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Traffic_Is_Er_Was 26th Oct 2014 12:17


unpalatable measures might need to be applied to fellow citizens living amongst us who are openly supporting the people who have declared war on us
And if they are openly supporting them then I have no problem with that, but if you apply those unpalatable measures across a whole section of our community, irrespective of their actions or feelings, my bet is you will find a whole lot more in that group start to think that maybe the other guys aren't that far off the mark after all.

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 26th Oct 2014 12:32

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/250x250/55470513.jpg

Happy now?

Hempy 26th Oct 2014 12:35

Not really, Kitchener was actually cross-eyed....They fixed that, though, with a little disinformation. Sound familiar?

Fool Sufferer 26th Oct 2014 16:30

Describing Hitler as a "left wing socialist" must surely take the prize as the most comically stupid and pig-ignorant contribution thus far to this twee crypto-fascist echo chamber, despite such robust competition.

Giving voice to such profound ignorance almost enables 7x7's vicious paranoid frothings to appear semi-lucid in comparison, quite an achievement in itself.

rh200 26th Oct 2014 21:18


PhD thesis or something on that topic, you'll change the thinking of historians and political theorists the world over!!!
How do you know I havn't? As for political theorists and historians, well their only a building or two away and frankly considering the majority's political leanings its no wonder things are written that way.


Describing Hitler as a "left wing socialist" must surely take the prize as the most comically stupid and pig-ignorant contribution thus far to this twee crypto-fascist echo chamber, despite such robust competition.
The description of whats left and white is a cluster f$%k. The association of the so called right with brutal facisim etc has been traditional. This myth has been perpetuated by the left for decades, a classic case of telling the populace enough times and they will believe it. A MO that is well versed by socialists.

The fact is Hitler was a stated socialist, a lefty, and even if we accepted him on our side, he pales in comparison to what the Chinese and Soviets did, which are generally regarded as left.

Andu 26th Oct 2014 21:37

Jihadist?s passports: exile or keep them here?

A point of view that Fool Sufferer would not agree with.

chuboy 26th Oct 2014 21:54


Originally Posted by Fool Sufferer (Post 8714898)
Describing Hitler as a "left wing socialist" must surely take the prize as the most comically stupid and pig-ignorant contribution thus far to this twee crypto-fascist echo chamber, despite such robust competition.

+1 oh dear

There used to be some interesting semi-political discussion in this thread. I've all but stopped reading now that every second post is just a more hysterical Muslim-related outburst than the last. Of course that's culminated in the suggestion that all Muslims should be placed in internment camps or exported out of Australia for the duration of the war against ISIS :hmm:


Originally Posted by rh200 (Post 8715249)
The description of whats left and white is a cluster f$%k.

The most beautiful Freudian slip I've read for some time ;)


The fact is Hitler was a stated socialist, a lefty, and even if we accepted him on our side, he pales in comparison to what the Chinese and Soviets did, which are generally regarded as left.
None of these are facts. Hitler was not left-wing, nothing he did falls under the definition of a left-wing policy.

The only thing you have said that closely resembles a fact was that Hitler was a socialist, which is only true insofar as you treat the notion of a socialism as something which has itself evolved over time. The very much right-wing, Prussian Socialism of the Nazi Party is not the same socialism as the one which people refer to when they complain about the government paying for the people's healthcare.

Of course at this point I don't know what anyone could possibly say to change your opinion on this matter since it is so far-removed from the truth, the fact that you would even entertain the idea suggests you possess a completely distorted view of reality - or perhaps, that you yourself are so extremely right-wing that even Hitler lies to the left of your political sensibilities :suspect:

Nevertheless, only a few posts back I'm sure I glanced at a post bemoaning the fact that Sarah Hanson-Young and Christine Milne, two notorious socialist lefties (at least to this echo-chamber's participants) would not approve of any action against "our common enemy", aka the Muslim. Surely if Hitler's actions were considered left-wing and socialist, a similar plan to turn the western suburbs into a concentration camp wouldn't be so hard for the Greens to swallow? :ok:

Captain Sand Dune 26th Oct 2014 23:44


The description of whats left and white is a cluster f$%k.
Mate, you are never going to live that one down around here!
But seriously folks, the ad hominem train appears to have rolled into town again with the usual suspects on board. Don’t give ‘em the satisfaction of shutting down another thread on Australian politics.

Captain Sand Dune 27th Oct 2014 00:57

Funny as. These guys had the guts to act out what the majority are thinking. Occurred this morning.

ON THE one week anniversary of the dumping of the federal Parliament’s burqa-ban, three men in costumes have attempted to enter Parliament dressed in various controversial garb. The costumes include a KKK hood, niqab and a helmet. The three men from the group ‘Faceless’ said they wanted to see the burqa and all facial coverings banned.
Just a week after the burqa ban was overturned, the trio had to identify themselves to security.
“It’s fantastic that we were not allowed in,” one of them said, praising security. Another man wearing a burqa was also allowed to enter.
According to 2GB reporter Stephanie Borys, who is at the scene, the three men were asked to take their coverings off. When they did, a black headress was revealed underneath.
A large security presence, including AFP officers and parliament security have reportedly handled it well.
The three men allegedly plan to target a bank next.
When asked how it would make Muslim women feel, they said they “couldn’t care less”, and wanted all burqas banned, full stop. “It seems that you’re allowed to wear a full face covering into Parliament if you’re a Muslim woman but no other group is allowed to have that same privilege,” Sergio Redegalli said, wearing the KKK outfit.
Their head coverings were confiscated by security and handed back on departure.
The next time another group is asked to identify themselves at a security point “it may be too late,” he added. “They’re already in Parliament.
“No one should be walking up the public forecourt or in the public domain hidden from sight.”
The burqa should be banned for security and cultural reasons, the group argued.
After passing security and entering the Marble Foyer of Parliament House the trio left.
“The reason we didn’t go any further was there is a memorial for Gough Whitlam. “The last thing we wanted to do was to interrupt that, there’s just certain things you don’t cross.” Mr Redegalli said he has always been a voting Liberal.
“They’re going to choke in there when they hear that.”

Ethel the Aardvark 27th Oct 2014 01:02

Don't go getting all paranoid now Capt'n
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjV75CJIcAAKswI.jpg:large
Silencing dissent and the mastery of fear

Hempy 27th Oct 2014 01:14


Originally Posted by rh200
How do you know I havn't

Mate, the fact that you don't know the simple difference between there, they're and their sort of gives it away tbh

owen meaney 27th Oct 2014 02:25

Well done Ethel, confusing fear with dislike.
I do not fear the muslims at all, I am wary to the extreme and do not trust them to conform to the rules of Australian society
And again with the Independent of thought weblog.

Takan Inchovit 27th Oct 2014 05:42

Ethel, that would be a great sign to put in the ground outside your local mosque. Take a photo for us when you're done. :ok:

I see it takes a Fool to start the personal attacks.

Andu 27th Oct 2014 05:59

Labor's immigration spokesman Richard Marles has suggested that a Labor government "might" continue the Liberal government's policy of turning back the boats "if Indonesia is agreeable to it" - and the Left side of the Labor Party screams, predictably, that there is no way they could ever support such a policy.

If Labor wins any future election, a fleet of boats laden to the gunnels with hopeful country shoppers will be enroute to Australia with days, testing the resolve of the new government - a resolve the people smugglers KNOW that any Labor government will not have. You could put money on it.

Ethel? Comments?

Captain Sand Dune 27th Oct 2014 07:04

Don't argue with a fool; others may not be able to tell the difference!:}

rh200 27th Oct 2014 08:18


Mate, you are never going to live that one down around here!
care factor ZERO:ok:. Thought it was funny myself.:p


Mate, the fact that you don't know the simple difference between there, they're and their sort of gives it away tbh
Well, as having been associated with academia for the last 10 or more years, I can say punctuation and English literacy requirements are just as bad as the well known maths skills shortage for entry. Another sad side effect of the warm and fuzzy education system we have.:( Or in my case a bonus:p.

As for PHD's, well what Wheaties packets.

Ethel the Aardvark 27th Oct 2014 08:42

There have been two Senate inquiries into the stories of people smugglers, after children as young as 13 were found to be gaoled in adult prisons in Western Australia. Not one expert agreed with the Government position that seeking asylum had anything to do with people smuggling, because it is legal to cross borders without papers for the purposes of seeking asylum, even under Australian law.
When it is illegal I might agree with you! Nah probabley not.

SOPS 27th Oct 2014 08:57

I think you are meant to stop crossing borders when you get to the first place you can claim asylum. Not just keep going until you get to the one with the best welfare.

owen meaney 27th Oct 2014 09:13

The "boat people" are a complicated issue, as SOPs has pointed out the latest seem to be country shopping, rather than refugees in the sense that the Vietnamese were.

Ethel, in Australia we JAIL people, not Gaol them.
BTW, the smugglers went to JAIL, the country shoppers were held in detention.

Ethel Hempy and Fool have you volunteered to house any of the third world peasants at your place?

Takan Inchovit 27th Oct 2014 09:26

Starting to look like the financial mess Gillard, Swan, Rudd, Wong and Shorten et al left us with, is putting pressure on the GST cap :hmm:.


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