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parabellum 8th Jan 2015 08:44

I'd say he deserves everything he gets for his 'tin ear'.
Interesting, haven't heard that one before, in my younger days the name we used was, 'Cloth Eared"! :)

SOPS 8th Jan 2015 08:44

I really hope that is not true...if it is...God help us.

Deaf 8th Jan 2015 11:48

In Oz - no need to attack cartoonists

The humans rights commission under gillian triggs will use 18c to shut them down - (no capitals as that might give some impression of respect)

PPRuNe Towers 8th Jan 2015 15:34

The original text. Facebook 1005 pm 15th December:


We are absolutely devastated to learn of the tragic end to the hostage incident in Sydney.
We extend our greatest sympathies and thoughts to all those affected by this incredible tragedy.
To the victims, their families and friends, police and health workers, and to anyone around the nation watching at home impacted by this morning’s tragic events our hearts go out to you.
It is critical that the nation comes together today.
We should comfort one another and open our arms in warm embrace to all peace-loving people regardless of faith, race or nationality.
We commend the courage and professionalism of the police and other emergency services involved.

SOPS 8th Jan 2015 18:24

Thanks towers

MTOW 8th Jan 2015 21:10

I don't think we should hold our breaths waiting for the SMH or The Age to do a re-print of this article.

The Blame for the Charlie Hebdo Murders - The New Yorker

Doesn't quite fit the Fairfax 'narrative', does it?

Jeps 8th Jan 2015 22:19

I think that piece in the New Yorker is brilliant. Finally the right things are being said.

chuboy 9th Jan 2015 01:26

Found this interesting graphic in relation to the "$6000 for every man, woman and child spent on welfare" every year.
Source: Spending figures from Budget 2014-15 divided by the population as at June 2014.

It doesn't quite fit the narrative oft-repeated in this thread, unsurprisingly.

Flying Binghi 9th Jan 2015 01:45

via chuboy:
Found this interesting graphic in relation to the "$6000 for every man, woman and child spent on welfare" every year.

It doesn't quite fit the narrative oft-repeated in this thread, unsurprisingly.
When there's no reference to the source material of the graph the only narrative it fits is of the fairy tale type..:hmm:


Andu 9th Jan 2015 01:51

I have to say that some of the cartoons that have come out in reaction to this awful killing have been superb. The two vertical pencils with the airliner flying towards them was brilliant, as were quite a few others.

I had thought that this outrage might have been the turning point, the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak that would cause all Western media to say 'screw you' and print en masse all the cartoons that continue to outrage the crazies. But no, only a very few publications have had the courage to do this. (Easy for me to say, I know - I don't have a corporate address a crazy can come to to do a reprise on what we saw in Paris. These newspapers and TV stations do. And they have staff whose safety - and lives - they have to consider.)

So, in effect, the crazies have won this round too. They have succeeded in their aim - to send a loud and clear message to the Western media that their prophet is off limits. And the Western media, with a few laudable exceptions, have complied. The rest have pixilated any 'offending' cartoons out in their reports.

Where the crazies have lost is that these attacks seem to have caused a few more people to lose their until now self-imposed blinkers and see what until now, they have refused to see - that we are, in fact, in a state of war. We might not until now have declared that to be so, but the other side has and have made no secret of that fact.

I can only hope that if they pull off another attack on a similar scale to the attacks of September 2001, (a possibility posited yesterday by none less than the head of MI5), the reaction of the West this time will be similar to the reaction to the attack by Japan on the US in 1941 rather than the mealy-mouthed, half-arsed reaction we have seen by the West to date.

If history is anything to go by, the country most likely to give as good as it takes and be willing to strike hard at the root of this madness, (and by that, I mean the men providing the money, not the mindless foot soldiers of islam), is the latest to be attacked - France.

It will be interesting to see what high profile and not so high profile people suffer 'unfortunate accidents' over the next few months.

chuboy 9th Jan 2015 01:57

Originally Posted by Flying Binghi (Post 8817101)
When there's no reference to the source material of the graph the only narrative it fits is of the fairy tale type..:hmm:

My apologies. The source of the data in the graph is the 2014-15 national budget (so still a fairy tale? :}).

MTOW 9th Jan 2015 06:51

Considering the howls of outrage from virtually every talking head in our mainstream media that followed similar suggestions after the school killings recently in the US and the events in Sydney's Martin Place, this story is an interesting development.

Exclusive: After Westgate, Interpol Chief Ponders 'Armed Citizenry' - ABC News

Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble said today the U.S. and the rest of the democratic world is at a security crossroads in the wake of last month's deadly al-Shabab attack at a shopping mall in Nairobi, Kenya – and suggested an answer could be in arming civilians.

In an exclusive interview with ABC News, Noble said there are really only two choices for protecting open societies from attacks like the one on Westgate mall where so-called "soft targets" are hit: either create secure perimeters around the locations or allow civilians to carry their own guns to protect themselves.

"Societies have to think about how they're going to approach the problem," Noble said. "One is to say we want an armed citizenry; you can see the reason for that. Another is to say the enclaves are so secure that in order to get into the soft target you're going to have to pass through extraordinary security."

RJM 9th Jan 2015 07:36

It seems to me that neither of those options is particularly pleasant, practical or even effective; nor are they the only options.

Take the arming of citizens. The gun lobby is fond of saying people, not guns, kill. While people with guns kill, the NRA and friends have a point. Having armed everyone, how do we control what they do? We've seen the 'green on green' attacks within the fully armed military. An armed society would present endless opportunities for would-be martyrs to go out in style.

On the other hand, pervasive high security would make life almost unbearable, and quite ionic if it were in the cause of freedom.

Nor is it a choice of only those two outcomes, arming ourselves or submitting to extreme security.

Both of those measures try to deal with the effect rather than the cause. The cause is certain poisonous messages contained within Islam which when acted upon literally as an expression of faith, produce murder.

The best answer may be to seek reform within Islam. I have no idea how this might be achieved, but it would surely involve what is taught in Islamic schools and what is preached in mosques.

Failure to reform the tenets of Islamic belief with respect to the non-Muslim world can only mean the continuation of atrocities by Islamists until one or other side collapses.

Every effort should be made to achieve reform in Islam. Until then, we should defend our way of life as robustly as we can, but the aim should be that reform.

Stanwell 9th Jan 2015 07:46

Well, RJM
I don't think that's going to happen while they think they are winning.

RJM 9th Jan 2015 07:53

I reckon you're right. :(

If only a martyr could come back from being dead and say it's all bullsh*t, there's nothing, or even better, you and your family go to hell.

Pinky the pilot 9th Jan 2015 08:33

In the meantime RJM, there is an old saying which may or may not be suitable to some;

"Keep your powder dry!"

Read into that whatever you will.

I know what I will do.

SOPS 9th Jan 2015 09:06

I hope Two Dads is watching what is going on in Paris. One of these whack jobs had been in Yemen, previously. From there he could have easily hoped on a boat, and arrived at Christmas Island as a poor, repressed refugee.

God knows how many like them, are already living amonst us.

SOPS 9th Jan 2015 10:50

I think I have to agree with her this time.

Jacqui Lambie questions why treason charges havent been laid against Junaid Thorne | Daily Mail Online

Flying Binghi 9th Jan 2015 11:23

via RJM:
Having armed everyone, how do we control what they do?...
...and will a gun actually stop the terrorist act ? Reading a few of the Inspire magazines will have yer realise that a gun, an armed 'citizen', will not stop many of the terrorist plots.

Inspire (magazine) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

...and i havn't fergotten chuboy.


ramble on 9th Jan 2015 11:37

More to Come
Hello All,

After the Sydney hostage deaths I posted an observation about Australia that I had after seeing an Islamic March in Melbourne on Melbourne Cup day Tuesday 5 November.

There were 10,000 angry young Musilim men marching the streets with not one sign or word in English.

Each and every government has to stop this overt lack of integration of immigants. These people have to be forced to integrate or return to their homelands. The only hope is positive and proactive integration of immigrants, otherwise the continued fester of their gangrenous intent will continue until it kills the whole.

France started it with a strong stand on women wearing Burkhas/Nikhabs/Veils and I hope that the latest events make them act with strength not a pandering weakness.

Each country has to act now to protect its own identity or it will be lost to these 5th columnists.

The strength and backbone will have to eventually come from within our own societies and governments or we are lost and will all be consumed.

Its not about religion, its about fanatacism.

As I said before in early December - there is more and worse of this to come. Be prepared.

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