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SOPS 13th Aug 2014 15:21

I never ever ever thought I would think like this....but I just watched the Insight programme via Internet...

The AFP should have been there to make arrests,

And I know there will be innocent casualties, but I think it's time to drop a can of instant sunshine on the IS.

I never thought I would think like this, but I do now.

500N 13th Aug 2014 15:27

SOPS

I have gone off Instant sunshine, too much legacy left for years.

I think some sort of DU or something that spreads Radiation to the recipients but not much further.
Like somehow irradiate their vehicles.

Pick something with a shortish half life.


Re the 19 year old, he should have been allowed to leave the country
and then his passport cancelled and not allowed back in, ever.
Now we are stuck with him.

500N 13th Aug 2014 15:35

Well, at last, someone has the balls to do something.

WELFARE payments to more than a dozen suspected jihadists have been axed to stop Australian taxpayers’ money being used to finance terrorist outrages in Iraq and Syria.

“The Abbott Government has already cancelled welfare payments for a number of individuals who are overseas,” a spokesman for Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews told the Herald Sun.


“The Abbott Government is committed to ensuring Australians engaged in terrorist activities are not receiving taxpayer-funded payments.”

SOPS 13th Aug 2014 15:43

500N ....I was just thinking of a quick way to stop these loonies. They seem to think they are about to take over the world. I just watched some f$$$ed up 19 year old, with his lawyer ( who according to reports is a candidate for Clive Palmers party) suggest that the IS way of thinking is the best for the world.

There were also Skype interviews from a few of his mates that suggested the same.

At the end of the Second World War, America chose not to invade Japan, because of the cost of lives....the chose, for the only time in history, to drop a nuke.

I am now, and I can't believe this, thinking the same. Putting boots on the ground will result in many casualties and deaths,

These people have declared they want to take over the world.....and drive us all to AD 2.....it's time for a can of sunshine.

As I said before, I never thought I would say it...but I have.

500N 13th Aug 2014 15:51

SOPS

Time for the ? Neutron Bomb ? to be brought back into service ?
(I think that is the one that kills people but leaves buildings intact
and the radiation has a short life).

500N 13th Aug 2014 21:03

I do wonder if some of these do gooders don't use the "in the news" disasters to raise their profile.

And yet on the Front page of the Age, another article about the forgotten disaster, Sudan and 50,000 children could die (bottom link).

This article was well inside the Age
Australia could take 4000 Iraqi and Syrian refugees as church leaders urge Abbott government protection for Christians

South Sudan pushed to the brink by war and hunger

500N 13th Aug 2014 23:15

PC gone OTT ?

The earlier articles (yesterday) about Neville Wrans daughter had a photo of her.

Now all the photos of her have blurred faces yet still name her so of course
anyone can look her up on the 'net !

PC gone mad or another reason ?

Neville Wran's daughter Harriet Wran charged with murder of Redfern drug dealer

John Eacott 13th Aug 2014 23:49

Oh joy: wouldn't it be the biter bit if this use of 18C traps Mr Carlton ROFL

18C used to sue Mike Carlton for racial vilification


THE controversial 18C provisions of the Racial Discrimination Act will be used in a complaint against The Sydney Morning Herald over its anti-*Semitic cartoon and the accompanying article by former columnist, Mike Carlton.

A Sydney engineer, Wayne Karlen, 60, has lodged a complaint with the Australian Human Rights Commission *arguing the publication of the cartoon and column caused offence to Australian Jews.

Mr Karlen also referenced the subsequent abuse of readers by Carlton, stating in the complaint that The Sydney Morning Herald has committed an unlawful act within the meaning of the Racial Discrimination Act.

“This cartoon racially vilifies Jews and the similarity to Nazi propaganda compounds the distress to those of us that had relatives fight and die in WWII,’’ he said. “The absence of a strong formal censure for publishing this racist and offensive material conveys an appearance of official acceptance of same.”

Mr Karlen, who is not Jewish, said he decided to lodge the complaint on Tuesday after the ABC’s Media Watch defended the cartoon and Carlton the night before.

“The suggestion by the public broadcaster and others that this cartoon is acceptable must be refuted in the strongest terms and those responsible for its dissemination must be held responsible,’’ he said. “The publication of this cartoon has caused offence to and racially vilifies Jews and was done to portray Jews as murderers of men, women and children for entertainment. The publication of this cartoon has caused intimidation and contributed to the Jewish community becoming afraid for their safety living in Australia and has offended their friends and supporters.”

In addition to Mr Karlen, The Australian understands at least one member of the Jewish community has also lodged a complaint with the commission under section 18C, although Jewish *organisations have stated they will not be taking similar action in light of the Herald’s apology.

Mr Karlen suggests the Herald should *be publicly censured and receive a “significant fine” that could be donated to an accredited Jewish charity.

Carlton resigned after Fairfax moved to suspend him when emails and tweets surfaced showing his repeated abuse of readers using inappropriate language.

Section 18C of the act makes it unlawful anything that is reasonably likely to offend, insult, humiliate or intimated groups of people on the grounds of race, ethnicity or national origin.

The Herald’s editorial position supported the retention of 18C, and many columnists were also sympathetic to its cause.


Quoted in full to help those who meet the paywall limitations of the linked site


Section 18C:


RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ACT 1975 - SECT 18C

Offensive behaviour because of race, colour or national or ethnic origin

(1) It is unlawful for a person to do an act, otherwise than in private, if:

(a) the act is reasonably likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people; and

(b) the act is done because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the other person or of some or all of the people in the group.

Note: Subsection (1) makes certain acts unlawful. Section 46P of the Australian Human Rights Commission Act 1986 allows people to make complaints to the Australian Human Rights Commission about unlawful acts. However, an unlawful act is not necessarily a criminal offence. Section 26 says that this Act does not make it an offence to do an act that is unlawful because of this Part, unless Part IV expressly says that the act is an offence.

(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), an act is taken not to be done in private if it:

(a) causes words, sounds, images or writing to be communicated to the public; or

(b) is done in a public place; or

(c) is done in the sight or hearing of people who are in a public place.

(3) In this section:

"public place" includes any place to which the public have access as of right or by invitation, whether express or implied and whether or not a charge is made for admission to the place.

Brian Abraham 14th Aug 2014 00:45

John, I'm offended that Wayne Karlen is offended. How much do you think I can get?

gupta 14th Aug 2014 02:41

I'm delighted that the uber-lefties are having their own sanctimonious legislation coming back to bite them. Carlton seems to be behaving like an animal chained out in the sun, frothing at the mouth & trying to chew anyone who comes near.

Ethel the Aardvark 14th Aug 2014 08:14

For the record the so called terrible cartoon was drawn from the photo of Israelis sitting and cheering the bombing from a nearby Gaza hill. Quite a good general likeness.
Listening to Carlton on the radio he was disappointed in himself reacting poorly to the organised minority of hate mail he received.
The lefty media watch had a good segment last Monday
Media Watch: Bullying, abuse and free speech (11/08/2014)
I think you need an alternative to Smith and Bolt!

500N 14th Aug 2014 08:21


I think you need an alternative to Smith and Bolt!
So now we are trading Right and Left wing blogs at 50 paces ????? :p

Worrals in the wilds 14th Aug 2014 13:28


PC gone mad or another reason ?
IIRC, now she's been charged her face can't be published wrt the story. The same thing happened when Jill Meagher's murderer was charged; prior to charges being laid the media were free to publish photographs of him as a suspect but once the charges were laid they had to blur the images, so they could not be accused of perverting the course of justice.

To me it seems a bit artificial (since we've all seen the pictures already) but as I understand it that's the current interpretation of the law. Once someone is charged they cannot be pictured in the media, lest it influence the jury's decision.

I stand ready to be corrected on this because I'm not sure that I'm right :}. However, what I do know is that there's a point where a suspect becomes the accused, and IIRC that's the point where the media have to stop identifying them by name or face so the eventual jury can consider the facts without media prejudice. Supposedly. :hmm:
From memory that's the theory, even if it's completely unworkable in real life.


Listening to Carlton on the radio he was disappointed in himself reacting poorly to the organised minority of hate mail he received.
So he should be. A professional journalist who sets himself up as a controversial commentator should be ready and willing to be sledged, by both rational commentators and deadset nutters. He breached rule one; Ignore The Trolls.

500N 14th Aug 2014 13:32

Worrals

Thanks.

I vaguely remember something along those lines being mentioned in the past but more to do with naming them and Derryn Hinch, which of course he went to jail for. I think they were sex offenders.


Edit
Wouldn't you know it, I go to the SMH and smack back at the top of the page,
a nice photo of Harriet Wran, unblurred !!!

Worrals in the wilds 14th Aug 2014 23:50

Up here during the Doctor Patel murder trial, the newspapers published picture but the TV networks blurred them out. :confused:

parabellum 15th Aug 2014 01:16

They don't seem to apply quite the same severity level of sub judice here in Australia as is applied in the UK, very strict there.


Also saw a young reporter on Sky, (I think), telling everyone that in the UK the offender could have his/her previous record used in evidence during the prosecution, unlike Australia. Absolutely not so, the only time the offenders record is revealed is after/if they have been found guilty and the sentence is being considered, one of the court officials used to and possibly still does, pass him the details.

bosnich71 15th Aug 2014 04:47

Doesn't it all fall under the rule of "Sub Judice" once someone is charged. Used to in U.K. at least it did years ago.

Andu 15th Aug 2014 05:17

The poor girl started life at a disadvantage with a moniker like that. WTF were Nifty and Jill thinking giving a child a name like that in this day and age? What's her middle name? Gladys?

Back into serious mode, I think children born into high profile families are 'blessed'(!) with a two-edged sword. While there are certainly advantages to being born into money and fame, there's quite obviously a downside to it as well, particularly if the parents are more absent than on the scene during the child's formative years. Sadly, for the children of politicians, that's almost a given (at least for the politician who is the parent).

I knew the daughter of another high profile federal politician quite well some years ago. She'd attended all the right schools and had been given chances many of her peers would never see, but she was not a happy camper (to put it mildly) and I saw she made the news some years later in a nasty family fight over who would get what share of her dead father's estate.

Looking for a bright side to the likely size of my estate when I go, that's one problem my kids are unlikely to have!

Now to a completely different topic, am I the only one who is REALLY enjoying the last few days, which seem to have been Sarah Hanson-Young-free? Or has she been on and I've just been lucky in missing her unique, simplistic views of national events?

SOPS 15th Aug 2014 05:47

Andu.....there has been no boats on the horizon, so SHY has been quiet. She can't string more than 3 words together on any other subject, so she stays in the back ground, thank goodness!

parabellum 15th Aug 2014 07:28

SHY was on Sky yesterday morning, she is absolutely aghast at the plight of the people stuck on a mountain in Northern Iraq, (definitely a very serious matter),but is 'insisting' that, in addition to the 4000 refugees we take each year Tony Abbott 'must' immediately accept 5000 people straight off the mountain. I'm sure there are parts of Australia where these unfortunate people would be more or less at home, (West Sydney? ;)) but I don't really think they would thank Australia for bringing them here where they would be like fish out of water.


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