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parabellum 28th Dec 2014 03:35

Davis Weather Station, from Davis (Australia) = A$639.00


Same station, direct from Davis (USA) = A$369.00 delivered.

Dark Knight 28th Dec 2014 04:06

Takan Inchovit, parabellum

Thanks Guy/Guyesses: just add them to the list and send them to your local MP/Senator

Let them know we have had enough.

Any More??

rh200 28th Dec 2014 04:30

Guys, you haven't said whether those costs comparisons are physical shop front or internet?

I personnally don't like the idea of GST on internet sales but, really 10% on a $39 product, who cares 10% on a sh!t load cheaper is stuff all.

Yes the retailer are cracking the sh!ts, but thats on lt the start they know there's more to it than 10%.

Now think about it for a moment, from a psychological perspective when we walk into a shop, we like to see variety, whether that be Harveys or a cafe. How much of that stock gets sold or written off?

In effect a particular amount of the markup needs to go to cover the cost of a lot of sh!t they don,t sell, all so a shop looks all nice and fancy for us plebes when we walk in. Then there's the staff, the staff employed under Australian conditions, conditions such as safety, leave loading, insurance, $100 a day plus child care, etc etc.

Yes there are rip offs, but frankly store costs are always significantly higher than on line ones, even on line in Australia. Basically we want our cake and eat it too.

Dark Knight 28th Dec 2014 05:02

rh200; good contribution however, the prices so far quoted are an indication of just how much the retailers are ripping us off.

Why, how can they justify 50-705 off on their Boxing Day sales? Or other sales throughout the year?

Is the original quoted price justifiable?


In effect a particular amount of the markup needs to go to cover the cost of a lot of sh!t they don,t sell, all so a shop looks all nice and fancy for us plebes when we walk in. Then there's the staff, the staff employed under Australian conditions, conditions such as safety, leave loading, insurance, $100 a day plus child care, etc etc.
It is called doing business!
Yes these costs need be covered, considered however, many are applicable elsewhere (agreed perhaps not to the same extent) however, for years retailers sat back and copping these immediately passing on the cost to the consumer. Australian consitions? it is about living in a global community; no tariffs, Free Trade agreements, etc, good for everyone else but but the consumer who -guess who pays for it in the end?

We, as dummies, just copped it.

Yes it can be pleasant to walk into a shop, feel, try things on, get advice, compare articles and goods however, we often (and should) compare prices with the retailers competitors often finding surprising variations. Shopping on the internet provides instant comparison with price differential usually illustrating just how great the mark is by Australian retailers.

What has happened is internet shopping has had an effect of lowering prices here making them more competitive with overseas. I give golf equipment as one example where the price differential has changed markedly equipment here now being basically similar to the US.


Basically we want our cake and eat it too
We sure do and now we have been awoken to the giant rip-off times are a changing.

Do not forget the role of State Governments here who are equally complicit in getting as much of YOUR money as they can.

rh200 28th Dec 2014 10:17

It a simple fact that at the end of the day a company has to make a profit. Another words when integrated across all stock, there has to be a net profit.

Hence if a shop has 10 000 line items but say 20% are in the 1 sigma of sales and 30% in the etc, you can easily see how the large profit on the most sold item gets whittled away on supporting the unsold.

Most items with have anything from at least 50% to 70% or more on top. You can see this with various large distrubutors when you buy in their store or you have a corporate account and get it on line and delivered.

Hence if large online (ones with shop fronts too) distrubutors can sell to corporate at a profit with 50% off, then their margin must be higher again.

(It always p!sses me off when I go in on the weekend and want to buy some goodys personally, and know how much they cost on the corporate account:{)

The totally online ones are even easier, they just send the orders though to distribution and they can get collated, very little overhead.

Basically at the end of the day, do we want a shop to walk into? If so where are the costs going to give, maybe we can hire third world people. Its a social conundrum, as long as its not forced to quickly it will sort itself out.

Hence throwing 10% on on-line items doesn't worry me, it will just add a buffer for a while. So its back to, if you can get it on-line for a significant percentage cheaper, do you really care about 10%?


Why, how can they justify 50-705 off on their Boxing Day sales? Or other sales throughout the year?
The margin is why they can, then turnover at next to no margin, couple with various tax dodges they can do at different levels.

Dark Knight 28th Dec 2014 22:30

The points raised are valid however; I/we shop where we get service and value for money which internet shopping certainly provides whilst illustrating how Australian retailers have been ripping us off unmercifully for years.

The margins for the same goods between here and overseas cannot be justified. Some of the prices I quoted and are aware of were from similar retailers to here i.e. the Ford fuel pump was from the Ford dealer in Palo Alto, CA, USA.

Agreed 10% may make little difference and not deter people from shopping on line but it is 10% today – what will it be tomorrow?

It is the principle which counts; retailers have been unscrupulously ripping us off for years and the example given `the margin is why they can, then turnover at next to no margin, couple with various tax dodges they can do at different levels.’ is another illustration of the devious practices at hand. True the complete tax system is one giant mess requiring a fix.

Couple this with practices such as charging fees to use ones credit card, fees to print receipt/tickets, fees to deposit and withdraw YOUR/OUR money from the bank, the manner in which companies, Government have backrooms full of clerks, bureaucrats devising fees, commissions, charges, postage and handling to be added to the cost of all goods and services particularly local government rates and utility (gas, electricity & water) our hard earned salaries are being continuously seriously mined.

As I quoted earlier retailing is constantly evolving the large retailers with little scruples pressurising the small retailer out of business; the internet is the next evolution which retailers have to accept becoming competitive in or they too will disappear.
Along similar lines the previous idea of charging `postage’ for email could be resurrected with a sound case being made to justify this as the Post Office mail services are struggling for profit whilst doing very nicely from internet sales. (not that we would not mention this presenting our case.)
  • What happened to the removal of all tariffs Government said were for our benefit enabling us to compete in a Global economy?
  • What happened to the much touted Free Trade Agreements we are constantly told are so good for us by both State and Federal politicians?
  • Does the application of GST to Internet/International sales contradict these?

Government, State and Federal, are continuously searching for ways and means to increase taxes upon us however, to do so assisting unscrupulous, rapacious retailers in their quest to overcharge us is no longer an acceptable practice or option.

Andu 28th Dec 2014 23:34

It's not just retailers. How about holiday resorts, restaurants and hotels? How many times have you walked away from any of these in Australia feeling thoroughly ripped off by ridiculously high charges and piss poor service?

Surely there must be some Australian proprietors who recognise that a customer who walks away feeling he's been given value for money provides the best advertising known to man - word of mouth. He tells friends about it and some of those friends will go to the place on that recommendation.

The opposite applies. Is it any wonder so many Australians flock to Fiji and Bali rather than to similar places, often with far better beaches, in Australia?

And while I'm on a roll, and since this is an aviation site, there's the national airline. Don't get me started there.

bosnich71 28th Dec 2014 23:54

Ken Lay,Commissioner Victoria Police Force, announced his retirement this morning due to his wife's illness.
A pity as he was a 'proper cop' after the previous plonkers we have had here in recent years. Stand by for a return to a normal P.C. i.e. labour appointment I suppose.

Dark Knight 29th Dec 2014 00:13

Agreed: restored respect, propriety and professionalism to VicPol.

When interviewed would always give an honest straight answer; where he did not know the answer; where it was `politically sensitive'; security sensitive he would indicate so and or get back with an answer later.

Good honest copper who will be missed.

porch monkey 29th Dec 2014 03:26

All of a sudden, I feel a little less enthusiastic about returning to work after the short xmas break. Very disappointing.:(

Stanwell 29th Dec 2014 08:50

Yeah, I don't know either.
What is it? - Greed, stupidity or a beautiful coming-together of both?

I've lived in Sydney's Eastern Suburbs nearly all my life.
The pretentious poonces who've been tripping over each other to move in here are, quite frankly, painful.
They combine both of the abovementioned qualities to the point where I've decided to take the ridiculous amount of money
I've been offered for my property and retire to a safe distance.

Gotta be somewhere near an airport, though.

Andu 30th Dec 2014 00:03

I wait with bated breath for SHY and the usual suspects' reaction to this:

No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au


NO contraception, no dole – that’s the view of an ex-Labor Minister who believes welfare should be linked to compulsory contraception.

SOPS 30th Dec 2014 06:08

Teen dies after a train severed both legs when he fell asleep on tracks after celebrating his 18th birthday | Daily Mail Online

I could be wrong, but the fact that there is no names or receipt ions of the offenders, seems to speak heaps.

RJM 30th Dec 2014 06:39

It does seem odd, but there are any number of reasons. It does seem strange that the boy's father would be obstructing efforts to help his son, though.

Fubaar 31st Dec 2014 20:05

Top secret Cabinet documents from the Hawke government years up to 1989 released. It will be interesting to see if the events commonly - and incorrectly - known as "the pilots' strike" feature in these documents and if they change anyone's perceptions of those days.

Ethel the Aardvark 1st Jan 2015 11:56

I just had a laugh when I read that Tony Dum Dum claims to have been a good sledger
Maybe someone needs to explain to him that standing with your mouth wide open, looking like moron trying to think of something to say is not sledging.

Stanwell 1st Jan 2015 14:01

Fubaar,
Yes, that's going to be interesting, innit?

Ethel,
It's not often I agree with your posts but that observation is spot-on.
The guy's supposed to have been a barrister, for gawsake!

RJM 1st Jan 2015 18:48

There's a scandal sheet in Canberra called Vexnews, until recently edited by Andrew Landeryou, a political blogger from the Labor Right. Of Vexnews, it has been said: "The overwhelming majority of what Landeryou prints is vague rumour, personal vendettas and outright fiction. Very occasionally, though, some actual facts sneak through."

Landeryou doesn't like Sarah Hanson-Young, apparently. I don't have much time for her either, so anyone else who feels the same way may enjoy this bit of scuttlebutt from Vexnews, which elsewhere describes SHY as 'a former Goth now Christian business-class-flying cougar-queen':

"I can vouch for SHY being a real go-er at the Kennedy Room [a bar in Canberra]. As she drinks more vodka Red Bulls she becomes more aggressive – like a female praying mantis who seeks to bite the head off her mate after copulation.

SHY doesn’t leave anything to chance in her quest to add another notch to her wiccan stick. She thrusts her heaving bosom into men's elbows and hands, rubs her ‘big mama’ butt into their groins and behaves more like someone at a fat hookers' convention than an Australian senator."

Lovely!

rh200 1st Jan 2015 20:24


"I can vouch for SHY being a real go-er at the Kennedy Room [a bar in Canberra]. As she drinks more vodka Red Bulls she becomes more aggressive – like a female praying mantis who seeks to bite the head off her mate after copulation.
Sounds all primed and right for a young conservative male to take one for the team and do a "Bussell":E Turning her into an independent though vigorous a "non vegetarian diet of sausage" would be even more of a legend status than Busswell.:p


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