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7x7 23rd Oct 2014 02:26

It's beyond redemption. From the Andrew Bolt blog:

ABC TV News last night ran a special on Gough Whitlam. Reporter Rebecca Barrett visited North Sydney Girls High to get the reaction of students who had studied Gough Whitlam.

This is what one female student said about Gough Whitlam’s legacy – which the ABC reporter, producer and editor saw fit to put to air.

North Sydney Girls High Student: “As a woman coming into my eighteenth year, the fact that women were able to get the vote during Gough Whitlam’s reign …”

Note that last word - "reign". At least she got that right.

Pinky the pilot 23rd Oct 2014 06:39

7x7; And we are still reading and hearing that Gough 'ended the White Australia Policy and got the troops out of Vietnam...'

Neither of which is true!:ugh::mad:

Kodachrome 23rd Oct 2014 06:58

Wow, Andrew Bolt wrote something unbalanced and derogatory! Stop the presses!

Andu 23rd Oct 2014 09:19

My guess would be that the school girl who made that statement about Whitlam giving women the vote got an 'A+' for her HSC Australian history exam.

Winston Smith is alive and well in modern day Australia - and George bloody Orwell was a prophet up there alongside Nostradamus.

david1300 23rd Oct 2014 10:59

Andy - your post above on nursing :D:D.

Ethel the Aardvark 23rd Oct 2014 14:45

It may not of been women's right to vote but a lot of women's equal opportunities were instigated.
A lot of Whitlam's policys still stand today apart from free education. Must of made good sense if they have not been repealed.
I heard on the ABC news was that he removed the last of the Viet nam contingent which is apparently true!

RJM 23rd Oct 2014 17:03

Yes, there were a few advisers etc left, but the aircraft came back with empty seats while Vietnamese who had been loyal and helpful to Australia were left to make their peace with the advancing North Vietnamese army. Whitlam had said he didn't want 'those f..cking Vietnamese Balts' coming to Australia. So the Great Man was not all compassion and love.

rh200 23rd Oct 2014 21:38


Whitlam had said he didn't want 'those f..cking Vietnamese Balts' coming to Australia. So the Great Man was not all compassion and love.
Of course not, they took up arms to help "capitalist pigs" against the honorable communist/ socialist hero. When your having grandiose dreams of being a Aussie Stalin you can't go importing potential enemys.

7x7 23rd Oct 2014 22:06

Ethel, I don't know why I bother, but I'm going to put on both my pedant's hat and my historian's hat and pick your last post to pieces, proving, to myself at least, that you are a product of the Whitlam "educshashyon reforms" in so many ways . Here goes.

Your post:

It may not of been women's right to vote but a lot of women's equal opportunities were instigated.
A lot of Whitlam's policys still stand today apart from free education. Must of made good sense if they have not been repealed.
I heard on the ABC news was that he removed the last of the Viet nam contingent which is apparently true!


It may not HAVE been women's right to vote but a lot of women's equal opportunities were instigated.
A lot of Whitlam's policIES still stand today apart from free education. Must HAVE made good sense if they have not been repealed.
I heard on the ABC news was that he removed the last of the Viet Nam contingent which is apparently true!
If you are, as many here suspect, a Labor Pardee staffer tasked with trolling this site, I'm assuming you are a graduate from one of the "wunnerful" tertiary institutions that have flourished under and after the Whitlam "educshashyon" reforms, and the fact that you make the grammatical mistakes that I have highlighted in your post above says everything about what those "reforms" have done to the standard of "educshashyon" now on offer to our younger generations.

Now to don my historian's hat: The AATV had been pulled in from the remote villages where they worked and had gathered at Vung Tau (in what had until 12 months earlier been the main Australian logistics base) and were going through the mundane, must-be-done tasks every military unit must complete before returning to Australia. Their pull out was already scheduled - by the previous Liberal government - for about two weeks after the election, so their return can hardly be attributed to Whitlam - (except, of course, in Leftieworld).

The embassy guard remained until the embassy staff withdrew just before the NORTH Vietnamese T54s rolled into Saigon in April 1975. (So you're technically correct, Ethel - Whitlam did in fact withdraw the last Australian troops from Vietnam.) And as someone has said before me, Whitlam, unbelievably, went out of his way to ensure that the Vietnamese staff who had worked for our embassy were not brought out, knowing full well the fate that awaited them.

Given the deep knowledge of history you continue to display in your posts, do you have any idea what Whitlam was referring to when he called those loyal Vietnamese "Balts"? For a Loborite, it was a deep insult. Do you understand why? And do you understand the insult it implied to an earlier generation of by then assimilated "New Australians"?

megan 23rd Oct 2014 22:59

A repeat of my post #14987. Do pay attention Ethel you dingbat.

listening to 774 lauding God for bringing the troops home from Vietnam. Don't they have a calendar? It started 18 months before his election, and by the time he got into government only about 120 remained, the embassy guard, and a few Army Training Team (AATTV) who arrived home on 18 December 1972, just 13 days after God took power.

Email sent to John Faine and 774 with a reply requested, wonder if they will.

Tackled Phillip Adams on this question years ago and he claimed to have no knowledge of this piece of mythology being put about. Yer, right.

On the 2 December 1973 God issued a statement of their achievements in the first year of office, one of which was, "We have withdrawn the last remnants of our unhappy "presence" in Vietnam". Certainly delusional if he thinks closing the embassy counted for anything, which is all he did re Vietnam, and refused evacuation of the Vietnamese who worked in the embassy, left to their lot in the re-education camps.

Pinky the pilot 24th Oct 2014 00:01

And as for the comment made by the North Sydney Girl's High student; Well I actually pity her in a way. By now surely, someone will have pointed out to her the error and she may be feeling somewhat embarrassed!

However, what is really appalling is the obvious fact that if indeed she and her fellow students have been studying the Whitlam era then some Teacher has been using an extremely flawed syllabus!

Now I wonder who compiled the syllabus? And what else of it is incorrect?

I suspect most if not all of it.:ugh:


and by the time he got into government only about 120 remained,
According to the excellent book VIETNAM The Australian War by Paul Ham the exact number was 128. (Page 586)

7x7 24th Oct 2014 00:09

Yes, Pinky. She'll probably score an A+ in her HSC Australian History paper. Using Dr Goebbels's tried and true dictum, the Left, which now dominates our academia, know that if you repeat the lie often enough, it will become the Truth.

They've damn near achieved that already.

Someone has already made the point elsewhere that 30 years from now, we'll be hearing the same kind of arrant nonsense from the media and academia about the Rudd/Gillard years as we're currently being fed about the disaster that was Gough Whitlam.

Saltie 24th Oct 2014 02:21

I see that Ms Zanatta, who admitted perjuring herself for her bosses at the Royal Commission, has been sacked.

Police charges to follow? I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that.

reynoldsno1 24th Oct 2014 02:49


Nursing was once the ticket out of a small country town for girls
...strangely, r1jr moved across the Tasman about 5 years ago and has ended up in a small country town in WA and has worked as a medical receptionist/nursing assistant for the past 2 years. She has been unable to get a place on a SEN course so far, but seems to be reasonably paid. She takes bloods, administers employment medicals and has just competed an audiology testing course. She left school at 17 with basic qualifications, but has never been out of work ... looking forward to visiting her at Xmas :ok:

bosnich71 24th Oct 2014 04:50

Andu,ref. your piece about nurse training etc. could have been written by my wife who had 40 years of nursing and obviously did her training the 'old way'. Incidentally her training included her running a ward, on her own, before graduation both in Q.A.R.A.N.C. and civilian hospitals.

Andu 24th Oct 2014 05:57

bos, the reason your wife could have written it that I was repeating almost verbatim what MY wife has said repeatedly to me over the years. Before she gave it away, she was a charge sister running a large mid. unit. Today, without a degree, even if she was current, she couldn't even get a nursing job in a country hospital. When I was admitted to hospital last year, only with extreme difficulty did she resist taking over from the graduate nurse who did not know how to apply a *** bandage.

It's not that the young ones are of any less quality or commitment than the old hospital trained nurses. They just haven't been given the hands on training.

Solid Rust Twotter 24th Oct 2014 06:46

A cousin emigrated to Oz a couple of years ago, now resident in Brizzy. She's a well qualified nursing sister and tells me she had hospitals and other medical places calling her before she left SA in order to recruit her. If there's such a shortage, wouldn't the wise course be to put in place a low level training program with upgrade levels to be gained on the job for higher qualification?


Oh, right...

Like they used to.:}

Andu 24th Oct 2014 07:08

SRT, that would undermine the empire the academics have built for themselves. The admin. bullshit (the only word that fits) that NUMs (Nursing Unit Managers - the new name for Matrons) have to put up today is so time-consuming and frustrating that many senior nurses simply refuse to do it. So you end up with nurses who should be leading being spear carriers and less experienced nurses occupying the senior positions.

There is also the elephant in the room of the huge number of overseas-trained nurses in our public hospital system. To say that their standard - not to mention the English language skills of too many of them - is variable is the understatement of all time. If we were to even dip a toe into that separate can of worms, the Political Correctness Police would have a case of apoplexy that would put Sarah Hanson-twotoomanydads at her best in the shade.

parabellum 24th Oct 2014 07:50

In church last Sunday, George hearda sweet elderly lady in the pew next to
me saying a prayer.

It was so innocent and sincere that George just had to share itwith us:

"Dear Lord: The past year has been very tough for me.

You have taken ...
My favourite actor - James Garner;
My favourite actress - Lauren Bacall;...

My favourite comedian - Robin Williams;

And finally, my favourite author -Tom Clancy.

I just wanted you to know that my favourite politicians are -

Bill Shorten, Christine Milne, Sarah Hanson-Young and Clive Palmer.

Amen!"

bosnich71 24th Oct 2014 09:23

Andu ... couldn't have said it better.


SRT .. it wasn't only the new nurses who were expected to do a degree but also those who had been nursing for years were also overlooked for promotion if they did not go to "University" to get the qualifications with which to do the job that they had been doing quite well for donkey's years. Which is how some hospitals are now run by those without a lot of experience but who do have a bit of paper.


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