and no problem with that. However, from Wiki he emigrated to Australia in 1968 and joined the RAAF in 1970.
Angus Houston - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Currently, to join the ADF (and the APS) generally you must be an Australian citizen. Being British (or even a Kiwi) doesn't count.
Recruitment Centre - Defence Jobs Australia
Obviously prior to 1948 being a British subject and an Australian citizen were one and the same, though that doesn't apply in this case. Therefore, I'd assume that Air Chief Marshal Houston is at least a dual British/Australian citizen, so the question doesn't arise. Personally I don't care if people in either public service or public office are dual citizens, though I realise other Australians feel differently.

bosnich71 26th Jan 2015 10:35

Worrals .. if Houston joined the RAAF in1970 he didn't have to be an Australian citizen ...... as didn't the 100s' of Poms who were called up and shipped off to Viet Nam in the 60s' etc.

Worrals in the wilds 26th Jan 2015 10:38

Okay, then I'll stand corrected, thanks. :8
The question then is whether already serving members of the ADF were required to take out Australian citizenship when the regulations were later amended.
Anyone?


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