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owen meaney 27th Oct 2014 09:40

Takan. any more info on that?
My understanding is that the States have to agree to any change in GST rate

Takan Inchovit 27th Oct 2014 10:20


My understanding is that the States have to agree to any change in GST rate
It appears that way, the States are being squeezed but are putting up resistance. Either way something will give and we will all be hit in the wallet. Of course that will give unions something to bleat about and I'm sure we all know what that will lead to.

Ethel the Aardvark 27th Oct 2014 11:05

Looks like Blabbotts release from British citizenship form is absent without leave.
Would be most fitting if this old chestnut brought the arrogant fool down.
Turnbull would be his most likely successor as who else could step up to the plate?

parabellum 27th Oct 2014 11:29

In a two horse race to replace Abbott I would be putting my money on Bishop, but it won't be necessary, Abbott won't be sacked.

RJM 27th Oct 2014 13:09

The incomparable Sarah Hanson-Young's latest offering:

"Greens immigration spokeswoman Senator Sarah HansonYoung said Labor’s eagerness to adopt turnbacks showed the party was “happy to send refugees home to face death and torture in exchange for cheap political points … Tow-backs are dangerous and, by stopping people from fleeing their war-torn homelands, they cost lives."

'...they cost lives.'

Is there no end to the opportunistic, child-like, hypocritical rubbish coming from this witless, publicity-seeking politician?

What on earth is she doing within a bull's roar of our national parliament, let alone having any influence in it?

Hempy 27th Oct 2014 13:27

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4...0pxhanson4.jpg

The funny thing is that Abbotts slush fund ran her out in the first place. Probably so he could steal her policies..

Kodachrome 27th Oct 2014 14:33

rh200 it is bleeding obvious you have not done a phd on the subject. I almost got a hernia from laughing. Why are you treating politics as your own personal cult, everyone who is not with you is against you?

Food for thought for the anti-Gough crowd: Many parallels to K. Rudd's time at the helm, when he passes odds are he too will be remembered as a visionary leader who kept us, for the most part, out of the global recession and was then ousted.
Think Whitlam ruined our economy? Think again - The Drum (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Kodachrome 27th Oct 2014 15:06

Also, the burqa protesters: one is a self-described a "race realist", one paints anti-burqa murals and the other campaigns for a White Australia.

So you're in good company

Andu 27th Oct 2014 21:00


Is there no end to the opportunistic, child-like, hypocritical rubbish coming from this witless, publicity-seeking politician?

What on earth is she doing within a bull's roar of our national parliament, let alone having any influence in it?
People should be reminded that this eternally puerile (or whatever the feminine equivalent of that word is), forever pre-adult is still in federal politics thanks only to one man - Clive Palmer.

Without Palmer's preferences, (and an imbecilic Senate preferencing system that allows voters' votes to be directed in directions the voter never intended), at the last election, the voters of South Australia would have consigned the child-woman to living off her overly generous parliamentary pension and endless perks where hopefully, she would never be heard of again.

Anthill 27th Oct 2014 22:37

Yeah, I 've been reading all that crap from the Whitlam haters in MSM about how he "ruined the economy" yak, yak, blah, de-blah, blah...the reality is that the whole world was plunged into economic chaos in 1973 by the 'Oil Crisis'. Australia suffered an inflationary period and economic slump along with the rest of the world. Whitlam had s.f.a to do with that.

What Whitlam DID do was alter the Australian social fabric to reflect the Australian cultural ethos of "A Fair Go". The Australian ruling elite never forgave him for that and concocted a whole litany of BS to attack his government. Who cares whether Cairns was 'doing' Juni Morossi? Remember Kemlani and his suitcase full of documents which turned out to be a big pile of nothing? Plus, Whitlam crossed the Yanks over the status of Pine Gap. That POS Rupert Murdoch led the charge against Gough via a New Corp smear campaign.

So, give some recognition of the valueable and lasting contribution that Whitlam made that actually was of benefit to the people of Australia:

Universities: Wouldn't it be socially useful to get the best and brightest of young Australians and give them the chance to be the leaders of tomorrow? Gough made university entrance available for academic achievers from poor families (like myself) on the criteria of ACADEMIC MERIT. We were also paid an allowance to study (TEAS- it was $5 per week less than the dole). That must have REALLY pissed off all those people who paid all that money at Newinton and PLC to find that their kids had been displaced from Sydney Law by the offspring of some lowly employee who might be working for them! Geeze, it might even have been the kid of a migrant!

Health: Medibank. A great innovation and a total reflection of the Australian helping hand attitude. Our health care system was the envy of the world. If you needed treatment, you got it. Your ability to pay was not an issue. Try going to the US and see how their system works. You are left in the waiting room until they find out your ability to pay and what assets you have. Shame how the vested interests have progressively screwed our system up, but thanks, Gough.

I could go on: Law with No-Fault divorce, social policy, environment, Industrial relations...

In comparison, what have the succession of twats that followed given the Australian people that is of any lasting benefit? Zippo! That's what! Most of our nations leaders since Gough have just sat in the chair and tinkered at the edges. As "leaders" they aren't fit to shine Gough's shoes. What lasting social legacy will that DH Abbott give to our nation? The man's a jerk. A hopeless pugilist at Uni, by all accounts who physically threaten a woman from his days in the SRC. I have nothing but total contempt for such a man. 'Shirt -front" Putin? Don't make me laugh; Putin would smack 17 different shades of shit out that nonce Abbott without raising a sweat.

If the role of the politician is to facilitate the future, then Gough excelled in his role. He changed Australian society for the better and made a ton of enemies in doing so. Naturally, these people were so pissed off that THEY weren't in charge of the country, they planned his downfall. Successive leaders on both sides of the fence have slowly dismantled many of Gough's policy innovations, either due to changing circumstances or to placate vested interests. Some of our leaders did a few good things (Keating engagement with Asia, John Button with industry policy and KRudd during the GFC), but not one. NOT ONE has measured up to Whitlam's great gifts to the Australian people. Abbott will leave politics without making any beneficial change, he is a nobody. Johnny? Who was Johnny?

CoodaShooda 27th Oct 2014 23:23


Universities: Wouldn't it be socially useful to get the best and brightest of young Australians and give them the chance to be the leaders of tomorrow? Gough made university entrance available for academic achievers from poor families (like myself) on the criteria of ACADEMIC MERIT. We were also paid an allowance to study (TEAS- it was $5 per week less than the dole).
Going by your quoted age, you were 10 at the time of the dismissal, so went to uni in the 80's?

However, the student assistance you describe was already in place under Menzies, as has been commented on previously.

Considering the content of your diatribe, I'd have to question the quality of the post-Whitlam era education you received, particularly with regard to balance and accuracy.

But I hope you feel better for having vented.

Terry Dactil 28th Oct 2014 00:17

It should be interesting in the Royal Commission today.

Ms Butera has been recalled (again).

She, Lisa Zanatta and the CEO Atkin have given sworn evidence that the phone calls they had among themselves had nothing to do with the secret transfer of documents from CBUS to the CFMEU that now seems obvious.

Oh, no. It was all quite innocent. They were just discussing the induction of a union organiser, Andrew Clark, as a CBUS employee.
All nicely co-ordinated and backing up each others story.

The only problem is that it is now apparent that Andrew Clark had already been employed and had been working in that position since 2011.

Ooops!

There should be some "gotcha" moments today.

Anthill 28th Oct 2014 00:40

Hi Cooda, I'm way older than quoted age. ;)

Definitely a Baby Boomer.

Also supplemented TEAS with Army Reserve salary. FYI, these days, I'm a paid up member of KAP.

parabellum 28th Oct 2014 00:58

Why do we have two 'ghost' pages here on this forum, any ideas? Last post I see is 15097 with pages 756 and 757 to come, but these two are ghosts :confused:

Pinky the pilot 28th Oct 2014 01:01


Why do we have two 'ghost' pages here on this forum, any ideas?
Likewise.:confused:

Anthill 28th Oct 2014 01:35

It's probably because there are posts that the mods have delegated.

Andu 28th Oct 2014 03:31


Wouldn't it be socially useful to get the best and brightest of young Australians and give them the chance to be the leaders of tomorrow? Gough made university entrance available for academic achievers from poor families (like myself) on the criteria of ACADEMIC MERIT.
Antill, I cannot let that comment pass unremarked. The Commonwealth Scholarship Scheme provided university placement for many from the working/not wealthy classes who had high enough marks from school to merit those places. What Whitlam did was to make those positions available to everyone, with no minimum marks required for too many courses.

The Commonwealth Scholarship Scheme provided positions on courses where quite clever people saw a requirement for graduates. The Whitlam provided tens of thousands if Arts graduates, far too many of whom spent their three (and all too often many more) years at university having a wonderful time (on the public purse) doing everything but actually studying.

Too many of these graduates filled positions in the Public Service - or at the very universities they studied at, or at the many new 'universities', formally tech colleges, that burgeoned under Whitlam. However, too many of these ex-tech. colleges no longer taught technical courses, but the Arts/Political programmes beloved of the Left. (Who can forget the long-running joke that was popular around campuses then (or engineering and science campuses at least) - "Q: What do Fine Arts graduates do with themselves after graduation?" A: "They teach Fine Arts."

Whitlam created a monster, a whole new class of so-called academics who have been incredibly successful at one thing and one thing only - building ever-growing empires for themselves and the graduates to live (very well) on. All too many of them could not survive (at least anywhere nearly as well) outside in the real world.

As for the rest of his 'achievements' you list, suffice to say that many of them would have been a lot more admirable if he's been able to come up with some way of paying for them rather than just printing or borrowing money to do so. Much as the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd government, in a six year 'moment' of deja vu, did.

And if you actually believe that the economic disaster of the Whitlam years was attributable only to the oil crisis, you have a very selective memory.

SOPS 28th Oct 2014 06:25

Reading articles like this makes me realise that Australia and other western countries have engaged in a huge social experiment that has gone badly wrong.

The enemy is certainly amongst us now.

Melbourne man accused of funding Islamic State refused bail | Daily Mail Online

Andu 28th Oct 2014 07:04

I had not read this linked article before I penned the post above.

News - HIGHER EDUCATION, YES! - The Pickering Post

It would seem I'm not the only one with a contrary view to the Labor luvvies of the MSM when it comes to the "achievements" of the Whitlam government in tertiary education.


Gough gave us universities full of dickheads who can now call themselves doctors and professors. Once upon a time a university education was fought for and deserved. Without excellent marks, a scholarship or doting parents prepared to go without, it was hello workforce.
Now anyone can dodge getting a job, go to uni and the taxpayer will finance you. And we wonder why our education status has slipped well below the international average.

Well Gough certainly achieved his aim because degrees in union thuggery, Marxism, political science, green pursuits, global warming and any other bloody useless subject Left of centre are now held proudly by those who make up the Labor Party... the party of the struggling "working man".
Higher education will never make a person smarter, nor will it increase any person’s IQ. It may make a person more aware of a chosen subject, most of which could be gleaned from the net but the net doesn’t offer fair dinkum doctorates.

Left wing law firms, like Slater & Gordon and Maurice Blackburn, soak up the rubbish with law degrees, like Shorten, Bandt, Roxon and Gillard... all utterly unemployable outside the Labor fraternity and all locked into a Marxist philosophy of new world egalitarianism.

Those who can’t enter the Labor movement return to uni as lecturers to recycle the same garbage that made them unemployable in the first place. And the uni lecturers I know couldn’t teach a bloody fish to swim anyway.
Some of the comments following the article are even more entertaining than the article itself.

Anthill 28th Oct 2014 07:14

Andu, there are areas where I disagree : I will explain.

First, we didn't all do Arts. I studied Science. I had school friends who did Law, Medicine, Engineering, to name a few. I was also the recipient of government support in the final 2 years of high school as I was 'lucky' enough to be sufficiently poor.

The problem with scholarship schemes for the poor is that the benefctors have limited funds and thus, by necessity, operate to a quota. The result is that impoverished, yet talented, students face stiffer competition from others in similar circumstance. This means that the entrance scores for scholarship winners into say, Medicine or Law is much, much higher that for those whose Mummy and Daddy can buy their way in.

What ai am saying is that an impoverished student who wants to study Medicine may have needed a score of 400+ to study Medicine, whereas someone from Xavier whose parents could pay the fees would have gained entry with a score of 330. This means that a poor kid with greater academic merit on a score of, say 390, would miss out. I suppose such a kid could try again for a different scholarship or do a trade. :bored:


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